TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:39 pm

Russzilla wrote:The next time you watch Hedorah, watch this part and tell me how cool (or not cool) it is to see Hedorah do that cool "Hedorah Walk." I wish I could gif that scene.


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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Russzilla » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:29 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
Russzilla wrote:The next time you watch Hedorah, watch this part and tell me how cool (or not cool) it is to see Hedorah do that cool "Hedorah Walk." I wish I could gif that scene.


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Actually, it was earlier than that when he and Godzilla were walking towards each other. At the 53:53 mark for two or three seconds. When you see it, you'll know what i'm talking about.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Arislan » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:07 am

I just finished rewatching this after several years.

Oh wow what the heck was this movie?

I'm actually a bit speechless. The direction is so...hmm...psychedelics-influenced. Did the director eat some Matango shrooms before shooting this?

It's probably the most "free" Godzilla movie in terms of direction. When you least expect it, there's some Peter Max-type cartoons or visuals that just seem so odd.

Hedorah was good at giving Godzilla a hard time. It was an interesting monster.

The Godzilla suit was alright but I didn't like how salient the suit actor's face was, pressed against Godzilla's neck.

Could easily have been called "Andy Warhol's Godzilla".
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Dr Kain » Tue Jan 07, 2014 4:36 pm

This is one of those Godzilla movies that I need to be in the mood for to be able to enjoy it, so sometimes my opinions of this movie might change just slightly. This viewing was one of those times, as I felt the movie had a stronger presence than it has for me in the past, but that really does not make it that good of a movie. Of course, this movie must be a child’s favorite, as there are so many poop jokes a kid could make with this thing. There is even a moment when Godzilla is literally throwing crap around.

The plot of the movie can easily be summed up in one sentence, “If you don’t clean out your pool, you don’t know what might show up.” That is pretty much the entire story. Tadpole-like monsters from outer space show up on Earth, devouring as much pollution as they can and growing in the process. There is an underlying theme to the movie to show why it is bad to pollute the Earth, and it does a decent job of showing it, even if it is completely unrealistic. Of course, this is a Godzilla movie, and who needs realism, especially when you have a monstrous nuclear dinosaur for a super hero to save the day. Seriously, the threat of Godzilla’s presence might have been meandered throughout the last few movies, but here it is pretty much gone. Godzilla has now become a joke that is summoned by boy’s shine to save Japan from a giant walking, flying piece of crap. The movie gets worse as the military is portrayed as fully incompetent here, which I really find insulting. Gone are the days when the military would gear up at any word of a possible monster attack and instead we get a military that tells people on the phone that a giant monster is a sea creature so it could not be possible for it to be attacking on land. Adding salt to the wound is the fact that Godzilla pretty much has to do their job for them at the very end of the movie as the soldiers are not able to finish their electric wall reflector in time to stop Hedorah, so Godzilla has to use his breath attack to get it to work. One of the most cringe inducing moments also occur here as Godzilla uses his breath attack to fly through the sky in order to stop Hedorah from escaping. It is really bad. Another thing I do not like about this movie is I feel the anime scenes are dumb, they disrupt the pacing of the movie and there is a needless amount of exposition about Hedorah. They make it feel like the movie is five or ten minutes longer than it needed to be because of these. They do nothing to add to the story.

The characters of the movie are no better though. There is nothing wrong with the Yano family in general, but they are superfluous characters. Hedorah is this vicious monster that will unintentionally kill anyone, but this trio seems to be immune to his poisons. Sure, Dr. Toru is injured, but the worst atrocities are centered on his wife, Toshio, and their son Ken. Toshio is out with her exercise class at one point in the movie and Hedorah flies right over them, and they all just cough and run inside. However, not even two minutes later, the moment Hedorah flies over people, they disintegrate. Ken manages to escape being harmed several times throughout the movie, as he always seems to be in the right position to not get killed. For example, at the end of the movie, he is with a bunch of party goers who have the party crashed by Hedorah and every one of them dies outside of Ken and this woman named Miki he had been hanging around with. How they just manage to escape death is beyond me, but they seemed quite untouchable here. Even when Ken goes to crap a piece of wood out of a burning fire, Hedorah only shoots the fire and not the duo even though he was just flinging poop everywhere.

Now in a positive manner, the designs for Hedorah are actually pretty nicely done. Godzilla retains the silly, out of place look he had in the previous two movies, but the costumes for Hedorah look great. Each form is different while combining the overall theme the monster represents. He is a walking piece of garbage, but it is also that design that does make him stand out from the likes of Godzilla’s previous enemies. In the last few movies, Godzilla went on to battle giant mantises, spiders, lobsters, and even a recycled villain. Here, we have something original and it works. I’m just not sure about the execution the movie used to bring us this monster. I do like the connection Hedorah has with the next movie in the series though, as it at least makes some sort of sense of what the entire Nebula M52 is that was just randomly shown to us here. The effects are okay, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around what the heck it was Godzilla pulled out of Hedorah at the end of the movie. Were those balls supposed to be nuclei?

Overall, this movie is average. It isn’t the worst of the series, but it is not even close to being the best. It does have some great moments that are sullied by a terrible score (probably the worst Godzilla theme in the history of the franchise) and the whole super hero aspect is insulting to the Godzilla character (that flying scene, oh god). However, the movie does a good job of conveying it’s do not pollute message, even if it is poorly executed in the long run. I’m going to give this movie a 4/10 as it does some good things, but it also has to follow those positives with two or three negatives at every turn.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby ILL GREEN » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:49 pm

It was actually made for the stoners, Banno is kinda like Suda 51 of movies.

Other than that, I thought it was great, Godzilla battles Hedorah on several moments unlike his other films where they fight once or twice.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:41 pm

The '70s as a whole has pretty long fight scenes. It's almost like with the lower budgets they wanted to film the hell out of the stuff they did have!
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Dr Kain » Wed Jan 08, 2014 1:28 am

lhb412 wrote:The '70s as a whole has pretty long fight scenes. It's almost like with the lower budgets they wanted to film the hell out of the stuff they did have!


Too bad they don't have a good soundtrack to go with the fights in this movie.

But hey, at least Godzilla's costume is not falling apart on screen.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:29 am

Dr Kain wrote:The effects are okay, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around what the heck it was Godzilla pulled out of Hedorah at the end of the movie. Were those balls supposed to be nuclei?

For a long time, most fans thought they were eggs of some sort.
Recently, Banno said they were eyes.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Dr Kain » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:51 am

jellydonut25 wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:The effects are okay, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around what the heck it was Godzilla pulled out of Hedorah at the end of the movie. Were those balls supposed to be nuclei?

For a long time, most fans thought they were eggs of some sort.
Recently, Banno said they were eyes.


See, when I was a kid, I thought they were eyes, but then a few years ago I realized Hedorah still had his eyes when he flew away.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Jan 08, 2014 12:37 pm

I love the soundtrack to this movie. It's so plodding and weird, and it suits the movie perfectly.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby ILL GREEN » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:31 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:I love the soundtrack to this movie. It's so plodding and weird, and it suits the movie perfectly.

Most definitely, minus that annoying trumpet going vibrato, I dig the murky tadpole vibes.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Dr Kain » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:27 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:I love the soundtrack to this movie. It's so plodding and weird, and it suits the movie perfectly.


Yeah, I just cannot get into it. Not all of it is bad, but the Godzilla theme is atrocious. This movie really could have used Ifukube's theme.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Russzilla » Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:32 pm

Dr Kain wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:I love the soundtrack to this movie. It's so plodding and weird, and it suits the movie perfectly.


Yeah, I just cannot get into it. Not all of it is bad, but the Godzilla theme is atrocious. This movie really could have used Ifukube's theme.

Waa-waa-waaaa, ------waa, waa, waa, waa, waaaaaaaa,------ waa, waa, waa, waa, waa, waaaaaaaaa. LOL.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:43 am

Dr Kain wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:I love the soundtrack to this movie. It's so plodding and weird, and it suits the movie perfectly.


Yeah, I just cannot get into it. Not all of it is bad, but the Godzilla theme is atrocious. This movie really could have used Ifukube's theme.


Ifukube does not belong in this film. I love Ifukube, but that'd be like slapping Danny Elfman onto The Dark Knight (actually that's not extreme enough).
Manabe's weird and experimental score is perfect for a weird and experimental film.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Dr Kain » Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:46 am

MekaGojira3k wrote:Ifukube does not belong in this film. I love Ifukube, but that'd be like slapping Danny Elfman onto The Dark Knight (actually that's not extreme enough).
Manabe's weird and experimental score is perfect for a weird and experimental film.


But there is no energy to the music. It sounds like some bad disco that got caught by a cat stuck in the garbage disposal unit.

Granted, the music works better in this movie than Megalon.

Wait a minute... a cat... garbage. OH MY GOD!!!!
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 12:21 pm

I literally can't think of a piece of the SCORE aside from the waa waa trumpets and Save the Earth.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:32 am

Bring back the 'waa waa' trumpets Gareth Edwards!
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:00 am

lhb412 wrote:Bring back the 'waa waa' trumpets Gareth Edwards!


Unfortunately I can actually hear the waa song in my head right now despite having not watched this movie or Megalon in a long time. I hate you all. That's for ruining my chances of falling back asleep. I mean, even if I do sleep, hearing that song is the equivelant of a nightmare, don't you think?
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby eabaker » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:29 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I literally can't think of a piece of the SCORE aside from the waa waa trumpets and Save the Earth.


Most of it is pretty abstract and atmospheric, as opposed to melodic. Those are the only two piece I can think of that one could hum or whistle.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby mr.negativity » Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:48 am

Tokyoscope: The Japanese Cult Film Companion
Jasper Sharp wrote:With so many books on Japanese cinema now going down the exploitation route, you might think there wouldn't be much room for another. Proudly wearing its cult film origins on its sleeve, Patrick Macias's Tokyoscope: The Japanese Cult Film Companion still proves that there's a lot more out there still to be said.

Featuring a foreword by Kinji Fukasaku and an afterword by Takashi Miike, Tokyoscope breaks down the material into a series of informative chapters covering Monster Movies, Horror, Yakuza flicks, disaster flicks, "Pink and Violent", Fukasaku, Miike and Sonny Chiba, all succeeded by a series of reviews pertinent to the section in question. Highpoints include a fascinating interview with the guys who transformed the first two Lone Wolf films into that trash favourite Shogun Assassin, an enlightening section covering films that have actually been banned in Japan, and a translated article about the making of Godzilla Vs. The Smog Monster. Full marks for including films that haven't been written about elsewhere (Nikkatsu's The Weird Love Makers, anyone?), and digging deep with the background research, though as the author states in the foreword, this isn't intended as an encyclopedia, so the scattershot approach taken here at covering as broad a sample from the exploitation genre as you can fit into 240 pages results in a fairly eclectic selection of material (9 films reviewed in the horror section, for example). As I said, there's a lot of info in here not available elsewhere, but you get the impression this isn't going to be Macias's last word on the subject.


Has anyone read this?
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby william newell » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:19 pm

Yes. :mrgreen:
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Goji 84 » Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:49 am

Yes, it's been available for about 12 years. :wink:
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby ILL GREEN » Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:21 am

For me, I really like the movie. I don't mind the animated bits they actually fit the story in a 80's Robocop way. Anyone that grew up with Electric Company, 321 Contact and see this movie will know its the norm.

Other than that, Hedorah was Godzilla's toughest foe that he needed military assistance. Battles were epic too that had about four rounds. Other than the fights I thought the story was well played out though prolific in some areas as Banno gives his own subliminal message.

I give it four out of five.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:29 am

So, this was a recent re-watch for me and while my hatred has certainly cooled, I don't like it.

I find the monster battles boring, with Godzilla just stamping his feet and daring/begging Hedorah to fight. Then when they do they kinda just fumble around each other and nothing happens. Also, there's all kinds of little things like, Godzilla's in the pit of sludge and then just isn't. How did he get out? Nobody knows. How did he and Hedorah get into a scuffle that sends them tumbling down the hill? Nobody knows. In the beginning of the movie, when the fisherman brings the professor a Hedorah tadpole, why doesn't it burn everyone's fingers when they touch it? Nobody knows.

I just find the movie full of those little gaffs and goofs and inconsistencies and then there's stuff like the brother of the little kid getting killed and nobody cares. So, I think I found a couple more isolated things that I kinda liked this time out, but this is still my personal low point of the Showa series.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby eabaker » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:05 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:and then there's stuff like the brother of the little kid getting killed and nobody cares.


Uncle, not brother, and the thing that I like about that part is that nobody cares. Hedorah takes place in a very cold, ugly world, where individual lives have been rendered almost totally insignificant.[code][/code]
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