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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:36 pm

I know personally from listening to lots of radio word of mouth hurt this movie because a lot of casual movie goers (radio personalities) that were excited for the movie expected disaster porn with Godzilla and didn't get it. Going to the movies cost a lot of money these days and people don't want to pay for a subpar experience.

I know the company has "faith" in Edwards but at the end of the day it's their money, not his and I'm pretty sure in the final 30 minutes of the movie it is going to be a nonstop focus on the monsters and not be jumping back and forth between the human drama. I'm pretty sure Godzilla was the most hyped movie of the summer and it slipped through the cracks and the people at the helm know it and I think Edwards knows it too.

*edit* I thought Edwards knew that before he made Godzilla and I was wrong. Noted.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby walshiam » Thu Sep 18, 2014 8:28 pm

Then they should have gone and seen the "disaster" that was "Transformers 4" instead (an alka-selzer may have been a good idea afterwards).
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gojiraknight » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:19 am

Gargantuan Gargantua wrote:I know personally from listening to lots of radio word of mouth hurt this movie because a lot of casual movie goers (radio personalities) that were excited for the movie expected disaster porn with Godzilla and didn't get it. Going to the movies cost a lot of money these days and people don't want to pay for a subpar experience.



You hit the nail on the head here.

The marketing made Godzilla seem like the "must-see" movie of the summer, but the final product was just another superhero flick.

Ironically, Guardians of the Galaxy, Marvel flick, took that mantle.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby daikaijusaurus » Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:57 am

One of the biggest complaints I hear from people around me is that Bryan Cranston was hardly in the movie, which I think is an exaggeration because he was in it for almost half of the movie (45 min). But nonetheless, I think if he was actually in it for the entire movie it would've done better in the box office. How much better I don't know, but it would've pleased the Bryan Cranston fans and also would've given the movie a more interesting character to follow other than the no personality ATJ.

Gojiraknight wrote:The marketing made Godzilla seem like the "must-see" movie of the summer, but the final product was just another superhero flick.


I don't know how much Tull or Edwards were involved with the marketing, if at all, but I think the marketing fooled a lot of people, including me, in believing that this was the Dark Knight of Godzilla movies, that it was going to be an amazing and emotional disaster movie with Godzilla as the ultimate disaster. Although I enjoyed the movie for what it was, I do so wish that the movie was actually what it was advertised to be, I think this would've not only helped the box office numbers but would've also generated less hate and bad word of mouth. Just my opinion.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby walshiam » Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:18 pm

Regardless of all the boo-hoo'n I think the movie holds up remarkably well after multiple viewings. Just my two cents.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gwangi » Fri Sep 19, 2014 4:36 pm

daikaijusaurus wrote:I don't know how much Tull or Edwards were involved with the marketing, if at all, but I think the marketing fooled a lot of people, including me, in believing that this was the Dark Knight of Godzilla movies, that it was going to be an amazing and emotional disaster movie with Godzilla as the ultimate disaster. Although I enjoyed the movie for what it was, I do so wish that the movie was actually what it was advertised to be, I think this would've not only helped the box office numbers but would've also generated less hate and bad word of mouth. Just my opinion.


But then again, we ALL knew there were going to be at least two more monsters involved, so how much could we have expected that Godzilla was going to be "the ultimate disaster" unless these other critters were the good guys (and after watching some of those designs beforehand, I seriously doubted they were benevolent).

When we saw Las Vegas destroyed on the trailers, we pretty much knew that was not Godzilla's doing.

Yes, marketing played a little slight of hand, but they do that in a lot of movies. This is nothing unique. They depicted disaster, and we pretty much got disaster, even if not all of it was from Godzilla. I tend to think more so, that it was the perception of some fans, that had them believe this was going to be "dark, dark, dark", "force of nature" "apocalyptic" , etc.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Cookie » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:41 pm

Man, I'm just thinking about it..in four years the box office is gonna change so much, simply because of China. Movies will have great chances of making more there than here in the states. Basically any Hollywood movie that gets released there has almost no chance of failing because of how quickly its expanding over there. G2 can easily make 150m there in 4 years. Crazy.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby HannibalBarca » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:43 pm

I honestly would not be surprised if, by the time Godzilla 2 or 3 comes out, the way that films are released in the United States has changed pretty drastically.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Cookie » Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:51 pm

http://shanghaidaily.com/business/consu ... aily.shtml

Pretty much tells you how its gonna go down by 2018. By the time G3 is released in China.... Holy crap.

Nothing will change here, besides ticket prices.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Gojiraknight » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:10 am

Gwangi wrote:
But then again, we ALL knew there were going to be at least two more monsters involved, so how much could we have expected that Godzilla was going to be "the ultimate disaster" unless these other critters were the good guys (and after watching some of those designs beforehand, I seriously doubted they were benevolent).

When we saw Las Vegas destroyed on the trailers, we pretty much knew that was not Godzilla's doing.

Yes, marketing played a little slight of hand, but they do that in a lot of movies. This is nothing unique. They depicted disaster, and we pretty much got disaster, even if not all of it was from Godzilla. I tend to think more so, that it was the perception of some fans, that had them believe this was going to be "dark, dark, dark", "force of nature" "apocalyptic" , etc.



I thought the MUTOs, being bugs smaller than than the Big G, were going to be cannon fodder for Godzilla. "Oh my God, these bug monsters are so horrible! What could possibly be worse?" *SQUISH* It would've been a cheeky way for the King to reclaim the throne from Clover, the Super 8 alien, and the other multi-armed, Alien-esque American monsters.

And I know marketing's purpose is to sell me a good movie, whether it is or not. My disappointment isn't as bad as it was with "Man of Steel", which from the trailers felt like "Gladiator" and wound up being otherwise.

But given the film universally received lukewarm word-of-mouth, and plummeted from Friday-to-Saturday, and then first weekend to 2nd, it wasn't just some fans who were expecting a dark, apocalyptic film, instead of the superhero movie we got.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby walshiam » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:54 am

I didn't see any superheroes. I saw three extremely large animals fighting for survival. When I was younger, I used to watch Lassie do the same thing when she or her owners were threatened. Does that make Lassie a superhero?
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:41 pm

walshiam wrote:Regardless of all the boo-hoo'n I think the movie holds up remarkably well after multiple viewings. Just my two cents.



This. Multiple viewings actually improved my opinion of the film, though I am quite mixed on it. It's still around the top 3rd of Godzilla movies for me.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby jamaal7 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 4:35 pm

I think that for Godzilla 2 to be successful, it needs to hit the ground running, so to speak, in terms of monster action. And just as importantly, the conspiracy element in the Monarch aspect of the film's narrative should be explored in depth. A sinister, conspiratorial international organization at the heart of the human narrative, if written correctly and acted convincingly, could be an exciting element for the next film. Accordingly, I believe Ken Watanabe and Sally Hawkins should reprise their roles as Ishiro Serizawa and Vivienne Graham. I would like to see someone else added as a main Monarch-based character. I don't think we need a family-based drama as a sub-story again. The Monarch organization, with it's origins decades ago at the dawn of the Atomic age has a lot of material that could be mined for exciting, compelling subplots. When there are conspiracies, there is also so much to be concealed, and so much that requires willful malfeasance ,and the silent compliance of vested interests. If done right, with imagination, using perhaps, flashbacks and historical footage, Monarch could be a very interesting plot point.

As for the kaiju, the named monsters, being airborne, have a great potential for creating immense havoc. I think of high winds, cyclone-like in nature, in addition to the damage that would result from their attacks. And perhaps, in this film, Godzilla is not the friend he was against the MUTOs. In any event, he's going to up against a lot. A key element will be explaining, in a way that is convincing, but novel, the motivation of the attacking kaiju. I would like to see shocking, stunning visuals. And I'm not just talking about the visual effects. I mean in terms of plot twists and turns of events. Godzilla 2 should be truly scary.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby walshiam » Sat Sep 20, 2014 5:41 pm

Sounds like an X-Files episode with kaiju.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby jamaal7 » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:51 pm

walshiam wrote:Sounds like an X-Files episode with kaiju.


Maybe.

I want more in the way of thrilling, giant monster ferocity. But, I would also like to see a plot with some twists and surprises. A little irony would be good too. Especially if it involves well-established characters (Serizawa and Graham). I would like to see Monarch at the center of a story that is geo-political in nature, but, without too much exposition. It would be satisfying to this fan to see the next Godzilla be truly global in scale. I think parts of the story should take place in East Asia, including China, especially if King Ghidorah is one of the kaiju this time around.

Shanghai, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Osaka, Taipei, Seoul: all great venues for giant monster battles. Some of them taking place at sea.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:36 pm

BTW, so how did this movie do in Japan?
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Henry88 » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:47 pm

TerranigmaFreak wrote:BTW, so how did this movie do in Japan?


$29,930,046

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?pa ... la2012.htm
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:12 pm

Henry88 wrote:
TerranigmaFreak wrote:BTW, so how did this movie do in Japan?


$29,930,046

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?pa ... la2012.htm


That's about as good as the Heisei Films did at their best. Pretty solid really.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:55 pm

Excellent, looks like there's a future for Godzilla in Japan as well.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:44 pm

With Big Hero 6 and The Hobbit both poised to surpass Godzilla's $200.6 million total at the domestic box office, the Big G will ultimately be the #12 top-grossing movie of the year in North America. That's right in the same ballpark as last year's high-profile disaster/creature feature, World War Z ($202m gross, #13 rank for the year). Not too shabby considering what heavy competition it faced from X-Men: Days of Future Past the week after it opened.

Overall, this was a below-average year for the domestic box office in general, with no movie managing to break $400 million. The last time that happened was 2011, which also had only two films that broke $300 million, the final Harry Potter and the third Transformers, both of which still significantly outperformed this year's Guardians of the Galaxy and Mockingjay Part 1. The last time the highest-grossing movie of the year landed in the $330m range was Spider-Man 3 in 2007.

This year also marked the first time in 25 years that July was not the highest-grossing cumulative month of the year. Additionally, with the exception of Guardians of the Galaxy, no summer 2014 release was able to outgross Captain America: The Winter Soldier, a springtime blockbuster that ended up outshining every movie that opened from May through July. It's been an unusual year at the domestic box office, to say the least.
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Pkmatrix » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:41 am

Benjamin Haines wrote:With Big Hero 6 and The Hobbit both poised to surpass Godzilla's $200.6 million total at the domestic box office, the Big G will ultimately be the #12 top-grossing movie of the year in North America. That's right in the same ballpark as last year's high-profile disaster/creature feature, World War Z ($202m gross, #13 rank for the year). Not too shabby considering what heavy competition it faced from X-Men: Days of Future Past the week after it opened.


And even then, the movie is just BARELY being squeezed out of the Top 10. Big Hero 6 beat Godzilla by only about $800,000 and ASM2 did better by only about $2.1 Million. Had Godzilla made just $3 Million more it would've made it into the Top 10. Not too shabby at all! :)
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Re: Box Office Discussion

Postby Cookie » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:31 pm

GODZILLA added 4m more to its foreign total, for a global total of 528. I'm guessing its last minute numbers from countries that hadn't reported in a while.
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