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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Cookie » Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:55 pm

Inflation is almost pointless to discuss.... A example is G98.. If ticket prices were $10+ back then, it wouldn't have made what it did.

With the dry spell on kaiju movies in Japan, G14 did fine. GODZILLA is actually at about 30m now there as well.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Cookie » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:01 am

GODZILLA will end its run with around 31-32m in Japan. That's the highest grossing Godzilla film in Japan since GMKs 20m in 2001/2002.

GODZILLA will finish with about 520m Worldwide.

So, lets talk about GODZILLA 2 at the box office. I believe it'll end up being huge overseas, making 100-150 more than the first. In 3-4 years, Chinas market may end up being bigger than ours, and could easily make 150m there alone. Adding classic foes will help it in Japan and South Korea(which is as big a market as Japan).

The U.S will be interesting.. With inflation in 3-4 years it may end up with 200m, but I think it'll take a hit here making between 150-170. So Worldwide total I'm thinking like 600-650m for the sequel.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Legion » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:30 am

I personally think the amount of actual tickets sold for the sequel could very well be less than the first unless the film fixes the first one's issues significantly. But even then, the movie could still make more thank to four years of rising ticket prices.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gojiraknight » Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:43 pm

Legion wrote:I personally think the amount of actual tickets sold for the sequel could very well be less than the first unless the film fixes the first one's issues significantly. But even then, the movie could still make more thank to four years of rising ticket prices.


Yes, a sequel opening four years after a movie that already feels irrelevant has me concerned.

A badass trailer and marketing effort will help. Though casual moviegoers may not fall for that again.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby lhb412 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:35 pm

Maybe after new Jurassic Park and Kong and Pacific Rim films folks will be so giant monster crazy that Godzilla v. Mothra '18 will be the biggest movie ever?

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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby HannibalBarca » Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:32 pm

ha. ha. yeah sure...
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gojiraknight » Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:01 pm

lhb412 wrote:Maybe after new Jurassic Park and Kong and Pacific Rim films folks will be so giant monster crazy that Godzilla v. Mothra '18 will be the biggest movie ever?

:D


You can't argue with a $38 million opening day for a (technically) non-sequel. But that was driven by trailers and a marketing campaign that were dramatically different from the finished product. Again, I'm not sure moviegoers will "fall" for that again.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gman2887 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:11 pm

Gojiraknight wrote: Again, I'm not sure moviegoers will "fall" for that again.


If they even remember the ad campaign by then. Something tells me we're putting a little too much stock in that. Four years from now the fans will remember the skewed marketing better (and more nervously) than anyone else.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby lhb412 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:23 pm

My theory is just as worthless a piece of speculation as anyone else's, and mine scores over other, more pedestrian ones in being ridiculously positive.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby walshiam » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:27 pm

I think anything considered "dramatically different" was realized by the fans more so than the general audience. The fans that got hoodwinked, well, that's their fault. There was no hoodwink in this corner when interviews revealed that this WAS NOT a solo Godzilla picture. All my expectations were met to the fullest.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby lhb412 » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:49 pm

I have heard literally nothing about the 'false advertising' aspect of all this from any non-fans. It's a non-issue.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby HannibalBarca » Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:47 am

walshiam wrote:I think anything considered "dramatically different" was realized by the fans more so than the general audience. The fans that got hoodwinked, well, that's their fault. There was no hoodwink in this corner when interviews revealed that this WAS NOT a solo Godzilla picture. All my expectations were met to the fullest.


I was fine with there being more monsters in this film besides Godzilla. The movie lost me in that it made those monsters more important to the narrative than Godzilla himself.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Legion » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:08 am

Gman2887 wrote:
Gojiraknight wrote: Again, I'm not sure moviegoers will "fall" for that again.


If they even remember the ad campaign by then. Something tells me we're putting a little too much stock in that. Four years from now the fans will remember the skewed marketing better (and more nervously) than anyone else.


It's only four years. People don't forget things that easily. Even the mainstream hasn't forgotten how terrible GINO was, and that was 16 years ago. If there were things the audience wasn't happy about when it came to the 2014, I'm pretty sure it will still be in the back of their minds a few years from now. I saw Spider-Man 3 way back in 2007 and thought it was terrible, and I haven't forgotten anything about that awful theater experience. I think fans put too much stock in the mainstream audience conveniently "forgetting" things like this.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gojiraknight » Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:46 am

If the Godzilla 2 trailer is bait-and-switch (even effective bait-and-switch, like G2014), then I don't see casual moviegoers going for it.

It needs to be lots of Godzilla stomping ass, more appealing human characters, and a sampling mystery/conspiracy theory elements (I'm confident many casual moviegoers were sold after "Not tests. They were trying to kill it.")
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gwangi » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:02 am

Gojiraknight wrote:It needs to be lots of Godzilla stomping ass



Yes, then watch some whine about TOO much monster action, no breathing room, etc, etc. G-fans can be very fickle.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gojiraknight » Mon Sep 01, 2014 11:09 pm

Gwangi wrote:
Gojiraknight wrote:It needs to be lots of Godzilla stomping ass



Yes, then watch some whine about TOO much monster action, no breathing room, etc, etc. G-fans can be very fickle.


Not worried about the G-fans. Even if it were GINO 2, we'd still be camped out at midnight. I'm talking about getting casual moviegoers interested again.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 2:55 pm

Legion wrote:I personally think the amount of actual tickets sold for the sequel could very well be less than the first unless the film fixes the first one's issues significantly. But even then, the movie could still make more thank to four years of rising ticket prices.

Unless something changes somewhat drastically in this "sequel sequel sequel" culture of ours, I don't think that's a terribly realistic expectation, honestly. This isn't just a studio symptom, either, it's an audience thing. Nearly every sequel makes more than its predecessor these days.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby HannibalBarca » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:06 pm

Wrath of the Titans, another Legendary film heavily featuring mythical monsters and a generic beefcake lead actor, being a notable exception.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 3:20 pm

HannibalBarca wrote:Wrath of the Titans, another Legendary film heavily featuring mythical monsters and a generic beefcake lead actor, being a notable exception.

There are exceptions all over the place, but the movie-going climate of the world is ALL ABOUT the sequel these days.

I got into that a little bit on a recent podcast when we talked about all the Planet of the Apes movies. Back then, sequels were given smaller budgets, less production time, and were generally less anticipated. These days, sequels are bigger, in just about every way.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby tbeasley » Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:36 pm

It just needs to be a strong sci-fi sequel like Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Word of mouth is a powerful thing.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Sep 03, 2014 8:49 am

tbeasley wrote:It just needs to be a strong sci-fi sequel like Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Word of mouth is a powerful thing.

I was referencing the original series. If you look, just about every film in the series had half the budget of the film preceding it. The original film was a SMASH HIT...in 2014, that would GUARANTEE a sequel with a bigger budget, bigger box office take, and bigger stars. In the 60s, it meant a sequel had a smaller budget, less star power, and fewer interested movie goers.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gojiraknight » Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:21 am

tbeasley wrote:It just needs to be a strong sci-fi sequel like Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Word of mouth is a powerful thing.


For a sequel, WOM for the original film is a more powerful motivator. Rise of the Planet of the Apes was well-liked, the sequel opened higher, was even more well-liked, and continued making money.

Godzilla opened high, wasn't well-liked, and quickly faded. But, if the sequel fixes the problems of the original, and communicates that in the marketing, G2 should do fine.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Cookie » Wed Sep 03, 2014 4:59 pm

GODZILLA has ended its run in America with 200.6m. It'll end its run in Japan in a week or two with 31-32. So we'll end with just over 525m globally. Good run overall for a first of a trilogy, finishing about 25m short than KONG05, but 115m more than PACIFIC RIM.

I agree with the marketing for G2 needing to directly let the public know "you wanted more monster action, you got it" type of thing. G2 will fail hard if they do the same thing again, maybe not even getting the 3rd.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby angilas » Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:19 am

Seems like its topping off around 31M in Japan. With GoTG releasing there today I dont think it will hit 32M let alone 33.
But this is a great start to a new series of films. I mean look at all the recent films its outperformed internationally:
Sherlock Holmes
Wall-E
How to Train Your Dragon
Oz
Rio
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
The Lego Movie
The Hangover
Star Trek Into Darkness
Gladiator
The last samurai
300
The Matrices (1 2 and 3)
Oceans 11
X men 1 2 and 3

The list goes on and on.
Heck it may even pass The Simpsons Movie when the final Japanese box office numbers come in. And we all know how well The Simpsons is loved internationally. I don't see how this is anything but a great theatrical run.
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