TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu May 22, 2014 7:33 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:This film could never hope to compare to the masterpiece of storytelling that is Roman Holiday with Giant Monsters™.


Space Bros beats Roman Holiday with Giant Monsters any day.

Name one thing in Ghidrah that outshines the Akira Takarada/Nick Adams combo?


THE ENTIRE MOVIE.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu May 22, 2014 8:23 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:This film could never hope to compare to the masterpiece of storytelling that is Roman Holiday with Giant Monsters™.


Space Bros beats Roman Holiday with Giant Monsters any day.

Name one thing in Ghidrah that outshines the Akira Takarada/Nick Adams combo?


THE ENTIRE MOVIE.


No, Jared. I asked you to name one thing that outshines the Akira Takarada/Nick Adams combo...not what is inferior to it.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby lhb412 » Thu May 22, 2014 9:51 pm

Guys, they're both so great. Why this incessant bickering?
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu May 22, 2014 11:03 pm

BECAUSE HE'S WRONG.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri May 23, 2014 6:25 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:BECAUSE HE'S WRONG.

BECAUSE HE'S A LIAR.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby goji4ever » Fri May 23, 2014 8:26 pm

Ghidrah has Godzilla vs Rodan..plus Rodans' great U-turn collision...so its tough to outright dismiss..
Monster Zero though is about as imaginative and fun as the series can get...

Instead of wasting time and resources to reimagine goji vs Mothra '64 they would have been better served retelling/updating this film
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Gwangi » Fri May 30, 2014 1:19 am

Now I realize there is a generation that grew up with the name "Godzilla vs. Monster Zero". If one likes it, then fine. Personally, I loathe that title.

When I first saw this movie, it looked like a Godzilla pic, but I was never sure because of the title. Later what a pleasant surprise to learn that Monster Zero was Ghidrah (whom I had only seen for the first time on 8mm home film). And of course, Godzilla and Rodan would show up as well. Plus the fact, that "Monster Zero" by itself is such a cool title. Just like hard-core Batman guys would probably not care for the name change of "The Dark Knight vs. the Joker" if it were reintroduced to a whole new generation.

It stays "Monster Zero" for me, and I was never crazy about the "Invasion of Astro Monster" moniker either. Glad American distributors had sense to rework some of names - "Frankenstein Conquers the World" "War of the Gargantuas", heck I will even take “Godzilla vs. The Thing” over its official Japanese title.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Shanai » Fri May 30, 2014 2:03 am

Being my second ever Godzilla movie, there's a lot of bias, but this remains to this day my favorite of the sixties Godzilla movies. While most people consider this Godzilla to be too "Cookie Monster", I actually like the design a lot more than I did the 1964 look. Rodan was always Godzilla's "true" bro to me thanks to this movie, and not Anguirus. And of course, King Ghidorah is just fantastic.

I love how by this point, unlike the previous Godzilla movies trying to stick to some semblance of the "real world", they just went all out right from the beginning. Yeah, it's 196X, we can fly to Jupiter's moon in a matter of days.


I only wish there were an official copy (Hell, I'd settle for a fan edit, but that's kinda rare in this fandom) that gave us the original Japanese version with Nick Adams' voice in English. I never used to be able to stand watching this movie subbed because having his voice dubbed felt more wrong to me than everyone else being dubbed into English. Now though it's hard to go back to the dub thanks to the cutting of the Xilien language scenes.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Inui Takumi » Fri May 30, 2014 2:41 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:This film could never hope to compare to the masterpiece of storytelling that is Roman Holiday with Giant Monsters™.


Space Bros beats Roman Holiday with Giant Monsters any day.

Name one thing in Ghidrah that outshines the Akira Takarada/Nick Adams combo?


THE ENTIRE MOVIE.


WRONG.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby tbeasley » Sat May 31, 2014 7:59 pm

People compare Ghidorah and Astro-Monster but to me Ghidorah goes better with Mothra vs. Godzilla and Astro-Monster to DAM. I still prefer Mothra/Ghidorah though. :)
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Gman2887 » Sat May 31, 2014 8:23 pm

tbeasley wrote:People compare Ghidorah and Astro-Monster but to me Ghidorah goes better with Mothra vs. Godzilla and Astro-Monster to DAM. I still prefer Mothra/Ghidorah though. :)


I've always looked at Ghidorah: The Three Headed-Monster as a great transition piece between the movies that bookend it. Destroy All Monsters feels like the logical progression from Monster Zero, but not nearly as well done or necessary. I'm glad we got Fukuda's movies before it.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby GFan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:28 pm

Shanai wrote:I only wish there were an official copy (Hell, I'd settle for a fan edit, but that's kinda rare in this fandom) that gave us the original Japanese version with Nick Adams' voice in English. I never used to be able to stand watching this movie subbed because having his voice dubbed felt more wrong to me than everyone else being dubbed into English. Now though it's hard to go back to the dub thanks to the cutting of the Xilien language scenes.


I've thought about doing undertaking the mixed-language edit, but just wouldn't know how to reburn with the subtitle track. Either way it would be quite a project, though I'm REALLY surprised no one has done it (or mentioned it here...).
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Xenorama » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:32 pm

in the words of the late George Harrison when guesting on the Simpsons...
"It's been done." :D
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:21 pm

Inui Takumi wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:Space Bros beats Roman Holiday with Giant Monsters any day.

Name one thing in Ghidrah that outshines the Akira Takarada/Nick Adams combo?


THE ENTIRE MOVIE.


WRONG.


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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Inui Takumi » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:41 pm

YOU NEED TO OCHITSUKE, BRO-SAN! ORE WA HANASHI MY OWN OPINION. BUT, I WOULD LIKE TO MIRU GHIDORAH AGAIN WITH YOU, SOMEDAY IN THE MIRAI, BRO-SAN!
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:04 am

Watched MZ tonight.

It's amazing how well the matte shots are done in this film. They blend seemlessly with the foreground, and some of them are truly beautiful (i.e. Rodan, Godzilla, and KG spread out across the screen in the countryside). This has to be one of the best monster rampages as all three kaiju are leveling everything in sight. It's a really fun movie loaded with all the 60's sci if stuff you could want, plus it has an incredible score.

It also looks far and away better than most of Godzilla 2000 (which I watched the night before). Though it was made over 30 years earlier, MZ has better matte shots.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Legion » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:09 am

I remember watching G2K in a theater on opening night and cringing at how bad some of those mattes were.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:29 am

Legion wrote:I remember watching G2K in a theater on opening night and cringing at how bad some of those mattes were.


Tell me about it. G2k has some of the worst mattes in any Godzilla film and the most uneven effects I can recall. Some Goji films have some jarringly bad effects, but it's usually limited to a handful of scenes. G2K has numerous scenes that are flat out horrible and they usually involved CGI or the mattes. The miniatures looked great...I'm not sure why they needed to try so many mattes.

The same thing happened in the ROM series...we were subject to several horrible mattes.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Gojizilla » Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:08 pm

Do not watch this after viewing Mothra vs. Godzilla, it will look inferior. With that said, this film is the last picture until 1984 where the monsters seem gigantic. I think it's better than DAM, but I believe it's not as good as King Kong vs. Godzilla and Mothra vs. Godzilla. I think the weakness of the picture is the plot.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:17 pm

Gojizilla wrote:Do not watch this after viewing Mothra vs. Godzilla, it will look inferior. With that said, this film is the last picture until 1984 where the monsters seem gigantic. I think it's better than DAM, but I believe it's not as good as King Kong vs. Godzilla and Mothra vs. Godzilla. I think the weakness of the picture is the plot.


DAM was a huge disappointment for me. I think it gets a pass for nostalgia's sake. While the concept was very cool, the execution was lacking and having KG get absolutely manhandled at the end of the movie felt unnecessary. He needed help from other villains.

One thing I loved about KKvsG and MothravsG were the crazy military plots. The idea of digging a huge trench and setting Godzilla on fire was great; Godzilla being bombarded by electric attacks/nets is one of the coolest military sequences in Godzilla history.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby DannyBeane » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:19 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:
Gojizilla wrote:Do not watch this after viewing Mothra vs. Godzilla, it will look inferior. With that said, this film is the last picture until 1984 where the monsters seem gigantic. I think it's better than DAM, but I believe it's not as good as King Kong vs. Godzilla and Mothra vs. Godzilla. I think the weakness of the picture is the plot.


DAM was a huge disappointment for me. I think it gets a pass for nostalgia's sake. While the concept was very cool, the execution was lacking and having KG get absolutely manhandled at the end of the movie felt unnecessary. He needed help from other villains.

One thing I loved about KKvsG and MothravsG were the crazy military plots. The idea of digging a huge trench and setting Godzilla on fire was great; Godzilla being bombarded by electric attacks/nets is one of the coolest military sequences in Godzilla history.


Well when your bombs and bullets are ineffective I guess at some point you have to start thinking outside the box.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby lhb412 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:28 pm

DAM was a huge disappointment for me. I think it gets a pass for nostalgia's sake. While the concept was very cool, the execution was lacking and having KG get absolutely manhandled at the end of the movie felt unnecessary. He needed help from other villains.


My go-to response about DAM: it's a combined remake of Ghidorah TTHM and Monster Zero, but with more monsters and not as good as either.

Ghidorah TTHM is everything DAM promises to be: an exciting, fun and funny romp with your favorite kaiju uniting to take on a bigger threat. Monster Zero is the ultimate alien invasion with mind-controlled kaiju movie. It's like with DAM they just concentrated on a few spectacle sequences with a bunch of monsters on screen and for the story just cribbed from their previous hits. I don't hate DAM, in fact I enjoy it a lot (it's a '60s Toho Godzilla movie, there's a baseline of competency there that means it's gonna be a lot of fun), but it doesn't really touch the two movies it's aping.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby DannyBeane » Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:35 pm

So I watched Monster Zero this morning and I didn't realize how hilariously sarcastic and petty the controller was. He always seemed to have a passive aggressive comeback. I think my favorite was
Astronaut K. Fuji: [about King Ghidorah] Can't you drive it away?
Controller of Planet X: If you have an idea how to do it, won't you tell us?
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby lhb412 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:00 pm

^It's even stronger in the Japanese version. Every compliment The Controller gives is a backhanded insult.
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Re: TALKBACK #6: Invasion of Astro Monster

Postby walshiam » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:11 pm

Both films are undeniable classics but would have been better off without the ""monster debates" and the "victory dance" included. I never found anything to appreciate about these scenes and from what I understand, neither did Honda. Tanaka and Tsuburaya didn't seem to have a problem with it realizing that the appeal of these films were shifting to children. Tsuburaya understood this more than anyone.
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