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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Gwangi » Mon May 19, 2014 1:30 am

Wonder what location(s) they will mess up next time? And I would not mind seeing monster battles in more rural areas, like we had in the 1960s Showa features.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby we77964 » Mon May 19, 2014 6:43 am

What I am about to say will get flack.

I would rather have Bagan as the villain with China and Korea as the backdrop. Since Dr. Serizawa, I would to see a Steven Martin character returner doing a Jack McGee/Carl Kolchak type reporting. Then again I would like to see King Ghidorah being a threat to the world. I hope the sequel is a 2 and half or a 3 hour long movie.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon May 19, 2014 8:20 am

we77964 wrote:What I am about to say will get flack.

I would rather have Bagan as the villain with China and Korea as the backdrop. Since Dr. Serizawa, I would to see a Steven Martin character returner doing a Jack McGee/Carl Kolchak type reporting. Then again I would like to see King Ghidorah being a threat to the world. I hope the sequel is a 2 and half or a 3 hour long movie.

Other than the bolded, I think I'd rather stick my finger down my throat and attempt to force myself to vomit.

I mean, if that's what you want, that's what you want, but...NO THANKS to any of it.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon May 19, 2014 9:30 am

It's hard for me to focus on anything else except which monsters I'd want in the next film.

KG seems like the perfect choice to me.

Rodan, Anguirus, or even Mothra would work well.

I also wouldn't be opposed to a new monster. The MUTOS were very well animated and had personality so any reservations I had about new monsters were thrown out the window when I saw the first movie.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Gojilove » Mon May 19, 2014 10:02 am

I'd be curious if they bring back our scientist leads. I think its safe to say that we won't be further exploring the adventures of the Brody family.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby GoDziLLaX » Mon May 19, 2014 10:10 am

Hybrid Gojira wrote:
I also wouldn't be opposed to a new monster. The MUTOS were very well animated and had personality so any reservations I had about new monsters were thrown out the window when I saw the first movie.


^This. And the new monster should be a brute, transforming Godzilla into the underdog.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby planetxleader » Mon May 19, 2014 11:20 am

In the Deadline.com article, Edwards pretty much said he'd rely on the same formula of a human-focused narrative. Though with Godzilla already being a thing, I imagine we will see more of him.

I imagine whatever the monster is for the sequel, the roles will be reversed: Godzilla will be seen and interacted with early on, and the hide-and-seek, suspenseful monster build will be for the new enemy monster he faces.

I want to see Serizawa suffer an accident, maybe during a Godzilla attack, and have to put on... the eye patch.

I want more Sally Hawkins and Watanabe and David Strathairn in general.

I'd rather not have Mothra so soon, especially since I'd want her to remain at least somewhat mystical, and that might be a lot to introduce into what 2014 already set up. But if she did return, I'd want to see a different, varied type of kaiju (or a completely original one) come with her. Like Anguirus. Also, Anguirus in general. That's who I want to come back the most.

Anguirus.

But really, if they already have rights to five monsters, what are some of the most likely ones that they've purchased? Mothra and King Ghidorah most definitely. Rodan maybe. Anguirus on a star's wish but who knows? Anything beyond that is pretty much a guess.

Five monsters, hmm....
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby angilas » Mon May 19, 2014 11:24 am

Hybrid Gojira wrote:It's hard for me to focus on anything else except which monsters I'd want in the next film.

KG seems like the perfect choice to me.

Rodan, Anguirus, or even Mothra would work well.

I also wouldn't be opposed to a new monster. The MUTOS were very well animated and had personality so any reservations I had about new monsters were thrown out the window when I saw the first movie.


I think its a bit early for KG. I think next film you may want to have it set up for him to appear in the third but this last one already used up a good amount of time on Godzilla backstory, alien monsters would require more. I think having him battle terrestrial monsters and maybe alien monsters without any legacy of destruction like hedorah whose origin can be assumed without the need for actual aliens works well. Maybe have a backstory of mans first trip to mars causing our satellites to be on high alert, one of which monitors something passing at a high rate. At the end when the rocket lands in an area of interest on mars, the astronauts enter a cave to find paintings of Ghidorah laying waste to what was once there. And in Godzilla 3 have the backstory of him destroying Martian and Venusian civilizations before heading into the depths of space but now returning after Hedorah confirmed a civilization worth pillaging. Maybe that's when you throw in Megalon and gigan to aid him, and Mothra rodan and Angilas on earth. Anyway: Image
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Gojilove » Mon May 19, 2014 11:39 am

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How clever would this be? If they used this title and went forth with the Destroy All Monsters theme. I would be delighted by that.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Henry88 » Mon May 19, 2014 12:20 pm

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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Jorzilla » Mon May 19, 2014 1:20 pm

I want to see them remake the Golden Age films minus Monster Zero (because humanoid aliens probably wont fly these days) and King Kong (cause rights).

Remake Mothra vs. Godzilla, giving us Mothra.

Remake Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster, giving us Rodan and King Ghidorah.

Remake Destroy all Monster, giving us Anguirus, Varan, Baragon etc.

If they continue down the path, I would love to see Mechagodzilla enter the fold.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby angilas » Mon May 19, 2014 1:26 pm

^ I kind of agree. As much as I like the war of monsters idea posted earlier maybe a reinvisioning of the classics with a set in the real world backstory is in order first. Of course as fun as they were you'd have to skip the island films this time.

planetxleader wrote:In the Deadline.com article, Edwards pretty much said he'd rely on the same formula of a human-focused narrative. Though with Godzilla already being a thing, I imagine we will see more of him.

I imagine whatever the monster is for the sequel, the roles will be reversed: Godzilla will be seen and interacted with early on, and the hide-and-seek, suspenseful monster build will be for the new enemy monster he faces.

I want to see Serizawa suffer an accident, maybe during a Godzilla attack, and have to put on... the eye patch.

I want more Sally Hawkins and Watanabe and David Strathairn in general.

I'd rather not have Mothra so soon, especially since I'd want her to remain at least somewhat mystical, and that might be a lot to introduce into what 2014 already set up. But if she did return, I'd want to see a different, varied type of kaiju (or a completely original one) come with her. Like Anguirus. Also, Anguirus in general. That's who I want to come back the most.

Anguirus.

But really, if they already have rights to five monsters, what are some of the most likely ones that they've purchased? Mothra and King Ghidorah most definitely. Rodan maybe. Anguirus on a star's wish but who knows? Anything beyond that is pretty much a guess.

Five monsters, hmm....

If one of the 5 is hedorah with Banno involved, I hope KG, Angilas, Rodan, and Mothra.
Gigan and Megalon would be pretty cool too.
I also like your idea for a film that shows up with Godzilla as a known factor now and being chased and explored. Maybe I. Their search for him they run into a different creature by accident and mayhem ensues. Logically I would think that any kaiju suddenly appearing has to be a result of Godzilla and Mutos appearance and battle, like maybe the aftermath of the additional more powerful nuke draws them back to the US, whereas they normally appeared briefly in remote locations.

Maybe start off with some footage from the aftermath of the Kaiser Bomb saying the Russians spotted several giant creatures appearing in the area as if they were feeding and subsequently diss appearing into the depths. That could include Rodan and Angilas. Maybe they'll buy more monsters having seen how lucrative this last film was.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon May 19, 2014 1:30 pm

I'd love for the film to start out in the middle of Godzilla fighting another kaiju.

Dat'd be coo'.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon May 19, 2014 1:30 pm

planetxleader wrote:In the Deadline.com article, Edwards pretty much said he'd rely on the same formula of a human-focused narrative. Though with Godzilla already being a thing, I imagine we will see more of him.

I imagine whatever the monster is for the sequel, the roles will be reversed: Godzilla will be seen and interacted with early on, and the hide-and-seek, suspenseful monster build will be for the new enemy monster he faces.

I want to see Serizawa suffer an accident, maybe during a Godzilla attack, and have to put on... the eye patch.

I want more Sally Hawkins and Watanabe and David Strathairn in general.

I'd rather not have Mothra so soon, especially since I'd want her to remain at least somewhat mystical, and that might be a lot to introduce into what 2014 already set up. But if she did return, I'd want to see a different, varied type of kaiju (or a completely original one) come with her. Like Anguirus. Also, Anguirus in general. That's who I want to come back the most.

Anguirus.

But really, if they already have rights to five monsters, what are some of the most likely ones that they've purchased? Mothra and King Ghidorah most definitely. Rodan maybe. Anguirus on a star's wish but who knows? Anything beyond that is pretty much a guess.

Five monsters, hmm....


So much yes to the eye patch idea...

If I remember correctly, the monsters supposedly confirmed were :

Godzilla
Mothra
Rodan
Anguirus

And there was a fifth one that was not confirmed, but rumored to be KG.

I thought the source of this was chris55 but I'm unsure. I was bringing it up in the hopes that someone here knew.

Anyway, I can appreciate Edwards' style but I'm hoping we can see more of the monsters and eventually get a full blown rampage/military fight. The beauty of some of my favorite Toho films were the epic strategies the military used to engage Godzilla...Mothra vs Godzilla has one of the best sequences as nets are dropped on Godzilla who is then bombarded by military fire and electrical attacks. Seeing the aftermath of destruction is not the same as seeing the city leveled in real time.

Also, I think a daylight battle would be fantastic.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon May 19, 2014 1:48 pm

So...am I the only person that is wary of bringing in Mothra?

The knee-jerk reaction, even for me, was "I wanna see Mothra. She'd more or less work in this series." The more I think about it, though, the more I begin to wonder and start to think that it'd be somewhat problematic to bring in Mothra.

Mothra is often depicted as a force of nature attempting to restore balance to that which man throws out of order, whether she's fighting the human-created Godzilla, or defending the Earth from an alien invader, she's ALWAYS been aligned with the forces of good.
Mothra vs. Godzilla, given the Godzilla we got in this movie.......that wouldn't work. Godzilla's the good guy. For Mothra to come into this series, we would need her and Godzilla to team up against something worse...yeah, that could mean King Ghidorah and all, but I don't think we'll ever see Mothra vs. Godzilla with the way this thing has already started out.

Personally, I'd go the following route, in some fashion or another:
Godzilla 2:
-Bring in a Katagiri-like character: someone, whether he's DIRECTLY associated with/in charge of a military force or just closely affiliated (ie, an arms manufacturer or something) who looks at the destruction from the first film, and wants to kill Godzilla.
-Have Godzilla attack, but somehow show maybe a little later down the line, that he only attacked because this douchey human character attacked him first and provoked him.
-Bring in Anguirus, and depict him as essentially the bad guy (send him back to his roots from GRA), and have Godzilla fight him off but not kill him.

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-Anguirus reappears, injured but pissed off, destroying a city. King Ghidorah appears and finishes him off...now, Godzilla (and here's where you can also introduce Mothra, as an Earth-defender to team up with Godzilla) must fight off Ghidorah

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-After Godzilla's done fighting off (but maybe not killing, but there's a solution to that) Ghidorah, aliens appear...and they are pissed that Godzilla managed to foil their plans. In order to try again, they're bringing a pal for King Ghidorah...Gigan...I'd honestly prefer if NEITHER of these was in cyborg form....

Godzilla 5
-Mecha-King Ghidorah, Gigan (cyborg), and Mechagodzilla lead a charge against the Earth led by the aliens

Now, there's a lot of elements at play there, and maybe it'd be difficult to make it all work COHESIVELY, but it's sort of an idea that I like for a few reasons
1 - I'm sick to death of EVERYTHING being "intended" to be a trilogy and EVERY third film being the one that puts such a final capper on everything that there's no choice but to abandon the series and/or reboot it.
2 - it gives us the Godzilla vs. the military/mankind stuff we wanted to see
3 - it brings in Anguirus and keeps him fairly comfortably in the role we all know: the kaiju punching bag
4 - it brings in King Ghidorah
5 - it keeps Godzilla rooted as the hero
6 - it gives us increasing insanity throughout the run of the films
7 - Mechagodzilla leading King Ghidorah and GIgan into battle...who WOULDN'T want to see that?


Another idea that might actually be pretty cool is if, after two or three films, humanity decides to build Mechagodzilla(s) as an AID to Godzilla...as a sort of Earth defender built in the image of Earth's mightiest defender...and then Godzilla and Mechagodzilla fight together against something. That'd be a really unique and interesting team-up.


I'm just spitballing some ideas. I think with the tone they've established they can go in ANY direction they want but as long as they keep Godzilla as the hero and don't have him turn heel for NO reason, and as long as they give us some classic Toho kaiju, they can do whatever they want INCLUDING also continually creating kaiju. I liked the MUTOs so I'm not against more new kaiju...but I think we'd all like to see some different takes from this creative team on some Toho kaiju as well, to maybe breathe some new life and interest into these secondary kaiju that we all love.

How cool would it be if a whole generation of kids have Anguirus or Rodan or Gigan or something FIRMLY planted in their minds and as their favorite kaiju? That can only be a good thing, right?
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon May 19, 2014 2:36 pm

I want to see the world explode with kaiju, and most importantly I want the focus to be on the aftermath of kaiju and specifically Godzilla as a protector. (Do what Godzilla vs. Biollante did so well)
I'm sure there are people who don't see him as any differently as the MUTO, but that's why I want it to start with him stopping another kaiju. Delve into what its like to live in a world with giant monsters. Explore the topic.

I don't know how important it is for any specific kaiju to appear, but Ghidorah needs to be saved for a possible 3rd film. He's something you build up to.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon May 19, 2014 2:50 pm

I like Monarch...especially if we learn that they are hiding more monsters. It seems like a logical conclusion given the history with Godzilla, maybe even Serizawa doesn't know some of the details regarding Goji and his links to other monsters.

What if, for example, the movie opens up with footage of Godzilla fighting Anguirus (I LOVEEEEEEEEEE the idea of the movie opening with a fight sequence, as mekagojira mentioned). We see it through archived footage which is somehow newly discovered from Monarch. We then learn that Monarch has previously located more monsters (perhaps a nest or something) and conducted nuclear experiments on the baby creatures. Most of the monsters die, but one Rodan survives. Meanwhile, Anguirus shows up near San Fran shortly after the nuke goes off, drawn by the blast and Godzilla's previous battle with muto. Godzilla's long gone, but Ang causes havoc in Cali.

As for where you from here...who knows? Just tossing some ideas out. I really like the idea of Monarch and following where the cover ups trace back...maybe Monarch is far more sinister than we (or Serizawa) knew about. They know monsters exist and cover up when needed, killing off witnesses and stealing footage. We learn that previous incidents, like Janjira, were also monster-related. Monarch starts off with a simple research mission but that morphs into something completely different..think bioweapons or something. I always thought the ANEB idea was one of the best conceived in the Godzilla films...something similar could work hear.

@Jelly The only reason I like the Mothra angle is because I think the male Muto was so well done that I know Mothra could be equally as awesome.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon May 19, 2014 2:59 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:@Jelly The only reason I like the Mothra angle is because I think the male Muto was so well done that I know Mothra could be equally as awesome.



Yeah I just...there are FEW monsters who I think HAVE to be one way or another...Mothra is one of them. Mothra HAS to be a good guy, King Ghidorah HAS to be Godzilla's enemy, and Gigan HAS to be a cocky dick.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon May 19, 2014 3:18 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:I like Monarch...especially if we learn that they are hiding more monsters. It seems like a logical conclusion given the history with Godzilla, maybe even Serizawa doesn't know some of the details regarding Goji and his links to other monsters.

What if, for example, the movie opens up with footage of Godzilla fighting Anguirus (I LOVEEEEEEEEEE the idea of the movie opening with a fight sequence, as mekagojira mentioned). We see it through archived footage which is somehow newly discovered from Monarch. We then learn that Monarch has previously located more monsters (perhaps a nest or something) and conducted nuclear experiments on the baby creatures. Most of the monsters die, but one Rodan survives. Meanwhile, Anguirus shows up near San Fran shortly after the nuke goes off, drawn by the blast and Godzilla's previous battle with muto. Godzilla's long gone, but Ang causes havoc in Cali.

As for where you from here...who knows? Just tossing some ideas out. I really like the idea of Monarch and following where the cover ups trace back...maybe Monarch is far more sinister than we (or Serizawa) knew about. They know monsters exist and cover up when needed, killing off witnesses and stealing footage. We learn that previous incidents, like Janjira, were also monster-related. Monarch starts off with a simple research mission but that morphs into something completely different..think bioweapons or something. I always thought the ANEB idea was one of the best conceived in the Godzilla films...something similar could work hear.

@Jelly The only reason I like the Mothra angle is because I think the male Muto was so well done that I know Mothra could be equally as awesome.


Yeah. You could even do the Shobijin as twin scientists who are in charge of hiding all Mothra related evidence.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby planetxleader » Mon May 19, 2014 3:51 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing some shadiness out of Monarch, since I was initially expecting them to be a more Umbrella Corporation type of thing. Plus, it would give more opportunities for some conflict amongst the human ranks.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Mysterio » Mon May 19, 2014 3:52 pm

I know I'm in the minority but I just don't think King Ghidorah would work, whether or not they've already acquired the rights. I just don't see it.

With all the hints dropped in this one, along with the whole bug thing, I think Mothra is most likely, but man I've had enough of Mothra to last me for a while. And bless her heart she's just not interesting. Now, they could change her around some to make her more interesting, but I don't think the fandom would want that. I just never really got into Mothra all that much... if anything I prefer the larvae crawling around spraying webs as opposed to the full grown Mothra flying around dropping glitter spores.

I'd personally go with Anguirus and/or Rodan.

Or... if I were to fulfill my own personal fantasy, I'd like to see them secure the rights to Gamera and finally do the "versus" movie I've been hoping for... :lol:
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby DannyBeane » Mon May 19, 2014 4:28 pm

This article makes me want to punch this writer in the junk.
Godzilla' Shouldn't Get A Sequel, And Here's Why
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Mon May 19, 2014 4:46 pm

DannyBeane wrote:This article makes me want to punch this writer in the junk.
Godzilla' Shouldn't Get A Sequel, And Here's Why
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/godzilla-2_n_5351371.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment


His argument is basically - "Godzilla 2 sounds great (based off the monster island idea), but I'd rather just sit back and relish the film."

Right. I'm sold.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby klen7 » Mon May 19, 2014 5:02 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:I like Monarch...especially if we learn that they are hiding more monsters. It seems like a logical conclusion given the history with Godzilla, maybe even Serizawa doesn't know some of the details regarding Goji and his links to other monsters.

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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion

Postby Henry88 » Mon May 19, 2014 5:02 pm

DannyBeane wrote:This article makes me want to punch this writer in the junk.
Godzilla' Shouldn't Get A Sequel, And Here's Why
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/godzilla-2_n_5351371.html?utm_hp_ref=entertainment


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