TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby eabaker » Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:08 pm

Sorry, what's a "machete order"?

(I intentionally made that a contraction just in case you used the phrase as a set-up and need to deliver a punchline...)
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Jorzilla » Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:41 pm

eabaker wrote:Sorry, what's a "machete order"?

(I intentionally made that a contraction just in case you used the phrase as a set-up and need to deliver a punchline...)

It comes from a widely suggested ordering for new people to the Star Wars films. Instead of watching them in order of release or, or chronologically, you split them up so that people have maximum information at the right time.

The idea is to watching IV, V, II, II, VI.

You can read more about the idea here:

http://static.nomachetejuggling.com/machete_order.html

Taking the principals there, I decided to try something similar by breaking out chunks of Godzilla films which are logically grouped together, and stacking them against each other based on quality, complete storyline and introduction of characters (for example getting through the previous Mechagodzilla films before watching Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla, you need to know the context). The end result looked like this, and I'm still finding some revisions to the list towards the end. The 15 or so films are in great order:

Godzilla Character Trilogy

Godzilla (Godzilla, King of the Monsters) [1954]
The Return of Godzilla (Godzilla 1985) [1984]
Godzilla vs. Biollante [1989]

King Ghidorah and Mothra Saga

Mothra vs. Godzilla [1964]
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster [1964]
Invasion of Astro-Monster (Godzilla vs. Monster Zero) [1965]
Destroy All Monsters [1968]

Modern Throwback
Godzilla, Mothra & King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack [2001]

Original Mechagodzilla(s)

Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla [1974]
Terror of Mechagodzilla [1975]

Best of Heisei (Remaining)
Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah [1991]
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2 [1993]
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah [1995]

Mechagodzilla Remakes
Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla [2002]
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. [2003]

Godzilla's Island Adventure!
Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster) [1966]
Son of Godzilla [1967]
All Monsters Attack (Godzilla's Revenge) [1969]

70s Action Star!
Godzilla vs. Hedorah (Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster) [1971]
Godzilla vs. Gigan [1972]
Godzilla vs. Megalon [1973]

'Honoring' the Franchise
Godzilla: Final Wars [2004]

More Reboots?
Godzilla 2000: Millennium (Godzilla 2000) [1999]
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus [2000]

Remaining Showa Films
Godzilla Raids Again [1955]
King Kong vs. Godzilla [1962]

Worst of Heisei (Remaining)
Godzilla vs. Mothra (Godzilla & Mothra: The Battle for Earth) [1992]
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla [1994]

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GODZILLA [1998]
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby klen7 » Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:22 am

Interesting chop. I'd throw FW at the end of the reboot list and maybe call it Regeneration. Also I'dcall the Mechagodzilla Remake section the Kiryu Saga
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Jorzilla » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:05 pm

klen7 wrote:Interesting chop. I'd throw FW at the end of the reboot list and maybe call it Regeneration. Also I'dcall the Mechagodzilla Remake section the Kiryu Saga

That's an interesting point on Final Wars. It's where it is though, so after the 70s films you can (almost) immediately see the re-imagining of both Gigan and Hedorah in Final Wars. Plus in terms of tone, the 70s films are more in line with Godzilla Final Wars.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Bluejira » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:07 pm

Finally got around to watching the Japanese version of this today after having the CM DVD since it was released. Watched to refamiliarize with the grittiest tooth and claw battle in the series. Completely different and better movie than Gigantis. Never realized that the music not just the narration was so annoying in the Americanized version. GRA is quiet where it needs to be. It adds some gravitas to the scenes of the blackout and battle.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Gman2887 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:04 pm

I generally like putting Mothra vs. Godzilla, Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster and Monster Zero together as a "Showa trilogy" of sorts. In my mind they work so well together and pretty much represent the best of the best outside the original film.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Russzilla » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:59 pm

Gman2887 wrote:I generally like putting Mothra vs. Godzilla, Ghidorah: The Three Headed Monster and Monster Zero together as a "Showa trilogy" of sorts. In my mind they work so well together and pretty much represent the best of the best outside the original film.

I generally regard these three Godzilla movies as the real "high point" of the Showa Era.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:37 pm

... hmmm, I was going to go through the Godzilla films in roughly chronological order in preparation for the new movie, but machete order sounds much more fun (and I really don't want to watch vs. Mothra '92 and Megaguirus).

-Mothra/Ghidorah trilogy
-Mechagodzilla duology
-Island movies
-The three Heisei movies I actually like
-The two Millinium movies I actually like

... this'll be fun!
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:25 am

I've been kicking around the idea of doing reverse order....
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Postby DannyBeane » Fri Jan 31, 2014 12:11 pm

So I am sitting here watching GRA which used to be my unabashed favorite Godzilla movie. Other movies have creeped up into the top standing. Specifically Ghidrah, and Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (1975) But as I sit here watching this, I am really impressed with the spfx. The miniature work is top notch and the composite shots are probably some of the best you will get during the showa era. I know a lot of people don't like the GRA suit, but I think its very intimidating. It only looks bad when directly viewed from the front. From the side it looks super menacing. The Anguirus suit is also the best of the series. It looks both ferocious and tough.

The fight scene alone is the best kaiju fight ever in my opinion. Both kaiju come off as looking like savage wild animals fighting it out. Its a shame there aren't more kaiju fights like this. Once KK vs G came out the kaiju fights seemed to become a bunch of kung fu choreography which is great for making these creatures seem like sentient beings but it takes away some of animalness. Sometimes I just want to see two creatures go at it. Godzilla actually repeatedly tries to bite Anguirus! After KKvsG Godzilla is all punches and kicks. The only time I can think of Godzilla biting anything after this film was when he fought Ebirah.

The only critique I have of this film is that after Anguirus dies, the pacing tanks. There is a lot of downtime between that fight and the final confrontation with Godzilla.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby ILL GREEN » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:18 am

I only saw it as Gigantis The Fire Monster and the roars for the monsters were reversed. Anguirus roared like Godzilla and Godzilla roared like Anguirus. That was one of the things I noticed that was different from other Goji entries. I really liked Godzilla's suit, he looked more vicious and he was merciless to Angy. One of the most violent fights I ever saw, I actually hated Godzilla when he slaughtered Anguirus. Really disturbed me as a kid, perhaps the reason why it hardly gets broadcasted on television.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:51 am

Bleh, this movie...in BOTH cuts...bleh.

The American cut feels a little lighter and more fun, but good LORD that narration..."I picked up my radio" "I waved" "I told you what I was doing while I was doing it" ugh. Also, "Gigantis" and the Anguirus roar for Godzilla really just ruin this for me.

The Japanese cut, however, features none of the unintentional hilarity of the American cut such as the science lesson on the history of the universe, or the horrible dubbed lines.

Other than the monster fights which have an eerie, surreal quality due to their speed and the subtle score, and the climax of the film, I find this one by and large uninteresting.

There are some solid composite shots, though...like when Godzilla and Anguirus are battling and in the foreground stuff is being knocked over and in the background the city's on fire, or when the prisoners get drowned.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby briizilla » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:41 am

I picked up my radio" "I waved" "I told you what I was doing while I was doing it"


One of the many reasons I love this movie. So corny.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:53 am

briizilla wrote:
I picked up my radio" "I waved" "I told you what I was doing while I was doing it"


One of the many reasons I love this movie. So corny.

Which it MIGHT be, if not for the other incredible issues the US cut has...and the lack of incredible issues the Japanese cut has.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu May 22, 2014 11:09 pm

Watched this for the second time ever the other night. It's not the strongest film in the series but I still liked a lot of things about it. Particularly the part where they realize that Godzilla is an unstoppable force so their big plan is to just turn all the lights out and hope for him to lose interest and leave. I love that.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Gojilove » Fri May 23, 2014 1:26 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:Watched this for the second time ever the other night. It's not the strongest film in the series but I still liked a lot of things about it. Particularly the part where they realize that Godzilla is an unstoppable force so their big plan is to just turn all the lights out and hope for him to lose interest and leave. I love that.


There are some really interesting moments in this film - particularly in the Japanese cut, I love the moments where there is no music, something dreadful about it.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby MekaGojira3k » Fri May 23, 2014 6:15 pm

Gojilove wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:Watched this for the second time ever the other night. It's not the strongest film in the series but I still liked a lot of things about it. Particularly the part where they realize that Godzilla is an unstoppable force so their big plan is to just turn all the lights out and hope for him to lose interest and leave. I love that.


There are some really interesting moments in this film - particularly in the Japanese cut, I love the moments where there is no music, something dreadful about it.


Really great moment. Really underrated movie.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon May 26, 2014 3:16 pm

It's weird because I really enjoyed it when I first got the DVD but I just never got around to it until now. I watch a crap-ton of stuff outside of just Godzilla and my Toho-cravings were usually satiated by one of my perennial favorites whenever they came up.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue May 27, 2014 10:12 am

I suppose I was just surprised that you'd only seen it once. I think more of that has to do with my insane tendency to run through all of the Toho films once a year, at least.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Legion » Tue May 27, 2014 2:59 pm

Up until last night, my wife had yet to see 6 Godzilla films. That number is down to five now that we've watched this movie. And you know what...she actually liked this one. She seemed to really enjoy the characters and said she enjoyed the Angilas fight. She was actually a bit shocked when he was killed and was also surprised that they killed off Kobayashi.

And for the record, the films she hasn't seen yet are King Kong vs Godzilla, Godzilla 1985, Godzilla 2000, Godzilla X Megagiras and Final Wars.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue May 27, 2014 3:24 pm

Show Kong last so it ends on a high note.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue May 27, 2014 10:07 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:Show Kong last so it ends on a high note.

I think you meant to say GFW.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue May 27, 2014 10:19 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:I suppose I was just surprised that you'd only seen it once. I think more of that has to do with my insane tendency to run through all of the Toho films once a year, at least.


Yeah, I NEVER do that. I probably average 15 Toho films a year and that includes repeats (Mechagodzilla74 three times a year? YES, PLEASE) and usually at least half of those films are non-Godzilla films because Godzilla is overrated. :mrgreen:
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Shanai » Tue May 27, 2014 11:35 pm

Rewatching the movie recently during my marathon leading up to the new movie, I was actually really impressed with how well paced the movie was. Godzilla and Anguirus show up and have their first fight scene within ten minutes of the movie, and things proceed quickly through the Osaka battle.

After that though, I was reminded why this movie never rated very highly for me. The fight was awesome, but happening so early, the rest of the movie seems to drag quite a bit, and the conclusion kinda drags on and isn't particularly exciting in comparison to a massive battle through the city.

I think higher of the movie than I used to, and actually have come to really like Godzilla's look in it, but the same main problem is still there.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed May 28, 2014 9:01 am

kiryugoji04 wrote:
MekaGojira3k wrote:I suppose I was just surprised that you'd only seen it once. I think more of that has to do with my insane tendency to run through all of the Toho films once a year, at least.


Yeah, I NEVER do that. I probably average 15 Toho films a year and that includes repeats (Mechagodzilla74 three times a year? YES, PLEASE) and usually at least half of those films are non-Godzilla films because Godzilla is overrated. :mrgreen:


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