GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:51 pm

^Whoa, Nelly! We've hit the Monarch timeline motherload. Thankfully, other fans have screen-shotted and blown up these images, like in this smattering of tumblr posts:

http://astoundingbeyondbelief.tumblr.co ... sted-about


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So Mothra's temple is located high in the mountains of China instead of Infant Island. That makes sense, as we just did Skull Island and this plays into the whole Shangri-La thing. Little disappointing that she's apparently already in her cocoon, but it makes sense if you don't want to overstuff the plot. If the MonsterVerse continues I'm sure we'll see Mothra's larva form eventually, and if anything it saves her some surprises for later on. So they found her because of a 'mysterious bio-acoustic signature'.... acoustic?! Sound?!? Holy hell - it's gotta be singing, right? They heard f****ing singing is what they heard!

"Monster Zero" !!! How I love that that designation has returned. Now is official that he's under the ice and the reason for Monarch's arctic base.

Is all this Skull Island stuff associated with that comic series that's going on now? Should probably check that out.

I feel like each monster may have an associated scientist in this story; Serizawa's is already Godzilla, if Dr. Emma Russell is Farmiga's character then her's is Mothra, and Dr. Graham (Sally Hawkin's character from the '14 film) leads the base monitoring the dormant King Ghidorah. Wonder if someone will serve a similar role for Rodan?
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:38 pm

^ Oh, and...

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Naturally the least exciting thing to us fans probably has a huge bearing on the plot: the group trying to get into a MUTO dig site. I'm thinking these may be the (human) villains, maybe the ones who stir up King Ghidorah?
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Benjamin Haines » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:52 pm

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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:02 pm

Keep seeing the phrase 'containment facility.' I wonder if these kaiju will be escaping of their own accord or will be broken out or roused up by some other party.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Jinzo Ningen » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:13 am

Got a chance to watch "KRAMPUS" a couple of nights ago. After seeing his style on that, it makes me very curious and somewhat confident that he'll give us a solid G-film. Just need to find a few minutes to plop down and watch TRICK-r-TREAT.

Things seem to be shaping up nicely. Just hope we'll get some official looks at the new M, R & KG. That's all I'll really need to calm my nerves more or less completely. :lol:
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu Jul 13, 2017 1:07 pm

I think it's interesting how they've designated the years in which these background events occurred. Everything on the Monarch timeline is set prior to the battle of San Francisco in 2014, with the exception of the 2016 discovery of Monster Zero frozen in Antarctica. I freaking love that they've brought back that moniker for Ghidorah and that they're clearly building him up to be the big villain in Godzilla: King of the Monsters.

Dr. Houston Brooks is the character played by Corey Hawkins in Kong: Skull Island. The 1995 and 2012 timeline events refer to the Skull Island: The Birth of Kong comic book mini-series from Legendary, which I have not gotten yet. I guess it's the son of Dr. Brooks, Aaron, who is the main protagonist in those comics.

Dr. Emma Russell discovers the Mothra temple in 2009. Assuming that's Vera Farmiga's character, and assuming that Godzilla: King of the Monsters will be set in 2019, that means that she'll have been monitoring Mothra's cocoon at that site for ten years by the start of the film.

So we've got Rodan sleeping inside a dormant Caribbean volcano, Mothra cocooned at a temple in the Chinese jungle, Ghidorah frozen under Antarctic ice, Kong living on Skull Island in the South Pacific, and Godzilla lurking in the ocean depths. It's a planet of monsters!


lhb412 wrote:So they found her because of a 'mysterious bio-acoustic signature'.... acoustic?! Sound?!? Holy hell - it's gotta be singing, right? They heard f****ing singing is what they heard!


And that is awesome! I'm really curious to see what kind of mythology this new movie builds for Mothra. Is there a centuries-old cult of worshippers guarding her temple? Are those people able to communicate with Mothra? Could their methods be used to communicate with other monsters? So many questions!
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Thu Jul 13, 2017 2:49 pm

This is all pretty darn awesome imo. I love that they're referring to Ghidorah as "Monster Zero"; possibly a sign in this continuity that he's been frozen in the ice for a very, very long time (like a "patient zero")? Obviously they only found him recently, but perhaps examination of the ice he's trapped in reveals he's been in there for millions of years, thus dating him as the first monster they're aware of, chronologically speaking.

Or it could just be nothing more than a cool code name. :P Either way it's a nice reference. And having him stuck in the ice gives them some leeway with his origins too, since they could easily say he crashed to Earth from space and became frozen in the ice (at some point, given the cave painting he's already appeared in), or just have him be an Earthbound creature, or simply it ambiguous and up to the audience to decide. And with the containment facility built around him you just know we're going to get another MUTO 2.0/Final Wars scene where he causes devastation when he inevitably wakes up and breaks free, so that's great too! :D

And it sounds like they're actually being a lot more faithful to Mothra's origins than I'd expected too, even just with what they've revealed here. And a "high-altitude jungle" sounds like a really cool monstery location. And of course Rodan in a volcano with another containment facility to destroy. :D

All this is sounding great! Why do we have to wait another two years to see it?! :(
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Henry88 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:33 am

Elizabeth Ludlow Cast in Godzilla: King of the Monsters
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:10 pm

Another Monarch Twitter update from the "Temple of the Moth":

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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:13 pm

WHOA NELLY! There she is! That's our girl!


(those numbers appear to be a reference to the original Mothra movie's release date - I think we're in for a metric ton of fanservice, so keep your eyes peeled)
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby canofhumdingers » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:33 pm

Nice! Love the look of the two caterpillars. And Mothra looks magnificent. This movie is gonna be amazing!
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Gentleman » Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:21 pm

Class: Divine / Imago

All signs point to a similar backstory to the classic moth.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby QBASS » Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:09 am

guys..you think the 3rd act we'll get 2 larva
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:11 am

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Magnificent. If this is how Mothra looks in the movie then it really couldn't be better. I'm interested to see her color scheme.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:23 pm

Black with red and yellow patterns on her wings, yellow horns with purple beams that she can shoot from her eyes!

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Really though, I'd imagine it'll be pretty close to what we know as her traditional colour scheme, at least in terms of it largely consisting of a combination of the usual black, orange, yellow and white. You can see she's got the spots on her wings on that mural, so I'd be surprised if they went with anything too different from what we already know in that regard.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby mrbluehair » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:28 pm

Next summer at Comic Con, I will be at Hall H for whatever they unveil. Just like 2013, I'll report live from the venue and unlike last time where I had a pass but was about 2 days too late to get into the hall but figured out a way to get into the first group, I tested the waters this year and managed to get in with no pass at all. My system worked like a charm....HA!!!

I plan on pacing myself this time around, lurk mostly and comment when necessary. I'm also awaiting a reply to an extra casting call I've been involved with...
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Henry88 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:38 pm

one would hope this time around we can see the teaser (if they have one) without having to wait for a leak.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:43 am

Kailem wrote:Really though, I'd imagine it'll be pretty close to what we know as her traditional colour scheme, at least in terms of it largely consisting of a combination of the usual black, orange, yellow and white. You can see she's got the spots on her wings on that mural, so I'd be surprised if they went with anything too different from what we already know in that regard.


Yeah, I'm not expecting a radical recoloring for Mothra, although I wouldn't mind seeing them shake it up. GMK gave Mothra purple eyes instead of blue and added a dash of purple to the wings, and in the process it broke away from the traditional primary colors for something fresh. Even the Rebirth of Mothra trilogy, shoddy FX work aside, offered a variety of colors for Mothra.


Henry88 wrote:one would hope this time around we can see the teaser (if they have one) without having to wait for a leak.


The one that leaked back in 2013 was test footage, not a teaser. Gareth Edwards created that to sell Warner Bros. on his vision for the film. It was never considered finished footage that was meant to be seen by the public. The shots from the test footage that made it into the eventual teaser were refined from how they originally appeared. If there was any test footage done for the sequel, the only way we'll ever see it is if it leaks.

The teaser for Godzilla played before The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug in December 2013, five months before the movie opened, so we'll probably get the teaser for the sequel sometime in Fall 2018. It could come as early as that August if WB wants to run it before their shark thriller Meg, or it could come with Andy Serkis' mo-cap adventure Jungle Book: Origins in October 2018 (if that's even still happening after Disney beat them to the punch last year). Whenever the teaser debuts, it will definitely end up playing before the Fantastic Beasts sequel that November and Aquaman that December.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:05 pm

2014 (thereabouts) seems like the last time comic con was a big deal. It's like the last time it felt like EVERY major studio went and tried to really wow the crowd with something. Now, a lot of studios skip and they don't even really bring that much to show when they go...and it just goes online instantly. Studios are pulling out of the SDCC game, in terms of throwing a lot of money and debuting teasers and using it as a big marketing piece.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:33 pm

Remember how Warner Bros. originally scheduled Godzilla 2 for June 8, 2018 before Paramount muscled in on the date with Transformers 6? WB eventually fled the date and moved Godzilla 2 to March 22, 2019.

Well, Paramount just went and abandoned that June 2018 release date. According to The Hollywood Reporter, they've now pushed Bumblebee to December 21, 2018, the same day as WB's Aquaman.

When WB moved Godzilla 2 away from Transformers 6 in early 2016, they had every reason to believe that it was a necessary move. The live-action Transformers film series had been a box office mega-heavyweight from the beginning and both the third and fourth films grossed over $1 billion worldwide in 2011 and 2014. The irony, beyond the fact that both WB and Paramount ended up vacating that June 2018 release date, is that we're now at a point where the Monsterverse is arguably a stronger, healthier franchise than Transformers.

The Transformers films peaked in North America with the second entry, Revenge of the Fallen, which made a mammoth $402 million domestic in 2009 without even playing in 3-D. The domestic returns have been declining substantially since then, although $352m for Dark of the Moon and $245m for Age of Extinction were both still very successful results. Plus, the series rode the wave of rapid international box office expansion that began about a decade ago and parlayed it into bigger foreign returns with each entry, particularly in China, where the fourth film remains one of the highest-grossing movies ever.

But just as the Transformers films peaked with part two in North America, part four proved to be the high watermark in China and the rest of the world. This summer's Transformers: The Last Knight has sold shockingly fewer tickets than its predecessors. It's currently sitting at just $128m in North America, a figure which the first film eclipsed during its first week of play ten years ago. Moreover, it's currently at $440m international with only Spain, Israel, and Japan left to open. It's not going to come anywhere close to the $858m international total of Age of Extinction or even the $771m international for Dark of the Moon. More than half of that $440m international has come from China, where its $228m haul represents a big decline from the $320m earned by the previous film in that country. It's also hugely frontloaded with the movie having made $125m in China by the end of its opening weekend.

Conversely, Kong: Skull Island just made $168m in North America, compared to a final domestic total of (at most) $132m for Transformers: The Last Knight. Skull Island has also outperformed The Last Knight in most international territories with the biggest exception being China, although Kong's $168m Chinese total from a $71m debut weekend is a stronger show of staying power than the frontloaded Transformers 5. Skull Island has also managed to outperform Godzilla in a number of countries, including China, indicating that the Monsterverse is on the upswing in terms of audience reception.

Both Godzilla: King of the Monsters and especially Godzilla vs. Kong have the potential to build on the success of their predecessors, whereas the next Transformers movie is all but certain to continue the series' downward box office trajectory. Warner Bros.' Monsterverse no longer needs to fear competition from Paramount's Transformers series. The shoe is on the other foot now.
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:23 pm

So, there's apparently a rumor going around that they're filming 'a scene' in Japan. I remember having the movie being partially set in Japan was a stipulation by Toho for Godzilla, but does that extend beyond the first movie to every movie?!


It would be great if one of these MonsterVerse films could actually used Japan as a primary location. Just saying; Tokyo would make a great place for Kong and Godzilla to throw down!
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:27 pm

It would be pretty awesome to see on a number of levels. Sure we've seen Tokyo destroyed countless times before, but never in a big budget Hollywood monster movie like this. It could be visually pretty spectacular beyond just being an obvious nod.

And yeah, it's kind of a shame Legendary pushed Godzilla 2 back a year to get out of the way of Transformers given where we are now. Hindsight's 20-20 and it's completely understandable why they did it at the time, and hey, giving King of the Monsters several extra months of fine-tuning and whatnot should hopefully only be a good thing. But man, it's still annoying that we're going to have to wait twice as long as we probably would have if they'd known then what they know now. :P
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:10 pm

From director Mike Dougherty's Twitter page:

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Hmmm. Is the MonsterVerse's Serizawa going to invent an Oxygen Destroyer now too?
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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby lhb412 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:38 pm

^MonsterVerse Serizawa is a biologist, not a chemist, right?

Could just be a in-joke, a prop in the background, and with Dougherty's (and Wingard's) being full-blooded monster kids I'm sure we're in for many in-jokes.

Or it could mean....


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Re: GODZILLA 2 Discussion - March 22, 2019

Postby Kailem » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:28 pm

lhb412 wrote:^MonsterVerse Serizawa is a biologist, not a chemist, right?


I usually just glaze over those sort of specifics. They're all just "scientists" to me! :P
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