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GODZILLA: KotM SPOILERS AND SPECULATION

PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:25 pm
by lhb412
With so many leaks, legitimate or otherwise, and with no doubt many shot-by-shot appraisals of the footage we'll get that try to extrapolate the entire plot from said footage yet to come... I just thought it was a good idea to have a non spoiler section, a place for vague non-specific hype for this movie. Maybe a place to post posters and news and other non-specific bits of the movie's pre-release hype in the next nine and a half months to enjoy the hype without having the entire plot spoiled!

To start off: I am very excited about this movie. The monsters look great. It looks like a 60s Godzilla movie with a modern Hollywood budget and that's very exciting. Heck, in a little less than 10 months everyone in America is going to know who Mothra is! It's going to be rad.

EDITED BY MOD: THIS IS NOW THE SPOILER THREAD.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:59 am
by Gwangi
Yes, everyone will know all of these monsters come May 2019. I am curious how they will pronounce their names. Godzilla and Mothra are obvious. For me, my preferred pronunciation for Ghidrah was how he was called just that in "Ghidrah, The Three-Headed Monster", "Monster Zero" and "Destroy All Monsters" (AIP version). Of course, everyone else is referring to him as GHI-DOR-AH, and I really believe that is how he will be called in this movie. I've also heard others say GAA-DORR-AH.

Yes, Rodan has been different as well. In Japan is a RA-DON. In the 1956 feature, he was RO-DON (even Nick Adams referred him to that in "Monster Zero"). Everywhere else is RO-DAN (my preference).

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:17 am
by lhb412
^ It's funny to think that so many of our pronunciations in this franchise were really dependent on the quick, dirty work of Australians in Hong Kong trying to sound American!

Honestly, I've heard them all pronounced it seems two or three different ways all my life, so I'm not going to get fussy now. I suppose I like the 'Ghee-da-rah' pronunciation over the 'Ghee-door-ah' one... but now that I think about it, maybe the best sounding one is somewhere between the two?

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:32 am
by GFan
Didn't they change RA-don to RO-dan in the U.S. because of a popular dish soap at the time or something similar? I can't remember where I heard/read that.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:00 pm
by eabaker
GFan wrote:Didn't they change RA-don to RO-dan in the U.S. because of a popular dish soap at the time or something similar? I can't remember where I heard/read that.


It was because of the radioactive element radon. Odd coincidence: miners suffer a particular danger of radon poisoning.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:02 pm
by eabaker
Gwangi wrote:In the 1956 feature, he was RO-DON (even Nick Adams referred him to that in "Monster Zero").


To my ears, Adams is saying "Radon," but his pronunciation ends up kind of reducing the "a" to an aspiration, so it comes out like "R'dawn."

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 2:42 pm
by lhb412
eabaker wrote:
GFan wrote:Didn't they change RA-don to RO-dan in the U.S. because of a popular dish soap at the time or something similar? I can't remember where I heard/read that.


It was because of the radioactive element radon. Odd coincidence: miners suffer a particular danger of radon poisoning.


I've read both, the most common one is that it was because of the soap.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:06 pm
by eabaker
lhb412 wrote:
eabaker wrote:
GFan wrote:Didn't they change RA-don to RO-dan in the U.S. because of a popular dish soap at the time or something similar? I can't remember where I heard/read that.


It was because of the radioactive element radon. Odd coincidence: miners suffer a particular danger of radon poisoning.


I've read both, the most common one is that it was because of the soap.


Huh. I don't recall ever seeing that.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:01 pm
by lhb412
Would they really care if the name of their science fiction movie shared a name with a radioactive element? The idea that it was to avoid association with a popular brand name makes more sense to me.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 9:54 pm
by eabaker
lhb412 wrote:Would they really care if the name of their science fiction movie shared a name with a radioactive element? The idea that it was to avoid association with a popular brand name makes more sense to me.


A radioactive element that has a history of poisoning people in their homes the United States.

However, a little research tells me that a lot of the media attention to radon came later than I had first realized.

The trailer's color contrast makes me think Rodan is evil.

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:55 pm
by TerranigmaFreak
This is purely speculation on my part.

I'm sure everyone noticed the trailer's color palette. It's blue and gold/orange. These colors are used in movie posters a lot. Look it up if you don't know about it. The point is, these 2 colors are in contrast to each other, but in the case of this movie, also represents the 2 sides. Blue to represent Godzilla's breath, and the orange and gold for Ghidorah. If you watch the Mothra scenes, you'll notice it's also blue. However, if you look at the Rodan scenes, it's all orange and gold. Even Rodan itself is orange in color, the opposite of Mothra.

I'm speculating that Rodan is not an ally, and might be on Ghidorah's side making it a 2 V 2 movie rather than 3 against 1.

Re: The trailer's color contrast makes me think Rodan is evi

PostPosted: Thu Aug 09, 2018 11:15 pm
by Gentleman
That level of turncoattery hasn't been seen since Paul Orndorff leveled Hulk Hogan.

Re: The trailer's color contrast makes me think Rodan is evi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 9:47 am
by Outkaster
I hope it doesn't take place all at night. They did that with Pacific Rim, then the second one was totally the opposite. They need to find a good balance.

Re: The trailer's color contrast makes me think Rodan is evi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:03 am
by jellydonut25
We see some daylight/twilight shots in the trailer (Rodan is definitely flying around in the daylight). Plus, I have a feeling Mothra is going to be there to give a brightness to the proceedings.

I think Skull Island struck a DECENT balance. I wouldn't worry TOO much. I think I'm only worried about getting a really good look at Ghidorah...the MONARCH site describes him as being able to create literal hurricanes and thunderstorms with him just by existing. That makes me think he'll be shrouded in clouds and rain and lightning the entire time. But again, I'm hoping Mothra's "god rays" have something to say about that.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:41 pm
by canofhumdingers
I hope they don’t go with the “Ghi-DOOR-uh” pronunciation. I’ve always hated the way it sounds. I’d much prefer they just use the proper Japanese pronunciation “GHEE-do-rah”. You don’t have to say it with a Japanese accent for it to sound good. I’d also be ok with the original American “GHEE-drah”, though I don’t really see that happening.

As for Rodan, “RO-dan” where “dan” sounds like “Daniel” would be my preference.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:49 pm
by eabaker
canofhumdingers wrote:As for Rodan, “RO-dan” where “dan” sounds like “Daniel” would be my preference.


This is a tough one for me, because on the one hand that's how the name has traditionally been pronounced in English, and forcing something else might come off a little pretentious; but, on the other hand, it relies on a vowel sound that doesn't really exist in Japanese.

Re: The trailer's color contrast makes me think Rodan is evi

PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:54 pm
by TerranigmaFreak
jellydonut25 wrote:We see some daylight/twilight shots in the trailer (Rodan is definitely flying around in the daylight). Plus, I have a feeling Mothra is going to be there to give a brightness to the proceedings.

I think Skull Island struck a DECENT balance. I wouldn't worry TOO much. I think I'm only worried about getting a really good look at Ghidorah...the MONARCH site describes him as being able to create literal hurricanes and thunderstorms with him just by existing. That makes me think he'll be shrouded in clouds and rain and lightning the entire time. But again, I'm hoping Mothra's "god rays" have something to say about that.


The Washington DC shot has Rodan being chased by the military in the middle of a thunderstorm.

Hmmm... more fuel to the fire?

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2018 10:31 am
by canofhumdingers
That’s true. I’d be ok with “roh-DAHN” too, although something about it does indeed sound pretentious.

Yeah, I think RO-dan works better.

Or you could possibly go with “RO-dahn”, where it sounds like the traditional English version (with emphasis on the first syllable) but the “a” is pronounced more like a Japanese “ah” sound rather than “Daniel”.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:45 pm
by Benjamin Haines
lhb412 wrote:With so many leaks, legitimate or otherwise, and with no doubt many shot-by-shot appraisals of the footage we'll get that try to extrapolate the entire plot from said footage yet to come... I just thought it was a good idea to have a non spoiler section, a place for vague non-specific hype for this movie. Maybe a place to post posters and news and other non-specific bits of the movie's pre-release hype in the next nine and a half months to enjoy the hype without having the entire plot spoiled!


Since most users probably aren't interested in reading potential plot spoilers before seeing the film, maybe this thread should be sectioned off for "Godzilla: KotM (2019) Plot Speculation & Spoilers" so the majority can continue to check the non-spoiler main thread.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:32 pm
by lhb412
^ That sounds good. Do ya think we should make a new thread or have the old one renamed?

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:06 pm
by Kailem
Yeah I'll watch trailers but I have no interest in reading or searching out spoilers, either real or potentially real. I was definitely getting worried that I might see something I didn't want to when so many of the recent posts in the other thread seemed to be talking about leaked stuff from test screenings (especially since when those sort of spoiler conversations go on for any amount of time someone always just ends up dropping the tags and talking about stuff out in the open. I've seen it happen time and time again on many different forums).

As for pronunciations, I've always pronounced it "Ghi-DOOR-ah", even though I kinda know that's not technically correct. :P I just prefer how it sounds compared to "GHEE-do-rah". Rodan's just "Ro-dan" for me though. Aint no "dahn"'s about it!

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:42 pm
by DannyBeane
I will go to my grave saying Ghidrah and Rodan.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:09 pm
by JordanGLC
DannyBeane wrote:I will go to my grave saying Ghidrah and Rodan.

Preach.

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:59 am
by william newell
JordanGLC wrote:
DannyBeane wrote:I will go to my grave saying Ghidrah and Rodan.

Preach.


Can I get an Amen??!! :D

Re: The no-spoilers Godzilla: KotM (2019) thread

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:51 pm
by Benjamin Haines
lhb412 wrote:^ That sounds good. Do ya think we should make a new thread or have the old one renamed?


I'd say just keep the main 82-page thread as it is and rename this thread as "Godzilla: KotM (2019) Plot Speculation & Spoilers" and maybe merge this one with the "Is Rodan evil?" thread since it fits the speculation bill.