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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby lhb412 » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:01 pm

The GRA puppet isn't as distractingly different from the suit as the Gojira puppet... and yet somehow the GRA ones is worse. In Gojira the puppet may not have looked like the suit, but it was at least well constructed and had lots of personality.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Russzilla » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:34 pm

What I want to know is what were they thinking in regards to those teeth? :lol:
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:13 am

lhb412 wrote:The GRA puppet isn't as distractingly different from the suit as the Gojira puppet... and yet somehow the GRA ones is worse. In Gojira the puppet may not have looked like the suit, but it was at least well constructed and had lots of personality.

Not a bad assessment at all.

The puppet really is awful.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:09 am

Yeah the particular shot was the one I was thinking of. And the puppets tend to usually look off. I dunno, I still rather like the suit.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Russzilla » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:45 am

Maybe all this was the result of GRA being rushed into production. This was filmed and released in just over 5 months.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:53 am

You know, this movie is really mediocre. It's got enough good things and bad things going for it that it just evens out into something really mundane and forgettable.

But I've always really, really liked this Godzilla suit. The close-up puppet is awful, no doubt, with its bucktoothed jawline, but the full-body suit I think is just great. It's got all of the features of the 1954 suit but it's slimmer and able to move faster. It's the only hybrid between the bulky, mammalian Godzilla of the '50s and the slimmed down, anthropomorphic brawler of the '60s.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby briizilla » Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:15 pm

We're getting hit with heavy snow so tonight is the perfect time to bust this movie out, get under a blanket and have some Baileys over ice.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:27 pm

briizilla wrote:We're getting hit with heavy snow so tonight is the perfect time to bust this movie out, get under a blanket and have some Baileys over ice.


Tonight IS a good night for Raids Again here as well. I've always sort of associated it with this season...well..it's not technically winter yet...but whatevs.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Dr Kain » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:37 pm

In 1954, Toho released a movie about a monster that symbolized the atomic bombs that had been dropped on Japan during World War II called “Godzilla.” The movie showed pure terror and destruction in its wake just as the bombings in Japan had done to its residence. It was a phenomenal hit, so what did Toho do? Make a quick sequel to cash on its success, and it shows.

This movie is not bad by any means, but it is not really all that great either. It stars to fishing pilots by the name of Kobayashi and Tsukioka, who are likable characters, but they are far from being anywhere near as memorable as the likes of Emiko, Dr. Yamane, and Dr. Serizawa. In fact, Kobayashi’s sacrifice is about the only reason his name tends to stick out. They are not terrible characters, but compared to what came before, and what comes later, they are pretty much as bland as the movie.

The plot is decent, but It shows how rushed as was as it seems like even Toho did not know how to follow up the first one. They decide that there this Godzilla is a different one, which is fine, but it seems like they are now saying that Godzilla was a race of dinosaurs woken up by the bombs instead of being mutated by it. It does not really make sense and contradicts the whole horror that was the first Godzilla. It is an interesting idea though, one that will be repeated throughout the entire history of the franchise. Nevertheless, a new monster by the name of Anguirus is revealed and we get to see him and Godzilla face off a couple of times in the movie. Anguirus fits in with the theme Toho was going for, as Anguirus is also just an average dinosaur, but he looks cool, so it works. Osaka is attacked, but the destruction of the city comes more from Godzilla and Anguirus battling each other rather than just Godzilla stomping through the city. It is okay, but it is obvious Toho was trying to just repeat the sense of destruction as they then show Osaka’s remains the next day. This would be fine except it seems to be forgotten so quickly that there is no time to really feel the impact Osaka has just gone through as we did in Tokyo with the first attack. Not to mention it cheapens that one. Nevertheless, Anguirus is killed and Godzilla is defeated by ice. I’m not exactly sure how to respond to that.

The Godzilla suit in this movie is pretty bad. It looks fine from the side when the shots are at a distance, but close up shots and the showing the costume from the front really shows how rushed it was made. The costume is just awful as it looks weird, disproportionate, and rubbery. If there is anything the first movie’s costume accomplished, it was making Godzilla look like a giant monster dinosaur rather than a rubber suit in the shape of one, as it appears to be here. Anguirus looks fine, but his head movements are weird looking. The effects in the movie are okay, but outside of the fire in Osaka, there is not too much to talk about. I really do like the way they filmed the monsters fighting each other though, as they speed up their actions, which make them look animalistic in the way they are battling. That is a nicely done in a movie that feels rushed in every sense of the word

Overall, I’d give Godzilla Raids Again a 6/10. It is far from being anywhere near the worst movie in the series, but it is about average, especially when compared to its predecessor. It did introduce a monster that would become one of Godzilla’s most recognizable allies though, and it did show that there was a market for giant monster movies, so it definitely gets points for that. IN the long run though, there is nothing special about this movie unless you must see how Godzilla ended up being in the iceberg in the first bit of “King Kong vs. Godzilla.”
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby briizilla » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:45 pm

Dr Kain wrote:In 1954, Toho released a movie about a monster that symbolized the atomic bombs that had been dropped on Japan during World War II called “Godzilla.” The movie showed pure terror and destruction in its wake just as the bombings in Japan had done to its residence. It was a phenomenal hit, so what did Toho do? Make a quick sequel to cash on its success, and it shows.

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The plot is decent, but It shows how rushed as was as it seems like even Toho did not know how to follow up the first one. They decide that there this Godzilla is a different one, which is fine, but it seems like they are now saying that Godzilla was a race of dinosaurs woken up by the bombs instead of being mutated by it. It does not really make sense and contradicts the whole horror that was the first Godzilla. It is an interesting idea though, one that will be repeated throughout the entire history of the franchise. Nevertheless, a new monster by the name of Anguirus is revealed and we get to see him and Godzilla face off a couple of times in the movie. Anguirus fits in with the theme Toho was going for, as Anguirus is also just an average dinosaur, but he looks cool, so it works. Osaka is attacked, but the destruction of the city comes more from Godzilla and Anguirus battling each other rather than just Godzilla stomping through the city. It is okay, but it is obvious Toho was trying to just repeat the sense of destruction as they then show Osaka’s remains the next day. This would be fine except it seems to be forgotten so quickly that there is no time to really feel the impact Osaka has just gone through as we did in Tokyo with the first attack. Not to mention it cheapens that one. Nevertheless, Anguirus is killed and Godzilla is defeated by ice. I’m not exactly sure how to respond to that.

The Godzilla suit in this movie is pretty bad. It looks fine from the side when the shots are at a distance, but close up shots and the showing the costume from the front really shows how rushed it was made. The costume is just awful as it looks weird, disproportionate, and rubbery. If there is anything the first movie’s costume accomplished, it was making Godzilla look like a giant monster dinosaur rather than a rubber suit in the shape of one, as it appears to be here. Anguirus looks fine, but his head movements are weird looking. The effects in the movie are okay, but outside of the fire in Osaka, there is not too much to talk about. I really do like the way they filmed the monsters fighting each other though, as they speed up their actions, which make them look animalistic in the way they are battling. That is a nicely done in a movie that feels rushed in every sense of the word

Overall, I’d give Godzilla Raids Again a 6/10. It is far from being anywhere near the worst movie in the series, but it is about average, especially when compared to its predecessor. It did introduce a monster that would become one of Godzilla’s most recognizable allies though, and it did show that there was a market for giant monster movies, so it definitely gets points for that. IN the long run though, there is nothing special about this movie unless you must see how Godzilla ended up being in the iceberg in the first bit of “King Kong vs. Godzilla.”



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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:46 pm

Pretty good review.

It's been awhile since I've seen GRA, but the review echoes what I remember. I always thought the camera speed for the fight scenes was a little odd, but by the time I saw GRA I had already seen much of the Showa series and it just seemed "off" by comparison.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:09 am

I'm glad I'm not the only one who digs the weird, wonky under-cranked monster action. It looks bizarre and gives the movie just enough of a quirky, surrealistic feel to keep me entertained here and there.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby eabaker » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:37 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I'm glad I'm not the only one who digs the weird, wonky under-cranked monster action. It looks bizarre and gives the movie just enough of a quirky, surrealistic feel to keep me entertained here and there.


Heck yeah!

Not one of my favorite Showa-era Godzilla movies, but ultimately one of my favorite Showa-era fight sequences.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby lhb412 » Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:55 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:But I've always really, really liked this Godzilla suit. The close-up puppet is awful, no doubt, with its bucktoothed jawline, but the full-body suit I think is just great. It's got all of the features of the 1954 suit but it's slimmer and able to move faster. It's the only hybrid between the bulky, mammalian Godzilla of the '50s and the slimmed down, anthropomorphic brawler of the '60s.


Okay, we're about to clash.

I just watched this film, and I think that maybe this is the weakest of all the Showa suits. Yes, more than the Son of Godzilla suit (which looks really odd, but at least looks competently made). The Raids Again costume is very rubbery and ill-fitting, often looking really awkward in shots. It does look good in certain shots and from certain angles, but I think the bad ones really out-weigh the good ones.

Also: the American version is just so damn strange. It adds a veneer of total nonsense to the film!
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby eabaker » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:23 pm

lhb412 wrote:
Benjamin Haines wrote:But I've always really, really liked this Godzilla suit. The close-up puppet is awful, no doubt, with its bucktoothed jawline, but the full-body suit I think is just great. It's got all of the features of the 1954 suit but it's slimmer and able to move faster. It's the only hybrid between the bulky, mammalian Godzilla of the '50s and the slimmed down, anthropomorphic brawler of the '60s.


Okay, we're about to clash.

I just watched this film, and I think that maybe this is the weakest of all the Showa suits. Yes, more than the Son of Godzilla suit (which looks really odd, but at least looks competently made). The Raids Again costume is very rubbery and ill-fitting, often looking really awkward in shots. It does look good in certain shots and from certain angles, but I think the bad ones really out-weigh the good ones.

Also: the American version is just so damn strange. It adds a veneer of total nonsense to the film!


It's been probably more than 15 years since I watched the Gigantis cut, and it's come up on both this site and TK. Darn it, I'm gonna watch it today, and see how I feel about it now!
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby eabaker » Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:17 pm

Okay, I'm about 20 minutes into Gigantis right now. I had forgotten just what a great big pile of nonsense this dubbing is.

"You think I have courage?"
"Why? Don't you?"
"You ask me that?"

"Don't talk like that; last night in the automobile, you thought you were being chased by a cow."
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:06 pm

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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby eabaker » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:08 pm

After finding the first half hour or so entertainingly stupid, now... I can't remember the last time I was this bored by anything featuring the voice of Paul Frees. It's not holding may attention at all.

Maybe it's just easier for me to stay focused on the Japanese version because the subtitles force me to keep my eyes on the screen.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby H-Man » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:20 pm

I know I'm in the minority, but I really like GIGANTIS as a stupid '50s monster movie.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:14 pm

eabaker wrote:Okay, I'm about 20 minutes into Gigantis right now. I had forgotten just what a great big pile of nonsense this dubbing is.

"You think I have courage?"
"Why? Don't you?"
"You ask me that?"

"Don't talk like that; last night in the automobile, you thought you were being chased by a cow."


Nothing matches Yamane's history of life on Earth/description of the events of Gojira. That's a slice of madness, right there.

... if the American distributes wanted to severe all ties to the first film to make this not seem like a sequel why did they leave in a five minute sequence of a character describing the events of the previous film while clips from said film plays?
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:35 am

Well I think it was a sort of a "laziness" thing, where they just left in some of the other insanity from when they were going to make it into not a Godzilla movie before later on deciding to leave it as a Godzilla movies...

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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby eabaker » Sun Jan 12, 2014 4:29 pm

"Lazy" sums up just about everything about the Americanization of the movie, down to the syntax of the opening narration.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby briizilla » Sun Jan 12, 2014 5:37 pm

The last 10 posts or so are all reasons why I love the American cut. It goes from simply lazy writing and morphs into something completely insane. "chased by a cow" "murderers, original plundering murderers" "as science has been able to reconstwuct it for you". The monsters roars swapping back and forth. The never ending narration. The Dr saying he'll go get the tools as if a hammer and nails are going to make any difference as his factory lies smoldering in the rubble.

It's all batshit crazy. It's like a cheesy 50s drive in movie cranked up to 11. It's wonderful.
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby lhb412 » Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:29 pm

You have to wonder when watching these films if the dubbers were in on the fun (and funny) of what they were doing. Did Godzilla vs. Giagn's dub turn out amazingly funny by accident?
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Re: TALKBACK #2: Godzilla Raids Again

Postby Jorzilla » Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:34 pm

I always found Raids Again boring, but with the exception of the baffling name and roar switches, I actually found myself more entertained by Gigantis. I still think this is one of the worst Godzilla movies, though.

I'll have to give it another shot. It's near the bottom of my list, and I'm about half way through re-watching the series in a machete order I created.
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