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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby Jinzo Ningen » Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:31 pm

Maybe... and this is a BIG maybe... give audiences a 'villain' Godzilla in this upcoming film. As many here have stated, one of the big draws to this character was watching him smash cities and seeing throngs of terrified people fleeing in all directions. It's one of the classic tropes that is in almost every one of his movies. But woefully missing in the Legendary flicks. Have Charlie Dance's character somehow gain control of Godzilla and 'turn him' to the Dark Side for half the flick. We get to see the Big G smash and destroy and simultaneously get a valid reason for Kong to come and put the smackdown on him... and then (thanks to Monarch intervention) the control is eliminated or destroyed amidst some larger looming threat and the two giants are forced to cooperate in order to vanquish... whatever it is. Not a perfect plot, but it would be a solid way to shoehorn in the evil Godzilla aspect so sadly lacking in the Legendary version thus far.
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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby The Shadow » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:30 pm

Jinzo Ningen wrote:Maybe... and this is a BIG maybe... give audiences a 'villain' Godzilla in this upcoming film. As many here have stated, one of the big draws to this character was watching him smash cities and seeing throngs of terrified people fleeing in all directions. It's one of the classic tropes that is in almost every one of his movies. But woefully missing in the Legendary flicks. Have Charlie Dance's character somehow gain control of Godzilla and 'turn him' to the Dark Side for half the flick. We get to see the Big G smash and destroy and simultaneously get a valid reason for Kong to come and put the smackdown on him... and then (thanks to Monarch intervention) the control is eliminated or destroyed amidst some larger looming threat and the two giants are forced to cooperate in order to vanquish... whatever it is. Not a perfect plot, but it would be a solid way to shoehorn in the evil Godzilla aspect so sadly lacking in the Legendary version thus far.


A couple years ago I had the notion that there could an evil kaiju investigatory group -- they could even call the group Red Bamboo and have it begin as a group that broke off from Monarch. It could work well with your idea of someone controlling Godzilla and causing destruction with him. We know Monarch as been around since the 70s, so it's entirely possible that someone left Monarch on bad terms over the years intent on controlling the daikaiju/Titans for their own ends.

One thing I would have liked to see in the Monsterverse movies by now is MASER cannons. We know that Monarch has been researching Titans/kaiju since the mid-70s at least, that should include means for humans to defend against such creatures. The MASER cannon has long been a staple of Toho's Godzilla movies, and it seems a glaring omission in Legendary's movies. Yes, I would have liked to have seen in MASERs in G'14, but I can give the film a pass. Though certainly by the events of G:KOTM '19 Monarch should have had some form of MASER cannon available.
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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby XvGojira » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:51 pm

The Shadow wrote:One thing I would have liked to see in the Monsterverse movies by now is MASER cannons. We know that Monarch has been researching Titans/kaiju since the mid-70s at least, that should include means for humans to defend against such creatures. The MASER cannon has long been a staple of Toho's Godzilla movies, and it seems a glaring omission in Legendary's movies. Yes, I would have liked to have seen in MASERs in G'14, but I can give the film a pass. Though certainly by the events of G:KOTM '19 Monarch should have had some form of MASER cannon available.



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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby The Shadow » Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:10 am

Bummer about the MASER cannon not being used. I guess you could say the filmmakers had a Chekov's MASER cannon.
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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby Henry88 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:59 pm

Final Godzilla: King of the Monsters Total Redeems Film's 'Flop' Reputation
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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:24 pm

...it was a flop.

In addition to just outright not making that much money (it's currently 14th on the charts for the year and will probably finish around 20), it was a sizable DOMESTIC flop, coming in at 17th on the year for domestic box office, and garnering a much bigger chunk of its box office from overseas than most of the movies above it. Only Hobbs & Shaw and Alita (and technically that one Chinese movie...but THEN AGAIN...TECHNICALLY all of that movie's profits are domestic...)

It flopped, it was a disappointment, and Legendary/WB's hesitation in doing anything thus far to promote Godzilla vs Kong shows that they're pretty much ready to just throw it out there and cut their losses.
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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby Benjamin Haines » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:33 pm

Yeah, there's no point in pretending that Godzilla: King of the Monsters wasn't a box office flop.

Comicbook,com wrote:But while it did seem like a flop, for all intents and purposes, the final box office total seems to redeem this classification. With over $385 million USD earned worldwide, and with its reported budget of around $170 million USD (via EW), the film is more of an outright "disappointment" than a total flop.

No, that's a flop, and the EW article in the link even labels G:KotM one of this Summer's box office losers. Its $385.9m worldwide total is only 2.27x its $170m production budget, well short of the standard 2.5x break-even threshold and far from turning a profit.

G:KotM couldn't even top $400m worldwide. For comparison, GINO made $379m worldwide in 1998, when ticket prices were much lower, 3-D and IMAX premiums weren't a factor and the international market was much smaller.

Both GINO ($379m worldwide, 2.91x its $130m budget) and G'14 ($529m worldwide, 3.3x its $160m budget) are examples of movies that were box office disappointments without being flops. They both made enough money to turn profits on their budgets but they both failed to catch on with moviegoers and flamed out quickly. G:KotM had the same weak box office legs but it also failed to turn a profit on its budget. It's a flop.

jellydonut25 wrote:In addition to just outright not making that much money ... it was a sizable DOMESTIC flop,

This especially. G:KotM's international haul was only 16% lower than that of G14 but its domestic downturn was a sharp 45% drop from its predecessor. If G:KotM had only made 16% less than G'14 domestically, it would have reached $168m in North America, the same as Kong: Skull Island. That actually would have brought its worldwide total to $443m, or 2.6x its budget, and it probably would have just barely broken even. It's fair to say that G:KotM flopped because domestic moviegoers lost interest so drastically.

GINO sold 29 million tickets in North America back in 1998 while Legendary's reboot sold 24 million tickets in 2014. Domestically, King of the Monsters sold only 12 million tickets. It's great that Godzilla can put 12 million butts in seats in 2019 but that's not enough to justify a huge $170m budget.
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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Thu Aug 29, 2019 9:08 pm

R.I.P Monsterverse.

However I didn't like KoTM so... don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Unless Kong vs. Godzilla on name alone can pull off a Hail Mary, the US franchise is done.
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Re: the Godzilla box office guessing game.

Postby mr.negativity » Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:35 am

THR 8/24/2019:
Japan Box Office Boom Fueled by Free Time and Rising Wages
Gavin J. Blair wrote:The combination of strong performances from Disney (which has long been strong in Japan and now includes Fox) and local giant Toho is driving the market, says Aya Umezu, founder and CEO of movie marketing and data analysis firm Gem Partners.

Toho was even more dominant than usual, posting record first-half box office of $392 million (¥41.3 billion), up 39 percent on 2019, and July up a whopping 122 percent. Adding to its always strong domestic slate were two Hollywood remakes of IP it has strong connections to, Pokemon: Detective Pikachu and Godzilla: King of the Monsters, which took $27 million and $25.4 million, respectively, making Japan their second-biggest international markets to China by a wide margin.



The Federalist August 23, 2019:
The 15 Biggest Box Office Bombs Of Summer 2019
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4. Godzilla: King of the Monsters

In 2014, a new version of this generations-old monster was a massive hit. This time around they did everything bigger (more than a dozen monsters??) and more widespread. The result was more carnage than capital. This version trudged its way to a $110 million total, when the last film made nearly that amount in its opening weekend. Foreign sales were stronger, but it is tough to see how this will end up turning a profit, which is surprising given the strength of the source material.
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