MonsterVerse Mothra

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MonsterVerse Mothra

Postby lhb412 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:30 pm

I find myself, as is often the case, thinking about Mothra - more specifically how Mothra will appear in a major, Hollywood motion picture in less than two years time.

I should think it isn't a spoiler and that we've all watched the end of Kong: Skull Island and seen the cave painting of Mothra with attending human worshippers, and if you look at the Godzilla 2 thread you've seen -

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possible confirmation from a member of this board as well as an imdb credit that the movie will feature some sort of "ancient temple" set - which we're all assuming is Mothra related.


I'm very happy with these developments. When Godzilla '14 came out, Gareth was still in charge and all indications were that further films would continue that film's specific tone (which I actually really liked, don't get me wrong) I was positive that Mothra would loose this mystical element and just be some sort of big bug, a simple MUTO from the same radioactive era that Godzilla is from. I felt that was depressing. Mothra is mystical, Mothra is colorful. My hopes were raised when Dougherty was announced as director because his films are committed to supernatural elements and I felt (still feel) that the sky's the limited in terms of how much craziness we'll be able to get.

I love the idea of Mothra having temples and worshippers because that's something I've missed in the last few decades. We've seen temples, but they almost seem like set dressing for the fairy twins, who have superseded all other elements from Mothra. In the original films Mothra has worshippers and the Shobijin are her priestesses. In newer films it's just the fairies and they seem like her talent agent.

In terms of design I'll allow a lot of leeway. Mothra looked a certain way in the Showa movies, is a plush version of that in the Heisei movies, goes through a series of bizarre and toyetic transformations in the Mothra trilogy, then she's a strange wasp/moth thing, then Mothra kinda looks like the '60s Mothra again... we've been on a journey with Mothra's designs. I just hope it has color and looks something like a moth or butterfly. To me the supernatural, mystical element and going through the transformation from caterpillar to adult, winged version is much more important than fidelity to past designs. What Mothra does, to me, is more important than what Mothra looks like.

... though, come to think of it, the differences in effects techniques between the '60s films made for an interesting discrepancy: in the original Mothra movie the larva is this huge costume with multiple performers inside and that made the larva Mothra in the original film feel like this huge juggernaut and in the rest of the movies from that era it's this small puppet and dwarfed by Godzilla and the other monsters and feels, in comparison, like a little bug. I kinda want to get the juggernaut feel back for the caterpillar.

And as for the Shobijin... I've softened my stance here. I used to say you had to have them, that Mothra and the Shobijin are a package deal and you can't have one without the other. Now I don't necessarily believe that's true. Don't get me wrong; I'd love for them to show up in Godzilla 2, I'd love for the Mothra song to appear, and if I was making the movie you can bet they'd end up in there, but they're no longer deal breakers for me. It matters more to me that Mothra has this mystical background and that she's not a simple rampaging beast but has some sort of purpose. Using that in new ways is just as interesting to me as bringing in the Shobijin. I'd dig Mothra having some sort of psychic connection to humans, allowing for a degree of communication, for example. Something like the '90s Gamera or how Mothra appeared in dreams and visions to communicate to the human characters in Marc Cerasini's Godzilla novels would be dandy.

Anyway, what are your thoughts/hopes/dreams/fears about Mothra making the transition into Legendary's MonsterVerse?
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Re: MonsterVerse Mothra

Postby The Shadow » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:25 pm

I have to say that you hit the nail on the head as far as my thoughts on Mothra of the MonsterVerse. Reducing Mothra to a simple big bug would have been disheartening, so the K:SI cave painting was very encouraging. I do also agree that while I'd love for the Shobijin/Cosmos to be properly in the movie, it also is not a deal breaker for me. At the very least the K:SI indicates that Mothra has some sort of passive interaction if not out right friendly interaction with humans in the relatively recent past.

It's too bad that both Emi Itō and Yumi Itō have passed away, it would have been great to see them play a role of some sort; elder Shobijin/Cosmos/fairies perhaps or maybe elders of the people the know the most about Mothra (assuming or course there would be such a group).
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Re: MonsterVerse Mothra

Postby Dai » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:19 am

I could see them having twins as Mothra's priestesses, but they will be normal humans, or psychics at most. A modern audience who aren't expecting Barbie doll-sized characters would just laugh at them. All other aspects of the Shobijin are potentially still viable for a modern movie, including a summoning song. Tribal beats and ululations have become so integrated into the movie score landscape that I think it would blend in seamlessly.
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Re: MonsterVerse Mothra

Postby Gwangi » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:37 am

Dai wrote:I could see them having twins as Mothra's priestesses, but they will be normal humans, or psychics at most.


Well, you had Elizabeth Olsen in "Godzilla 14". Why not get her older twin sisters for this role! :mrgreen:
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Re: MonsterVerse Mothra

Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:21 pm

lhb412 wrote:In terms of design I'll allow a lot of leeway. Mothra looked a certain way in the Showa movies, is a plush version of that in the Heisei movies, goes through a series of bizarre and toyetic transformations in the Mothra trilogy, then she's a strange wasp/moth thing, then Mothra kinda looks like the '60s Mothra again... we've been on a journey with Mothra's designs. I just hope it has color and looks something like a moth or butterfly. To me the supernatural, mystical element and going through the transformation from caterpillar to adult, winged version is much more important than fidelity to past designs. What Mothra does, to me, is more important than what Mothra looks like.

... though, come to think of it, the differences in effects techniques between the '60s films made for an interesting discrepancy: in the original Mothra movie the larva is this huge costume with multiple performers inside and that made the larva Mothra in the original film feel like this huge juggernaut and in the rest of the movies from that era it's this small puppet and dwarfed by Godzilla and the other monsters and feels, in comparison, like a little bug. I kinda want to get the juggernaut feel back for the caterpillar.


Agreed. I'm eager to see how Legendary reimagines Mothra's appearance, especially with Godzilla and Kong turning out so well. I also want to see Mothra's larval form regain her imposing screen presence!


Dai wrote:I could see them having twins as Mothra's priestesses, but they will be normal humans, or psychics at most.


That would be cool. I can see that happening. I definitely don't expect 12-inch-tall people to become an element of Legendary's Monsterverse but I do wonder if Dougherty and co. will tackle human-kaiju communication in some way.
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Re: MonsterVerse Mothra

Postby lhb412 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:10 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:
Dai wrote:I could see them having twins as Mothra's priestesses, but they will be normal humans, or psychics at most.


That would be cool. I can see that happening. I definitely don't expect 12-inch-tall people to become an element of Legendary's Monsterverse but I do wonder if Dougherty and co. will tackle human-kaiju communication in some way.


When Millie Bobby Brown was cast I think I immediately made a comment about her playing twins.

I thought an interesting idea could be two identical girls that have this connection to Mothra - but are born on the other side of the globe from one another and have to find each other. You could probably make an entire new Mothra solo movie around that idea!
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Re: MonsterVerse Mothra

Postby mbozzo » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:47 pm

I wouldn't mind if Legendary did a solo Mothra movie before their version appear in a Legendary Godzilla movie. :wink:
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