Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby daikaijusaurus » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:05 pm

Personally, I didn't think Planet of the Monsters was all that bad. Yes I was disappointed in it, and think they could've done a lot better, but I'm hopeful for the sequel to be an improvement.

I still would've preferred either an anime movie series, or even an anime TV series in the same league as the showa or the hesei series. A continuation would've been really cool. But I think no one outside the fanbase would've watched something like that. Planet of the Monsters is probably aimed at today's video game generation more than anyone else.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby canofhumdingers » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:12 pm

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canofhumdingers wrote:Wow, two weeks since this was released outside Japan and the discussion has already been dead for days...

Seems a rather damning commentary (or lack thereof...) on the first installment.

Because it SUCKS.


Yeah, that was kinda my point. It’s clearly not generating a lot of excitement or buzz. And it’s not even really controversial. It’s just kinda there.

I mean, I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t think much of it either. And it seems that’s the general consensus.

Kinda another Ron Swanson film... It was a thing. I watched it and it was over. End of review.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby klen7 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:41 pm

i spend too much time looking at Godzilla merch online, and before the international Netflix release i had noted that interest in Shin Godzilla merchandise had already retaken the lead from the much newer Anigoji stuff, which seems to me to indicate a lack of interest in Japan as well.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Feb 02, 2018 2:54 am

canofhumdingers wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:
canofhumdingers wrote:Wow, two weeks since this was released outside Japan and the discussion has already been dead for days...

Seems a rather damning commentary (or lack thereof...) on the first installment.

Because it SUCKS.


Yeah, that was kinda my point. It’s clearly not generating a lot of excitement or buzz. And it’s not even really controversial. It’s just kinda there.


It's been like this since before the move came out, practically since the project was announced. Even just using this message board as a barometer, the pre-release discussion about Planet of the Monsters and the whole anime trilogy wasn't anywhere near the level of G'14 or Shin Godzilla.

I think that's just indicative of the public's appetite for animation and live-action media in general. Anybody who watches movies watches live-action films but not everyone cares about animated flicks and even those who do watch them don't always care about anime and/or non-theatrical movies. We've seen this kind of comparatively chilly reception happen with other animated franchise offerings like Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Star Wars: The Clone Wars. I was wondering if Godzilla fandom would be any different, with it being a relatively smaller fandom and also with how many Godzilla fans are also into anime, although that latter point might have backfired since a number of fans don't seem to like how the animation looks compared to other anime.


klen7 wrote:i spend too much time looking at Godzilla merch online, and before the international Netflix release i had noted that interest in Shin Godzilla merchandise had already retaken the lead from the much newer Anigoji stuff, which seems to me to indicate a lack of interest in Japan as well.


That too. Shin Godzilla has also become a true pop-culture phenomenon unto itself in Japan. It figures that the Japanese public and fandom would be more interested in seeing Shin Godzilla 2 from Anno and Higuchi while the western public/fandom is more excited about Legendary's Godzilla: King of the Monsters and comparatively few all around are interested in this anime trilogy.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:56 am

canofhumdingers wrote:Yeah, that was kinda my point. It’s clearly not generating a lot of excitement or buzz. And it’s not even really controversial. It’s just kinda there.

I mean, I didn’t hate it, but I didn’t think much of it either. And it seems that’s the general consensus.

Kinda another Ron Swanson film... It was a thing. I watched it and it was over. End of review.
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I wish I could get to THAT level of "enjoyment" but I hated this thing so much, that if the Legendary series weren't on the horizon, it would have killed my interest in the entire franchise for a while.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby tbeasley » Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:44 pm

At the risk of sounding like a hopeless cynic, I must confess I wasn’t particularly excited for Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters. The Toho Godzilla series, as I see it, has been in pretty sorry shape for quite a long while now—with the last few entries qualitatively ranging between mediocre and whatever exists three steps beneath unwatchable dreck—and very little about this new production struck me as anything to get high hopes for. It pains me to admit it, but we have reached the point where this film franchise, for me, is merely something that exists; word of upcoming entries is not something I can, these days, form especially passionate feelings for one way or the other.

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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 7:50 pm

tbeasley wrote:
At the risk of sounding like a hopeless cynic, I must confess I wasn’t particularly excited for Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters. The Toho Godzilla series, as I see it, has been in pretty sorry shape for quite a long while now—with the last few entries qualitatively ranging between mediocre and whatever exists three steps beneath unwatchable dreck—and very little about this new production struck me as anything to get high hopes for. It pains me to admit it, but we have reached the point where this film franchise, for me, is merely something that exists; word of upcoming entries is not something I can, these days, form especially passionate feelings for one way or the other.

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Hope I never feel this way about the series I've loved since I was about 2 or 3.



You sound like me a decade ago! The newness of Millennium films wore off and (despite liking a few of the films) I took stock of the '90s and '00s movies and thought "if this is the best Toho is gonna do, it's probably best that they stop." But then I really enjoyed Godzilla '14, loved Shin Godzilla, looking forward to King of the Monsters, and while the first anime film didn't knock my socks off I did admire that it was something different.

In related news (well, not really 'news') I finished the first season of Thunderbolt Fantasy, an awesome Japanese/Taiwanese puppet show written by Gen Urobuchi, who's writing the Godzilla anime trilogy. The series was so full of twists and reveals and double-crosses it makes me hopeful for where I think the anime trilogy is headed.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:08 pm

I’m sadly there with Toho. Tokyo SOS was blah, Final Wars I had fun with but it’s a train wreck, didn’t like Shin, loathed the anime more than I loathe Transformers Revenge of the Fallen....

Legendary is the only thing keeping me engaged with Godzilla. If not for that, I really wouldn’t care. That bums me out so hard, but Toho doesn’t seem to really understand the character in an appealing way anymore. To them he’s just a big walking mountain and that’s so boring I just can’t get into it at all.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby klen7 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:26 pm

i have yet to meet a Godzilla film i dislike, but you could argue Toho hasn't known what to do with the franchise at multiple points starting with GRA. They do keep trying new things which is great, because you don't end up with remakes or the franchise dropping into complete obscurity
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:31 pm

klen7 wrote:... you don't end up with remakes or the franchise dropping into complete obscurity


Yeah, consistently, Toho's done a pretty job of keeping Godzilla out there.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Psycho Soldier » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:36 am

jellydonut25 wrote:Toho doesn’t seem to really understand the character in an appealing way anymore. To them he’s just a big walking mountain and that’s so boring I just can’t get into it at all.


There's certainly merit to this point. Looking at the past 15 years of Toho films, GFW probably gives Godzilla the most vivid personality, and it doesn't lean on him having a strange design. Not that I minded Shin Godzilla in that respect, but that approach shouldn't be the norm and it didn't pay off for POTM, Part 1.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:56 am

Psycho Soldier wrote: GFW probably gives Godzilla the most vivid personality, and it doesn't lean on him having a strange design.


Not to go off on a tangent, 'cause this is just my personal opinion and unique reaction: but I find GFW Godzilla's pointy, fox-like head to be the strangest, most distracting thing in the history of Godzilla designs. I absolutely hate it! It's the wrong shape and his eyes are small and deep in the sockets so you can hardly see them.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby klen7 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:23 am

^ but the range of motion his arms have is the best since the 70s!
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby tbeasley » Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:54 pm

Psycho Soldier wrote:Not that I minded Shin Godzilla in that respect, but that approach shouldn't be the norm and it didn't pay off for POTM, Part 1.

They did the right thing by labeling it Part 1 on Netflix. It helps temper expectations. When all 3 are available to watch back to back people will be able to judge the overall story in the proper context. It's different from Shin in that regard.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Psycho Soldier » Mon Feb 19, 2018 4:04 pm

tbeasley wrote:
Psycho Soldier wrote:Not that I minded Shin Godzilla in that respect, but that approach shouldn't be the norm and it didn't pay off for POTM, Part 1.

They did the right thing by labeling it Part 1 on Netflix. It helps temper expectations. When all 3 are available to watch back to back people will be able to judge the overall story in the proper context. It's different from Shin in that regard.


True. I doubt Godzilla will be more than a walking mountain in Parts 2 and 3, but at least we can wait and see.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:45 pm

My girlfriend wants to watch City on the Edge of Battle with me and we've been working different schedules all week so I'm waiting to watch it with her later today. In the meantime, I rewatched Planet of the Monsters and for the first time I watched it with English audio. I think the dub is really well done. The voice actors all suit their characters and they sound like real pros who take the material seriously and put emotion into their performances.

Since it's such a dialogue-heavy movie and every shot is meticulously animated, it is beneficial not having to read subtitles at the bottom of the screen so I can just focus my eyes on the animation. I noticed a lot of little details that I didn't remember before, like in the cold open when Haruo is threatening to blow up the shuttle and the guy on the intercom tells him that all of the people they're about to send down to that planet are volunteers; the screen he displays for Haruo lists the names and ages of all of the departing people and it's clear that they're all in their 60s and 70s.

The English dialogue doesn't seem to deviate much from the Japanese dialogue but there was one moment that stood out to me as being different. Here's what I posted a few months ago:

Benjamin Haines wrote:There definitely seems to be a lot of tension simmering between Metphies and Galu-gu during that scene where they talk alone, as they both take subtle jabs at the old plans of each other’s race. Galu-gu says that even if humanity had managed to defeat Godzilla way back when, “it was only a matter of time until Exif’s cult took over Earth,” to which Metphies counters that even if Mechagodzilla had defeated Godzilla, “no one knows who it would have bared its fangs at next.” Galu-gu briefly struggles to keep his composure, acknowledges that his people failed in the construction of MG, and again notes that the Exif failed to “brainwash Earthlings” with their religion.


After Metphies mentions Mechagodzilla, Galu-gu turns his gaze away and his lip briefly quivers before he looks back up at Metphies and continues to talk normally. That gave me the impression that Galu-gu was struggling to maintain his composure, to keep himself from shedding a tear and/or lashing out. It's clear that he was invested in the Mechagodzilla plan and he seems to still be kicking himself for the plan's failure. However, in the English audio, when Galu-gu's lip quivers they actually dubbed him laughing calmly at what Metphies said, like he wasn't really bothered or if he was then he had no problem hiding it. I wonder whether this is a case of the English dub team misinterpreting that moment or if I was just misinterpreting Galu-gu's feelings in this scene to begin with. Either way, I'm very interested to see what Galu-gu and Metphies are each planning next.
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