TALKBACK #3: King Kong vs. Godzilla

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Postby Mac » Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:53 pm

Let's just make a best fight thread.
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Postby EricDent » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:47 am

I do wish that somehow they release the Japanese version of this on DVD someday.

Overall it's a fun movie, and despite Kong looking rather goofy, he still is fun as heck to watch.

The fights are really great in this one, and it led to one of Godzilla's very few loses (or ties).

BTW is it just me, or is the native chant the same exact one they use for Mothra as well?
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:58 am

It is a shame the Jp version will never end up in the US due to Universal.

Anyway, this movie is fun, but the monster costumes are horrendous. King Kong looks like they just sewed together a rug and glewed $1 store eyes on it. Plus, he looks stoned the entire movie. The effects are bad (you can see the shadows of the weapons being thrown at the octopus), the video is extremely faded, but man, the changing ceremony music for Kong rocks so much. The drums in that thing are just incredible. I remember recording that song off my tape when I was a kid and would listen to it in my bedroom with my tape player. It is awesome. The fight is pretty good, and it is funny to think this movie is the first out of many times that castle gets destroyed.
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:20 am

Dr Kain wrote:The fight is pretty good, and it is funny to think this movie is the first out of many times that castle gets destroyed.


As far as I know, no other kaiju films take place in Atami (where the castle is located), so this remains the only time Atami Castle was ever destroyed.
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:27 am

Tyler E. Martin wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:The fight is pretty good, and it is funny to think this movie is the first out of many times that castle gets destroyed.


As far as I know, no other kaiju films take place in Atami (where the castle is located), so this remains the only time Atami Castle was ever destroyed.


Then what castle is it Godzilla destroys in Mothra vs Godzilla and he destroys fighting Ghidorah in Ghidorah?
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Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:39 pm

Dr Kain wrote:Then what castle is it Godzilla destroys in Mothra vs Godzilla


Nagoya Castle.
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:08 pm

Dr Kain wrote:Then what castle is it Godzilla destroys in Mothra vs Godzilla and he destroys fighting Ghidorah in Ghidorah?


GPO already identified the former, but I don't recall any castles being destroyed during the fight in Ghidorah. Castles in Japan are all made in a very similar fashion, so assuming it's the same castle just because they look similar isn't good practice. Locales are always mentioned in the dialogue, so even if you're not familiar with Japan's geography, there's no way it could be the same castle if it's in a different place.

EDIT: It's Edo Castle. It now serves as part of the Tokyo Imperial Palace. It's destroyed by Ghidorah, though, not Godzilla.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:23 pm

I'm probably wrong but the castle that Ghidrah himself destroys might be Himeji? Or... no, that's probably too far South. HELL IF I KNOW.
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Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:16 pm

Tyler E. Martin wrote:GPC already identified the former,


I'm the Giant Pacific Octopus. NOT the Giant Pacific Cuttlefish!

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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:22 pm

The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote:
Tyler E. Martin wrote:GPC already identified the former,


I'm the Giant Pacific Octopus. NOT the Giant Pacific Cuttlefish!

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Fixed. Sorry! Don't know where the "C" came from.
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Postby Irish Gfan » Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:49 am

If there is one Godzilla movie I want a remake too, its this one. King Kong & Gojira are my two favorite monster movies of all time and mixing the two together is a brilliant idea.

Unfortunately, this movie doesn't take the material as seriously as I would have liked. Its a very kid friendly and silly movie. That's fine in a lot of ways as parts of it are legitimately funny. Mr. Tako has got to be one of the goofiest characters ever featured in a Godzilla film, but he's a riot. I just wish two of the most famous movie monsters of all time in color for the first time would have been treated with a more serious tone (like the next film was). I also have major misgivings about the look of the Kong suit which was down right awful.

One other nitpick, I hate the inconsistency created with Godzilla & electricity. In the first film, he was immune to it, but here, it actually hurts him. Now I like that they gave Kong the power of getting strength from electricity, but making Godzilla a complete wuss in the face of it makes no sense.

The things I did like: The Kong/Godzilla fights, particularly the ending one, are great. The music was great (love the Kong tribal chant) and to be honest, despite the terrible look of the suit, it is one of my favorite portrayals of Kong's character. I mean the essence of King Kong is pretty much in tact while Godzilla is just a destructive powerhouse, which is fun.

So yes, its a good & fun entry, but I wish it'd been presented more seriously given the monster star power involved. That's why I would like to see this remade...but lets get real. NEVER gonna happen!
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Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:32 pm

Irish Gfan wrote:In the first film, he was immune to it, but here, it actually hurts him.


In the first film only 50,000 volts were used (over-exaggerated to 300,000 volts in the U.S version). Godzilla wasn't hurt by it.

So in this film they used 1,000,000 volts and it was too much for Godzilla causing him to back away from the wires.

In the next film (Mothra vs Godzilla), they tried to kill Godzilla with electricity and used 10,000,000 (via the electrified nets) on him, and almost killed him had the generator not overloaded.

So you see Toho was paying attention. :wink:
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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:14 pm

The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote:
Irish Gfan wrote:In the first film, he was immune to it, but here, it actually hurts him.


In the first film only 50,000 volts were used (over-exaggerated to 300,000 volts in the U.S version). Godzilla wasn't hurt by it.

So in this film they used 1,000,000 volts and it was too much for Godzilla causing him to back away from the wires.

In the next film (Mothra vs Godzilla), they tried to kill Godzilla with electricity and used 10,000,000 (via the electrified nets) on him, and almost killed him had the generator not overloaded.

So you see Toho was paying attention. :wink:
:shock: that is pretty crazy and kinda awesome if true. it's INSANELY awesome if the actual thought was along the lines you thought and not just random/accidental.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:39 pm

It would be great if they were keeping track. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me that much, the Showa era didn't really care about continuity but they did point out certain things.
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Postby mbozzo » Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:40 pm

King Kong Versus Godzilla was the battle between two kings. The King of the American monsters versus Japan's Monster King. Kong was the first and only American enemy for Godzilla. :D
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Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:06 pm

I just had to add this drawing I found online cuz I found it to be pretty damn funny.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:46 pm

that's AWESOME.
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Postby heroforhirerob » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:06 pm

Revisiting this one, my opinion is more or less the same. Godzilla looks fine, but that Kong suit is so bad I'd swear I was watching an episode of Ultraman Taro. This movie does have a great cast though...and the Ifukube score, while not the best...it certainly worthwhile. There are also some awfully sloppy effects in this one. This film also suffers by comparison with the next three films which are all much, MUCH better. It's like this film was the test run for greater things to come.
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Postby msunz27 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 8:50 pm

Happy 50th!!! :D Your move, Criterion. (hint, hint) :wink:
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Postby Psycho Soldier » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:07 pm

This one's okay. Once I get past the inconsistent quality of the special effects and the rather ugly Kong suit, I have fun with it. It's not one I get overly excited about, but I'll gladly throw it on when I have nothing better to watch. The American cut's pretty frustrating, especially with the new scenes interrupting everything, but at least it's not as insufferable as Gigantis. The dub's one of the more memorable ones for me, maybe because of the nostalgia factor. I've only seen the Japanese version once, on a VHS without subtitles. I'll have to give that one another shot sometime.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:21 pm

i honestly prefer the american cut.

i find it to be a more fun ride.
maybe that's nostalgia, but it's the way i feel.
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Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Sat Aug 11, 2012 12:23 pm

Bruticus wrote:and the rather ugly Kong suit


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HEY! Who're callin ugly you stupid baloney!!
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:43 pm

I still prefer this Kong to the King Kong Escapes suit.
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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:22 pm

The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote:
Irish Gfan wrote:In the first film, he was immune to it, but here, it actually hurts him.


In the first film only 50,000 volts were used (over-exaggerated to 300,000 volts in the U.S version). Godzilla wasn't hurt by it.

So in this film they used 1,000,000 volts and it was too much for Godzilla causing him to back away from the wires.

In the next film (Mothra vs Godzilla), they tried to kill Godzilla with electricity and used 10,000,000 (via the electrified nets) on him, and almost killed him had the generator not overloaded.

So you see Toho was paying attention. :wink:


Then if its true that electricity DOES harm Godzilla, then Toho weren't paying any attention when they made Mecha Godzilla and getting struck by lightning somehow makes him stronger. :P
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:30 pm

I think the real culprit was Sea Monster in which electricity woke him up (and he was just standing in for Kong). I think they were just going off of that when they wrote that stuff into Godzilla vs. MechaGodzilla.
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