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Re: Rumor mill

Postby lhb412 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:26 pm

^It's apparently a big seller at school book fairs and popular at libraries, so we're talking a very different audience then the comic shop crowd.

One of the reasons DC's move to making YA graphic novels of their characters using already popular YA talent is so smart - the big two should've been doing that for years!
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Re: Rumor mill

Postby O.Supreme » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:51 am

of course from a business perspective it is smart. But changing things to cultivate new readers, will only isolate the older fans, which is why I'm pretty sure after *Avengers 4* Ill be done with the MCU. If they start making movies of the characters from the Marvel of the past 5 years, I'm done. Also when I was growing up in the 80's they didn't really change the characters from the 60's for me. Sure they added new ones , and that's fine. But they did not revert everyone's age just for my demographic. Spider-Man and the X-Men that had started out as teens in the 60's were all grown up in the 80's, thus the reason why I prefer all these heroes as adults rather than kids/teens. Of course I know its fiction, and time is fluid, and adults probably don't spend as much money (which is ironic since its the adults that have all the money... :roll: ). But adding to the diversity to gain new fans is one thing. Taking us 40 something's and saying -"Thanks for your life-long patronage, but its time to grow up, we don't need/want you anymore" kind of sucks.
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Re: Rumor mill

Postby klen7 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:14 pm

^ one of the big issues the industry is facing is that it has historically catered too much to older clientèle and it hasn't been bringing in new fans, cinematic box office is not translating into monthly issue sales as a general rule (GOTG being a big exception). Growing up i would grab issues off the rack at my local grocery store, now you need to go to a specialty store to find comics.
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Re: Rumor mill

Postby lhb412 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:14 pm

^There's an argument to made that American kids never stopped reading comics - indeed, comics readership expanded, only the kids of the late '90s to today have been reading manga. The format is just superior: affordable little books, a single cohesive story presided over by a single author or create team. So: easier to get into, affordable, widely available. The inverse of those is mainstream superhero comics: tons of continuity (some of it contradictory), numerous reboots, numerous different creative teams so quality and tone varies wildly on a single character or series - and just technical stuff that makes it hard like confusing numbering ("where do I begin reading and what do I continue reading if I like this?"). Being effectively ghettoized in comic shops makes them harder to get, and monthly periodicals don't really make sense to this generation and even if they did - that's a high price point for such little content!

But changing things to cultivate new readers, will only isolate the older fans, which is why I'm pretty sure after *Avengers 4* Ill be done with the MCU. If they start making movies of the characters from the Marvel of the past 5 years, I'm done. Also when I was growing up in the 80's they didn't really change the characters from the 60's for me. Sure they added new ones , and that's fine. But they did not revert everyone's age just for my demographic. Spider-Man and the X-Men that had started out as teens in the 60's were all grown up in the 80's, thus the reason why I prefer all these heroes as adults rather than kids/teens. Of course I know its fiction, and time is fluid, and adults probably don't spend as much money (which is ironic since its the adults that have all the money... :roll: ). But adding to the diversity to gain new fans is one thing. Taking us 40 something's and saying -"Thanks for your life-long patronage, but its time to grow up, we don't need/want you anymore" kind of sucks.


This is an interesting thought, but at the same time somewhat flawed. DC and Marvel are owned by megacorporations and these characters are still primarily kids characters. At a certain point they stunt their growth and keep them in something of a holding pattern and that's been the case at least since sometime in the '70s when Marvel realized their continuing storylines butted up against the fact that these characters were valuable as licensing and should be kept in their most iconic forms. DC actually did a soft reboot less than two decades in during the Silver Age (it was a few years before they had decided they had done it, or course - how else could the Flashes team up?)

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How many reboots have they done since?

Was it Stan Lee who labeled it the 'illusion of change?' Spider-Man graduates, gets married... then he's not married and it kinda feels like he's younger again? I suppose the most natural thing to do would be to let Peter Parker get old and eventually retire and let Miles Morales continue as the younger Spider-Man, but I doubt Marvel would do that. How many years did it take for Peter to graduate HS and then college? Wonder how long it'll take Kamala Khan and Miles Morales? Frank Miller's impetus for doing Dark Knight Returns was turning 36 when Batman was permanently frozen at age 35.

These reboots and soft reboots and hand-waving the incongruities away have done an intermittently good job at keeping this whole thing together, but now with the Marvel Cinematic Universe we're reaching an interesting phase. The MCU is more popular than any superhero universe has ever been before, and now we have to worry about flesh and blood actors and contracts and aging. You can recast a side player, but will people accept newer, younger actors stepping in to be Tony Stark or Steve Rogers? If this goes on as long as it looks like it will, I think it's unavoidable that we'll have passing of the mantle. New Iron Man. New Cap. Miles Morales and Kamala Khan and the Young Avengers and any number of characters I don't know anything about, The funny thing is that DC actually tried making this 'passing of the torch' thing the norm in the '80s and '90s with newer characters becoming Flash and Green Lantern and whatnot, but by the '00s things returned back to their most iconic forms.

What comics have actual allowed their characters to age in something approximating real time? Love and Rockets is the main one I can think of. Hellboy has done this in theory, but when you have non-human heroes its a bit unfair, and the artists haven't been so consistent with drawing Liz Sherman like she's in her fifties (maybe there's something about her powers slowing down her aging, but if so I don't remember it). My favorite comic, Usagi Yojimbo, is going forward in time at a slower pace than in the real world. Most fans figure it takes three to four years of the comic being released for Usagi to experience a year of time passing in his world. When it started in '84 Usagi was in his early 20s, now he's somewhere in his 30s. Speaking of comics, newspaper strips once occupied a place in American pop culture that is hard to imagine these days, and the strip Gasoline Alley famously let its characters age in real time... they never got the nerve to kill anybody, though, so eventually everyone just ends up in a retirement home (must be getting crowded in there).

There's certain characters, like Uncle Scrooge and his gang, that are time-locked in place and never age. But while the Huey, Dewey, and Louie of Carl Barks' '50s comics were based on kids from the first half of the 20th century in the new DuckTales cartoon they've very much Generation Z kids.

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Re: Rumor mill

Postby O.Supreme » Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:54 pm

Speaking of which, guess who cameod in the latest episode of the Avengers Animated Series:

https://www.watchcartoononline.com/aven ... 2-westland

I swear this show is soooo frustrating. It's a pale imitation of the MCU, and will never be anywhere near as good as the Legendary Avengers: EMH. However, when it actually dares to go "off script", and do something marginally interesting, they do that thing "Hey remember THAT Scene, or THAT line of dialogue from your favorite MCU? Yeah- were gonna jam it in here as awkwardly and uncomfortably as we can. :x

I know now more than ever, kids have more choices in what to watch, but with hardly anyone seemingly watching these marvel shows, I don't know why they keep making them. They don't sell toys, they don't generate ratings, they don't even encourage kids to see the MCU movies, the films own marketing does that...these all just seem pointless.
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Re: He-Man and the Masters of the Universe Reboot?

Postby mr.negativity » Sat May 19, 2018 10:16 am

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Re: Rumor mill

Postby O.Supreme » Sat May 19, 2018 10:51 am

^ I was initially very excited for this series. I guess I thought in some ways it might be the spiritual successor to the 2002 MOTU series. But now I have concerns. You can't really tell She-Ra's origin without He-Man. But it looks as thought they my try to minimize it as much as possible. Silver Surfer had a short lived series in the late 90's where they tried to establish his origin without the F4. It did not go well. Also I have other concerns...but since those opinions are not popular, I'll leave those to myself.
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Re: Rumor mill

Postby klen7 » Mon May 21, 2018 3:17 pm

O.Supreme wrote:You can't really tell She-Ra's origin without He-Man.
That's a serious problem if a character is so derivative they can't have autonomy without another hero.

I am honestly excited for my daughter to have a character like this. He-man was a big part of my entertainment diet at her age, so it would be cool for her to have a something like that
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Re: Rumor mill

Postby O.Supreme » Mon May 21, 2018 3:44 pm

klen7 wrote:
O.Supreme wrote:You can't really tell She-Ra's origin without He-Man.
That's a serious problem if a character is so derivative they can't have autonomy without another hero.

I am honestly excited for my daughter to have a character like this. He-man was a big part of my entertainment diet at her age, so it would be cool for her to have a something like that


Not a problem, just a fact. I think Season 1 of the Supergirl TV show did an excellent job of acknowledging Superman, without him overshadowing Supergirl, even when he actually appeared, he was used sparsely, too bad that show went to crap for other reasons. But - again, we have a Venom movie coming without referring to Spider-Man, and it is going to be awful.

If they started She-Ra with say a long-form episode (60-70 minuets) with an origin story featuring He-Man, then he wasn't seen again for the rest of the series, or very sparsely, it would be fine. If they just try to go a completely independent route, and not even acknowledge who She-Ra really is, or where she comes from, that would be pointless.
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Re: Power Rangers Animated Show

Postby mr.negativity » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:18 am

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