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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Cookie » Wed May 21, 2014 6:55 pm

So when will WB it LP make a formal announcement? It kinda sorta was, but it would be nice to hear it from Tull, saying that yeah its happening and Gareth will be back.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Jorzilla » Wed May 21, 2014 7:33 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:Masers in a sequel could be cool. Dip our toes into the waters of truly insane military stuff like Super Xes, Gotengos, Mechagodzillas, etc, etc.

Slowly ramp us up to that, showing humanity's ever-increasing military response to a world in which kaiju exist.


Yeah, just expanding on that, I wrote something similar back in the Part III thread back in December. I think it still applies
One thing that isn't immediately obvious in individual Godzilla films, but it's obvious when you watch chunks of similar chronological films is the acceleration in human development due to the kaiju threat.

If you focus on the Showa films, you have Godzilla - Ghidrah where the humans are basically using standard technology to fight monsters, and losing. By Monster Zero you see the first large leap in technology where humans are using super fast rockets to get to Planet X, and you see the starts of future tech with the brain wave scramblers which appear to be the starting tech or template for Maser Cannons. If you continue down the Showa line in real time you get to War of the Gargantuas where humans are truly using future weapons in the Masers. If you jump to Destroy all Monsters you can readily see how much contact with Planet X has rapidly advanced human technology until the point where monsters are no longer a real threat (until they are simultaneously released).

Heisei followed a similar progression. Godzilla 1985 had super weapons in the form of Laser/Maser cannons, and the Super X. With Biollante you saw the the introduction of TRUE Maser Cannons and the Super X 2. After Mecha King Ghidorah came back from the future, the humans obviously reverse engineered technology because in Godzilla vs. Mothra you start seeing rotar-less helicopters which sound like TIE-fighters. The development of MG and MOGERA follow in the years after.

My point is: Pacific Rim followed a similar structure but condensed. The threat of giant monsters is a huge motivator for governments to pool resources in tech/weapon development which would probably eclipse what you'd see in the Lunar Race.

I hope Godzilla 2014 follows something similar, maybe akin to SHIELD in the Avengers. Secret organizations studied giant monsters and created ways to contain outbreaks. After the appearance of much larger monsters, the public rallied behind these organizations to create weapons to protect human population. This ties nicely into Gareth's comments on a sequel to Godzilla being akin to Destroy all Monsters. My ideal movie progression would be as follows in terms of tech is as follows:

1. Godzilla 2014 - Humans are helpless and rely on conventional tech to fight monsters. Basically succeed in driving monsters away after long, drawn out battles (or until the monster gets bored and leaves).

2. Godzilla 2014 Sequel - Introduction of Maser Cannons.

3. One of 2 more films with advancing technology/change tone of film.

4. First Mech is built. I would love to see a US take on Mechagodzilla.

I don't think every film needs to be a sombre affair. People will get bored of the franchise if it doesn't turn more 'actiony' in the long run. This film should be treated as a reset of expectations around Godzilla. Subsequent films can get into more of the 'VS' aspect of the franchise.

Obviously no sequels are confirmed, but a man can dream, can't he?



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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby planetxleader » Thu May 22, 2014 1:20 am

You know, real talk, if Anguirus is among the monsters purchased, I kind of see him and/or Rodan emerging as fellow "buds" of Godzilla, to keep going with the family theme from the first film.

Maybe Anguirus appears and rather than battle Godzilla, he's just sort of like "wassup," and they have a pretty chill coexistence with each other. It's like Godzilla, who's probably been alone for the past sixty years, now has some fellow monsters to hang out with, monsters who aren't natural enemies like the Mutos were.

I would die with happiness if they made "Godzilla and Anguirus: buds 4 lyfe" canon.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby The Shadow » Thu May 22, 2014 2:04 am

The interesting thing about the MUTOs is that they would really be enemies to pretty much all the daikaiju from their original era. So if another MUTO is found it would be well within the world Legendary has started building for Anguirus or any of the others to team-up and squash some MUTOs.


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The Shadow wrote:If we get to see more ancient remains in the sequel, it'd be pretty cool if one of them just happened to be a massive turtle shell. Just as a neat Easter egg for the fans of the genre.


Kamoebas?
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Oh man, I completely forgot about Kamoebas. I was thinking of a quick nod to Gamera but a Kamoebas appearance would be cool, not sure how best to work him in though.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby XvGojira » Thu May 22, 2014 2:40 am

planetxleader wrote:I would die with happiness if they made "Godzilla and Anguirus: buds 4 lyfe" canon.


Yes yes YES! The end of the next movie should be them walking out into the ocean as the sun sets/rises having just defeated another monster, they fist bump, it freeze frames and Eye of the Tiger plays as the credits roll. Perfect freaking ending.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Cookie » Thu May 22, 2014 7:09 am

Well, I can see it.... Anguirus and Godzilla are good buddies... Then the enemy of the movie kills Anguirus, which sets off Godzilla. Godzilla and Anguirus lived on "Monster Island". I can easily see them going this route. Edwards said he would love to do a Monster Island type DOM film... But I still wouldn't put more than 4 or 5 in the next one. I think were getting Mothra regardless in the next one so...
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu May 22, 2014 10:52 am

Angilas and Godzilla - Kaiju Bros, has to happen.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu May 22, 2014 11:57 am

I'd actually rather see Godzilla fight Anguirus.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Pkmatrix » Thu May 22, 2014 12:41 pm

More thoughts on how long until Part 2!

It occurred to me today that maybe the best way to estimate how long would be to see how long it takes for Legendary Pictures specifically, since they're the ones making it, to produce a sequel. Since 2005, Legendary has produced six sequels and one in-house reboot: The Dark Knight, The Hangover Part II, Wrath of the Titans, The Dark Knight Rises, The Hangover Part III, Man of Steel, and 300: Rise of an Empire.

Batman Begins (2005) > The Dark Knight (2008) > The Dark Knight Rises (2012)

That would be 2.5 years for BB and about 3 years for TDK. The time frame between TDK and TDKR (four years) is deceptive, because between those two movies Christopher Nolan made Inception (2010). Writing and pre-production did not begin in earnest on TDKR until 2010, so actually only 2 years.

The Hangover (2009) > The Hangover Part II (2011) > The Hangover Part III (2013)

These are comedies and smaller scale, so they may not be totally applicable. Even still, 2 years each.

Clash of the Titans (2010) > Wrath of the Titans (2012)

These are probably the most comparable, considering subject matter and extent of FX work. About two years.

Superman Returns (2006) > Man of Steel (2013)

Comparable levels of FX work, I think, and tied for the longest gap between any two (7 years). Like the gap between TDK and TDKR, though, the gap is deceptive: development didn't begin until 2008 and a director wasn't even hired until 2010.

300 (2007) > 300: Rise of an Empire (2014)

This one also took 7 years between films. They announced they were working a sequel in 2008, but it looks like production was delayed by how long it took Miller to write the story and when Snyder left to make Man of Steel in 2010.

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Thus, excluding Superman and 300, Legendary seems to average about 2 years between the release of a film and the release of its sequel. At that rate, we could expect Godzilla 2 some time in Summer 2016. :shock: If the sequel followed the example of Superman and 300, though, we would not see a sequel until as late as Summer 2021.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu May 22, 2014 12:45 pm

Man of Steel isn't a sequel to Superman Returns...
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu May 22, 2014 12:49 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:I'd actually rather see Godzilla fight Anguirus.


Well they've got to fight before they become Bros. It's just how these things happen.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Pkmatrix » Thu May 22, 2014 12:52 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:Man of Steel isn't a sequel to Superman Returns...


That's why I said "six sequels and one reboot". :wink:

I included Superman Returns and Man of Steel just because it was another data point: both are Superman movies produced by Legendary, so even though MoS isn't a sequel to Superman Returns it IS the next entry in that franchise.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Henry88 » Thu May 22, 2014 2:09 pm

if we get another new monster I would like it to be a exotic look.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby MekaGojira3k » Thu May 22, 2014 3:14 pm

Henry88 wrote:if we get another new monster I would like it to be a exotic look.


Judging from the MUTO and some of the stuff in the Art of Destruction, I'd say they're pretty likely to look at least somewhat exotic.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Henry88 » Thu May 22, 2014 7:02 pm

See an Unused Concept for ‘Godzilla’ Monster Battle on Alcatraz
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The other is the really good one, as it features what looks like a version of the monster Anguirus, who in this case is facing down Godzilla, with Alcatraz Island stuck between them.


and this

Long ago, we got confirmation that Disney was developing these spinoff films to release alongside the new trilogy of Star Wars films, Episodes VII, VIII, and IX, and we also know that Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg were enlisted to pen the scripts of these spinoff films. Most recently, Disney CEO Bob Iger confirmed that they would be making “at least” three spinoff movies, poised to be released in between the main franchise installments. That puts the first spinoff—almost certainly Edwards’—on track for a potential 2016 release.

The report confirms that Edwards is attached to direct Godzilla 2 and even Godzilla 3, but those films are in the nascent stages and don’t even have scripts yet. As such, Edwards’ next project will take place in a galaxy far, far away. Star Wars: Episode VII, directed by J.J. Abrams, opens in theaters on December 18, 2015.


http://collider.com/star-wars-spinoff-gareth-edwards/

2018 is more like it.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby msweets13 » Thu May 22, 2014 7:28 pm

2018 seems like a long ways away. Huge win for Gareth though. Nothing could be bigger than Star Wars right now. But still....I doubt WB or Legendary wants to wait that long for a sequel.

Edit: Just saw mekagojira's post. Maybe they will wait 4 years.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu May 22, 2014 7:48 pm

More info from The Hollywood Reporter:
'Star Wars' Spinoff Hires 'Godzilla' Director Gareth Edwards
Fresh off the success of Godzilla, filmmaker Gareth Edwards has lined up his next project, something set in a galaxy far, far away.

Edwards is attached to direct one of the Star Wars spinoff films, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

Gary Whitta (Book of Eli) is writing the script for the movie, which has a release date set for December 16, 2016, said Disney and Lucasfilm in a statement later posted on the official Star Wars website.

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The Star Wars project marks an amazing career trajectory for Edwards, who went from making a small creature feature for $500,000, 2010’s Monsters, to getting the assignment to take on Godzilla, a monster in need of a 21st century rehabilitation.

The mission was a success, with the Legendary/Warner Bros. movie overperforming when it opened last weekend, grossing $93.1 million. The movie also received strong critical reviews and plenty of fanboy love.

"Gareth's filmmaking talent makes him one of his generation's most creative and visionary directors,” said Legendary Entertainment’s chairman and CEO Thomas Tull in a statement in response to the Star Wars hire. "The plan has always been for Gareth to direct a different film before we started on another Godzilla, but who knew it would a Star Wars installment? We have a great plan in store for Godzilla fans and I am looking forward to seeing Gareth’s imprint on the Star Wars universe."

WME-repped Edwards is attached to direct Godzilla 2 and 3, but while story ideas exist, the Godzilla 2 project is still in early development and does not even have a script.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Henry88 » Thu May 22, 2014 8:01 pm

4 years is a long time to wait for a movie and they may get someone else to do Godzilla 2.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby lhb412 » Thu May 22, 2014 8:09 pm

4 years is a long time to wait for a movie and they may get someone else to do Godzilla 2.


Possibility, maybe Edwards as producer? Still, they took a long time to try to get their initial reboot right, maybe they're more of a 'it'll be ready when it's ready' mindset.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby msweets13 » Thu May 22, 2014 8:15 pm

Henry88 wrote:4 years is a long time to wait for a movie and they may get someone else to do Godzilla 2.


I don't know. Sounded like Tull and crew had always planned on him doing something else first. Plus, if the script is really that far from being done, then it probably would've taken close to that amount of time anyway. However, if they do end up getting someone else who would you want it to be? I would personally love to see GDT bring his energy and eye for detail to the series.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby MouthForWar » Thu May 22, 2014 8:25 pm

I'm fine with a trilogy, even though I'd prefer they didn't put that cap on it. But a trilogy would allow for what, at least 10 more years under LP's wing, then Toho could decide if they want another American reboot or if they want to take it back. I'm fine with it, even if the idea of trilogies is getting stale.

He'll probably do the Nolan thing where he'll do a Godzilla, then something else (in this case Star Wars), then another Godzilla.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Henry88 » Thu May 22, 2014 8:29 pm

msweets13 wrote:
Henry88 wrote:4 years is a long time to wait for a movie and they may get someone else to do Godzilla 2.


I don't know. Sounded like Tull and crew had always planned on him doing something else first. Plus, if the script is really that far from being done, then it probably would've taken close to that amount of time anyway. However, if they do end up getting someone else who would you want it to be? I would personally love to see GDT bring his energy and eye for detail to the series.


of the top of my head

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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu May 22, 2014 8:30 pm

*Has a fangasm*

That is all.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby msweets13 » Thu May 22, 2014 8:36 pm

MouthForWar wrote:I'm fine with a trilogy, even though I'd prefer they didn't put that cap on it. But a trilogy would allow for what, at least 10 more years under LP's wing, then Toho could decide if they want another American reboot or if they want to take it back. I'm fine with it, even if the idea of trilogies is getting stale.

He'll probably do the Nolan thing where he'll do a Godzilla, then something else (in this case Star Wars), then another Godzilla.


That is kind of what I'm thinking the plan is. Honestly, I think that's great because that will allow them to really take the time to get the script right.

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Henry88 wrote:4 years is a long time to wait for a movie and they may get someone else to do Godzilla 2.


I don't know. Sounded like Tull and crew had always planned on him doing something else first. Plus, if the script is really that far from being done, then it probably would've taken close to that amount of time anyway. However, if they do end up getting someone else who would you want it to be? I would personally love to see GDT bring his energy and eye for detail to the series.


of the top of my head

Jon Favreau

Louis Leterrier


Going for some Marvel vets I see. Favreau's track record lately hasn't been particularly great, and while I liked Leterrier's Clash of the Titan's I felt like the movie was helluva uneven. Does anyone know of any good working director's who are big Godzilla fans. (If someone says Roland Emmerich I'm going to punch them in the face.)
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby XvGojira » Thu May 22, 2014 8:45 pm

So is Legendary working on the sequel too? I thought that after the split from WB, LP was going to join up with Universal while WB would keep the rights and make the sequels themselves.
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