TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Russzilla » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:37 am

Smog Monster was always one of my favorites. I still remember seeing this for the first time as a kid in the ‘70s on Creature Double Feature that Saturday afternoon. I thought Hedorah was one of the coolest monsters I’d ever seen. And during that time around my way, watching a Godzilla movie was an event, as around this time, Godzilla movies really started going into heavy syndication, especially ones that hadn’t had their world broadcast premieres on television yet. Smog Monster was one of them when I first saw it.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby UltraDada72 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:46 am

This is also one of my favorite Godzilla films as well. For a long time I had wanted to watch it, only knowing about it from reading the Ian Thorne Godzilla book (which I still own a copy of that I scored off ebay several years ago). It finally came on TV and when I first saw it, I loved Hedorah's design(s), found many of the aspects just weird (the club scene, the cartoons, the random and odd style and tone), and it just seemed like an odd acid trip. To this day I still find myself occasionally singing the English dub of Save The Earth, which I know all the words too. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun May 26, 2019 5:43 pm

This movie had a lot of thought put into it and it shows. Love or hate Banno's directorial style, the film's pacing and attention to detail are very deliberate.

Godzilla vs. Hedorah has been one of my favorites since the first time I saw it and even after all these years, I'm still noticing new things when I rewatch it. Today I just realized that Godzilla doesn't willfully activate the electrodes to fry Hedorah the first time he blasts them. Godzilla learns his atomic breath can do that by accident when he means to blast Hedorah.

At the outset of their battle at Mt. Fuji, Hedorah hits Godzilla with several acidic sludge splats, including one on Godzilla's face which leaves his left eye swollen shut for the remainder of the film.

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After lasering Godzilla and leaving him writhing on the ground, Hedorah targets the people. Godzilla gets Hedorah's attention again with a blast of atomic breath. Uncharacteristic of Godzilla, his atomic breath misses his target a little to the right, because now he's aiming with just his right eye.

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When the military is able to lure Hedorah with flashing headlights, they get him to walk between the electrodes but they don't yet have the power to activate them. Godzilla once again reinstigates his fight with Hedorah using his atomic breath, again missing Hedorah by aiming too far to the right. This inadvertently activates the electrodes.

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But Godzilla wouldn't have known at first what those electrodes would do. He couldn't know that the humans were struggling to activate them or that his atomic breath would inexplicably do the trick. Once he saw the result he kept doing it but when he activated the electrodes that first time, I think Godzilla did it completely by accident due to Hedorah burning his left eye and throwing off his aim.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:26 am

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Inspired by this week's climate strikes as well as based on a poster I made for the climate strike I attended last Friday at the Georgia State Capitol.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:57 am

^ Splendid work!
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:32 pm

Thank you kindly!
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:16 pm

Very nice art. Banno would be proud.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby superhedorahsaiyan » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:33 am

This is my favorite of the Showa era, and is in my top ten Godzilla movies. Wonderfully weird, trippy, and dark. Hedorah definitely one of the more powerful Showa era kaiju.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby william newell » Sat Oct 05, 2019 4:13 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:Image

Inspired by this week's climate strikes as well as based on a poster I made for the climate strike I attended last Friday at the Georgia State Capitol.


Nice art on the poster, even if I think the message is just another bit of alarmist hooey that I've/we've been fed since grade school in the 60's. Funny how it used to be that the only people you saw predicting the end of the world was some nut job wearing a sandwich board on a street corner. That is, until scientists figured out that the easiest way to get lots of grant money was to come up with all these "end of the world" scenario's. As the great George Carlin said, "This planet has survived disasters and cataclysms far greater than anything man can do. We may be gone, but the planet and life will endure." (I'm paraphrasing here as I do not have access to the actual quote.) I mean, life survived the Permian extinction, which made the death of the dinosaurs in the Mesozoic look like a picnic in comparison. And if you think that the "powers that be" are going to give up their private jets and steak dinners, that ain't happen'in. It's just another way they use to keep everyone in fear and easy to control...end of rant...Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby XvGojira » Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:03 pm

George Carlin wrote:Besides, there is nothing wrong with the planet, nothing wrong with the planet. The planet is fine. The people are f*****.
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The planet isn’t going anywhere. We are! We’re goin’ away. Pack your s***, Folks, we’re goin’ away!
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Planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake, an evolutionary cul de sac. The planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, a surface nuisance.


So yeah, we're not "Saving the Earth", as it doesn't need saving. It's more about ensuring that the climate and environment of the Earth won't alter enough to become inhospitable to our species' survival.

I'd go on more but this is already toeing the line of the no politics rule.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:03 pm

Often I think an Earth inhospitable to human life would be something of an improvement.

And in my experience the kind of people who think global warming is a conspiracy also believe in Icke's Reptiloids and the Protocols and probably eat spoonfuls of aquarium gravel because a radio host told them it would make their brain more powerful.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:53 pm

Found the boomer! I'd roll my eyes harder but "no politics" and all that. <3

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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:40 pm

Nothing delights me more than "boomer" becoming an insult.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:47 pm

It's pretty great.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby H-Man » Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:23 pm

I'd argue the damage we do to the planet isn't so easily reset for or by the non-human lifeforms that also inhabit it. So even if one believe that the planet itself would be fine (I'd like to see the science on this), it may be correct to say the Earth in "Save the Earth" could refer to its living beings as well.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 1:04 am

'Save the Humans' just doesn't sound as good. Sounds a bit conceited, too.

'Godzilla: Save the Earth' would be a great title for a MonsterVerse rematch between Godzilla and Hedorah.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:05 pm

lhb412 wrote:Often I think an Earth inhospitable to human life would be something of an improvement.


Yeah, looking at the atrocities committed by human beings every day, it's easy to come to that conclusion. Still, that can make it too easy to overlook the positive impact that people can bring to the world.

One of my heroes since I was a kid is Steve Irwin, the Crocodile Hunter. His enthusiasm for animals and his passion for wildlife conservation really resonated with me. The world lost a great man when he died in 2006.

I just visited my grandmother over the weekend and we spent one afternoon watching the Animal Planet cable network together. I got to see a marathon of this new show called Crikey! It's the Irwins starring Steve's wife Terri, their grown daughter Bindi and their teenage son Robert. Watching that family carry on their father's legacy of global wildlife conservation along with the whole team at Australia Zoo just reminded me of what a difference people can still make in the lives of less fortunate animals every single day. To top it off, I got to watch a couple of shows I had never seen before about professional dog rescuing called Pit Bulls and Parolees and Amanda to the Rescue. Really, if you ever need your faith in humanity restored, check out one of those shows.

Humans do interfere with nature but humanity is also just as much a part of the world as every other species. There is a beautiful purity to preserved parts of the natural world, places where animals and other forms of life are protected from human incursion and allowed to exist naturally, but that does underscore the other side of that coin: nature is a cold, harsh mistress. A soft-shelled turtle laid a clutch of eggs on a pond bank and buried them before returning to the water, only for a group of crows to promptly fly down and dig the eggs up for lunch. A golden eagle brought a goose chick back to its nest and started eating it while it was still alive. That kind of thing happens everywhere in nature every day.

Treatable injuries and illnesses are frequently fatal for animals in the wild. My best friend KC got to live to the ripe old feline age of 15 but if I hadn't been there to handle his diabetes, he wouldn't have made it past age 9. All the same, during his life I fed him an immeasurable amount of fish and poultry in the form of his canned cat food. He got to live his life to the fullest at the cost of countless fish, chicken and turkey lives, and this human facilitated it. That may not have been natural but it made all the difference in the world to him and I don't regret it. To live in this world is to make a distinction between which of our fellow individuals mean more than others to us. As humans, our brains give us the unique power to recognize and control our impact on the world. What matters is that we do our best to treat our fellow organisms with respect without being cruel.

If Earth eventually does reach a point where human life becomes unsustainable, it wouldn't just mean the extinction of humanity but the end of 99.99% of all other species too. The planet would continue on, new life would adapt to the new world, but the mass extinction of almost every currently existing species would still be a terrible, tragic loss. Even if that wouldn't happen until long after my lifetime, I don't want that to happen to this world and the species that call it home. The existence of humanity is precisely why the planet's next mass extinction doesn't have to be inevitable.


lhb412 wrote:And in my experience the kind of people who think global warming is a conspiracy also believe in Icke's Reptiloids and the Protocols and probably eat spoonfuls of aquarium gravel because a radio host told them it would make their brain more powerful.


In my experience, people who deny the scientific evidence of Earth's climate change tend to be the same people who inexplicably believe that the entire universe is only a few thousand years old, so I have to give William a lot of credit for not falling into that stereotype.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby canofhumdingers » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:41 pm

lhb412 wrote:Nothing delights me more than "boomer" becoming an insult.


Why? Is the blatant hypocrisy just not apparent enough? Isn’t that the kind of thing that liberally leaning people have historically railed against? Using a derogatory term to generalize and dehumanize an entire people group for a trait (in this case, when they were born) they have no control over?
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:18 pm

^ It's funny because there's such a mythology that's built up around that generation (that, in my experience, many members buy into to various degrees of self importance) that using it as a term of utter dismissiveness is just... really funny. It gives me a hearty chuckle.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby canofhumdingers » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:15 pm

Hmm, I guess I don’t know of any mythology about the boomers. Maybe their parents (the “Greatest Generation”), but then I’d argue that title was earned and deserved.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:43 pm

It's a response to Millennials constantly getting spoken down to and insulted by the same Boomers that caused, uh, well, most of the problems that are now threatening to end the world as we know it. Obviously it's gross oversimplification for the sake of humor - my dad's a boomer and he's super chill and very left-leaning - but I would say it speaks to a greater truth.

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Relevant to the movie this thread is ostensibly about, the one thing that does kind of annoy me is Banno's attitude towards the younger generation and his portrayal thereof comes off as dismissive, especially given how much political and social change is borne out of youth movements, much like is happening now.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby lhb412 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:03 pm

^ But it might be a cogent commentary on the youth counterculture of the time: big ideals that they failed to live up to and would eventually betray totally.

... look up their birthdays: the kids in Godzilla vs. Hedorah are boomers!
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:12 pm

lhb412 wrote:^ But it might be a cogent commentary on the youth counterculture of the time: big ideals that they failed to live up to and would eventually betray totally.

... look up their birthdays: the kids in Godzilla vs. Hedorah are boomers!


HA! Well okay then, boomers.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:51 pm

‘Untold human suffering’: 11,000 scientists from across world unite to declare global climate emergency

The thing that really gets me about this movie is how people look at it as some cute, "don't pollute!" parable of a bygone age, when really it was a dire situation that basically had some cosmetic work done so we could ignore it and now here we are on the brink of an apocalypse because the deeper issues were never truly addressed.

People want to pretend this franchise is apolitical but those people need to grow up.
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Re: TALKBACK #11: Godzilla vs. Hedorah

Postby tbeasley » Mon Nov 11, 2019 3:57 pm

I typed this up then realized 'no politics' but thought I'd share it anyway...
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Yeah Apolitical people/centrists/moderates are harmful because they seem to believe public opinion on important matters/human rights issues will just magically heal for the better over time without anyone fighting or pushing for that change, when more often than not they allow right-wingers to continue with their hateful, destructive rhetoric. And for a lot of these people if you do care or fight for constructive change you're just a SJW and all that.
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