Kong Did Win

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Postby O.Supreme » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:48 pm

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mbozzo wrote: The fact that Godzilla didn't come up didn't mean that he has died. It mean that he lost...


The Mosasuar didn't "come up" either after taking the Indominus down with it in Jurassic World, pretty sure it didn't "lose" though...just sayin'... :wink: .


Apples and oranges. The I. Rex didn't come up either...


But if you've seen Fallen Kingdom, you clearly know who won. After KK vs G, its inconclusive, since both creatures simply ceased fighting and left, and clearly lived on. I was just confirming the erroneous notion many fans have that Kong simply surfacing made him the clear winner, which isn't true.
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Re: Kong Did Win

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Re: Kong Did Win

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 12:30 am

I guess Toho's official press release is also erroneous.
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Re: Kong Did Win

Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:21 am

I was talking to O.Supreme's teacher at his school and she was showing me some of his schoolwork.
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Just kidding. :P
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Re: Kong Did Win

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:48 am

I mean, you can mentally justify it however you want, obviously.

For me, I had ALWAYS considered it a tie. From the time I first saw the movie until I first heard any theory about alternate endings or anything like that (which was like a good...ten years? maybe more) I watched the movie from the time I was like, 4 until I was 14 thinking "they tumbled into the ocean and it was a tie." I grew up also watching Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster, and Godzilla's Revenge and remember Minya saying Godzilla is strong underwater...so like, I personally always just considered it a tie.

To this day, I kinda still do.


But that doesn't change the facts. And the FACT is Toho and Honda intended it as Godzilla having lost. I'm fine with that. My enjoyment of a character and sense of his worth aren't tied to the outcomes of fictional fights.
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Postby O.Supreme » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:43 am

jellydonut25 wrote: For me, I had ALWAYS considered it a tie. From the time I first saw the movie until I first heard any theory about alternate endings or anything like that (which was like a good...ten years? maybe more) I watched the movie from the time I was like, 4 until I was 14 thinking "they tumbled into the ocean and it was a tie." I grew up also watching Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster, and Godzilla's Revenge and remember Minya saying Godzilla is strong underwater...so like, I personally always just considered it a tie.

To this day, I kinda still do


Exactly, and that's always been my stance, nothing more.


jellydonut25 wrote: But that doesn't change the facts. And the FACT is Toho and Honda intended it as Godzilla having lost. I'm fine with that. My enjoyment of a character and sense of his worth aren't tied to the outcomes of fictional fights.


Also Agreed. All I'm saying is that words matter 8) . If you ask ME who won in KK vs G, I'd say it was a draw. If you ask me "Who does Toho say won" I'd say *Kong, according to what they have in print*...

Again, if you look back through the thread, I'm not some mindless Godzilla apologist who believes he never lost. These are all fictional movies after all. He's lost numerous times, and won even more. Some battles, and outcomes are kind of dumb, and some are spectacularly awesome.

The Giant Pacific Octopus wrote:I was talking to O.Supreme's teacher at his school and she was showing me some of his schoolwork.


That would be quite an achievement. My Kindergarten teacher was old when I was in her class 37 years ago, pretty sure she has long since left this world.
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Re: Kong Did Win

Postby The Giant Pacific Octopus » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:51 am

That book (Toho Films Vol 8, where Toho stated that King Kong won) went up for auction recently

https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/movie-posters/foreign/toho-films-vol-8-toho-1963-japanese-program-66-pages-575-x-825-foreign/a/161813-51442.s

That Auction site had a whole bunch of those catalogue books on auction.

Here's Toho Films Vol 9

https://movieposters.ha.com/itm/movie-posters/foreign/toho-films-vol-9-and-other-lot-toho-1963-japanese-program-36-pages-6-x-825-and-photo-9-and-11-foreign/a/161813-51444.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115

It seems Toho would usually give away the endings when they wrote up the synopsis for thier films.

Here's Rodan
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and the Kurasawa film Sanjuro
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Here's Invasion of the Astro Monster
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Although they don't reveal the outcome of the monster battle. Just that the X aliens are defeated.
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