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Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 7:44 pm

Thought we could use a new thread since the movie drops worldwide in a few hours and the trilogy spoiler thread is for, well, the trilogy as a whole and thus will encompass the further installments before we'll be able to see them as well as any leaks and whathaveyou. This one is just from this first movie.

Sadly, I do know like 50% of what happens in this movie, but I did avoid reading an outright synopsis.

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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby O.Supreme » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:19 pm

So is that according to time zone? Then I guess about 1/2 the world has it by now, if they add it exactly after 12:01 AM. I've tested this before, at least where I live in CA USA. Something (I cant recall) a while back was not added exactly as 12:01, but showed up sometime in the course of the night, but when the new MST3K was added, it was there exactly at 12:01. --I'm not going to stay up because 1) I'm still recovering form being sick & 2) I have to work tomorrow, but I am definitely looking forward to watching it tomorrow night.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:43 pm

^I don't think MST3K showed up until midnight Pacific Time (2:00 am for me)?

I'm gonna attempt to get up early to watch the film before work instead of staying up.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:17 pm

I live in the Eastern time zone and Netflix usually adds new content at 3am for me. I'll watch this tomorrow night.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Dai » Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:58 am

By a stroke of luck, I happen to be on leave this week, so I was able to watch Planet of the Monsters this morning. My impression after a first viewing is that this was a somewhat better movie than I expected from Polygon Pictures, but the writing wasn't quite up to Gen Urobuchi's normal standards. I suspect that latter point is down to the project having been hastily adapted into a movie trilogy instead of the TV series that was apparently planned, and also because we've only seen a third of the story so far. It's not compromised on a basic level or anything, so don't worry about that. The plot is fine and the opening scenes, in particular, do a great job of establishing the desperate situation of the human fleet. Some interesting sub-plot threads are established concerning the motivations of the two humanoid alien races, though these don't come to fruition in the first movie. The problem is that the movie's 90-minute runtime doesn't allow enough breathing room for characterisation. Only the protagonist and one of the religious aliens get any attention in this department, and only the latter is at all interesting. The protagonist is a one-note angry revenge guy throughout the first movie. Hopefully there's scope for him to develop after he had his ass handed to him by the real Godzilla, and especially with the interesting little twist after the end credits. As for the rest of the characters, the sole female character is embarrasingly under-developed, and many of the other soldiers look and act so similarly that they just blend together, especially when they have helmets on.

The animation was pretty decent by Polygon standards. I think it's the first time I haven't been distracted by the jerky low framerate of their animation, so they must have toned it down. Ship and vehicle designs were especially good. Characters were expressive, but all looked too similar. Action scenes were dynamic, but lacked tension because the characters in peril haven't been developed enough for the viewer to care about them. Godzilla looks pretty good, especially the full-size one that shows up at the end. The biggest letdown was the servum. Their models look half-finished and don't integrate well with the rest of the scenes they're in. It's also disappointing that there's only one type of them. The razor-sharp plants and fungus-encrusted husks of buildings were a nice touch, but I was hoping for a more varied and aggressive eco-system. Maybe in the next movie?

Music was a mixed bag. It's better than I expected from that composer in the first half, with some atmospheric pieces. It falls apart in the action cues though, with a dissonant, screechy riff on an old Ifukube track that's distractingly bad.

And that's the overall feeling the movie left me with: for every good thing, there's another that's lacking. Some more attention paid to characterisation could have really elevated it, but it's in too much of a hurry to get to its confrontation against Godzilla. Hopefully the other two movies will flesh it out. Planet of the Monsters is an entertaining 3/5 that falls just short of its potential.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am

I enjoyed it, but it certainly is a 'first episode' and I can't really make too much of a judgement until seeing more than the first third of the story.

I was worried our main character would be a vengeful cliché that'd be laborious to watch, but I felt they pulled back from moments where they could have gone too far with him. He has certain goals and plans to achieve them, but you always understand his reasoning and his strategies.

Godzilla was cool, but I sadly didn't think the battle really utilized him in a cool way as we just spend a lot of time with the small aircraft buzzing him while he occasional takes out bogies with his atomic breath. I don't think the Godzilla battle got interesting until near the end when they trapped him (shades of GRA) and then when Papa Godzilla showed up with his cool beard.

The single most interesting thing is the two alien species and the fact that they ended up abandoning (question mark?) their competing plans to take over Earth to join the Earth refugees (they're refugees themselves). This, coupled with main alien priest dude's seeming Godzilla worship at the end could end up some place real cool. Oh, and I was surprised to realize the other alien species are based off the Black Hole Aliens! How neat!
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby O.Supreme » Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:17 pm

Well I was sick yesterday and was awake at midnight, and yes it was there. I watched the first 10 minuets or so, but didn't want to get too far in, I want to watch it later today with a fresh mind. But...on the surface, it did not seem like a Godzilla film at all, it seems more like an anime sci-fi space opera. I may enjoy it mor eon that level if I don't expect too much, but I guess we'll see.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:51 pm

This was bad. Plotless, character-bereft, devoid of any real action, the whole thing feels utterly pointless, even as a “first episode” or whatever. Honestly, even if I like the second one, I don’t see the need to ever revisit this again. Pretty much nothing happens. Then it ends. The trailer doesn’t so much “give away” the plot as much as it just IS the plot. This whole movie could be a ten minute prologue to an actual movie with actual characters and agency.

I imagine a lot of people will think me too harsh because it’s a basically “harmless” little movie, but it’s nothing more than a concept, and it’s a failure as a story, whether standalone or part 1 of 3. It doesn’t move anything along enough to justify its existence.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Psycho Soldier » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:53 pm

This movie is a world-building exercise someone decided to turn into a movie. It didn't appeal to me much at all. It's not outright terrible like SpaceGodzilla or Megaguirus, but until the last 20 minutes, it's largely bereft of entertainment value. I'd give it a 5.5/10. I might elaborate on my score later.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:03 pm

As far as references go, I gotta commend the deep cut with that line about the lotus seed.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:32 pm

What a waste of a medium choice too. You do something wholly animated where you can do ANYTHING with it and you throw down a Godzilla less animated (so to speak) than any previous incarnation EVER. This Godzilla sucks. Bad.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Mexigojira » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:23 pm

Well, it'as finally here, going to watch it with the spanish dub. Hope the dubbers have done a good job.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:25 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:What a waste of a medium choice too. You do something wholly animated where you can do ANYTHING with it and you throw down a Godzilla less animated (so to speak) than any previous incarnation EVER. This Godzilla sucks. Bad.


Well, the post-apocalyptic Earth and copious sci-fi machinery certainly would have been prohibitively expensive for Toho to do in live action.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby DannyBeane » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:38 pm

Well I know what I'll be watching when I need to fall asleep. It's 85 minutes of people spewing technobabble, arguing, and brooding, and about 8 minutes of terrible cgi followed by 3-5 minutes of actual cool stuff.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Psycho Soldier » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 am

I guess I'll get into my opinions a little more. These are random observations, not a coherent review, but at least I can say what I liked and disliked.

Outside of the rickety character animation, the animation and art design are pretty well done. I have to give the movie credit: colour-wise, even when the skies are perpetually grey during the Earth scenes, the movie's easy on the eyes.

I did like the scenes of people admiring the view of Earth, and Haruo getting emotional over the flowers growing. Imagine if such human sensitivity had worked its way into the rest of the film.

I appreciated seeing some old favourites on screen during the intro exposition, even if only in still shots. We're supposed to assume the humans and aliens wiped them all out, though, right? The characters focus on Godzilla as if he is the last kaiju standing. I read that there's a reference during the introduction to Hedorah being killed, but I think I missed it. Anyway, the first 10 minutes could've made for a more captivating film than the one we've been given. Imagine the horror and drama of throwing everything under the sun at Godzilla, even with assistance from aliens, but failing so miserably that humankind has to flee the planet. That's a friggin' trilogy, bleak as it would be.

I was eager to enjoy Hattori's score for the film, but other than the ominous choir near the start and end (which is excellent), it wasn't as great as it could have been. It might still work as a standalone experience, but it's not on par with the scores for SpaceGodzilla or G2K.

The characters were just as dull as I'd feared. Haruo is a flatter Eren Jaeger without the supporting cast to prop him up. The alien priest seems interesting, but no one is developed to any great extent. They really just exist for exposition and to drive the action scenes forward; it never feels like they have lives beyond the story. (Not that you'd have much of a life in a space shuttle, but still...) I guess the sole woman in the scouting regiment had a grandpa who died. Nice of her to tell us that in the middle of an action scene, where it could make an impact and not at all be overshadowed by Hoverbikes and Mecha vs. Servum and Godzilla.

Speaking of Godzilla, POTM makes even him boring. I get it, the one we primarily see is a juvenile, but he's still just a 50-meter-tall obstacle whose abilities are over-explained in advance of the action (and thus robbed of their dramatic potential).

The jargon was mind-numbing and poorly explained. Whenever the Central Council came up, I had flashbacks to the worthless nuclear power subplot in Megaguirus. I expect that story thread to prove just as superfluous in Parts 2 and 3.
My complaint here sort of ties into a larger point: POTM wastes far too much time talking about calculations, battle plans, new tech and organizations, etc., and spends too little of that time getting us emotionally invested in them.

One final thought: if POTM had been as good as its last 5 minutes, it could've easily been a 7 or 8 out of 10. That sequence has tough competition between G'14 and Shin, but it's one of the best Godzilla scenes of this generation.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby O.Supreme » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:25 am

ok, so I watched it this afternoon with my son (English Dub), I'll be watching it in Japanese later. It was ok, I did not hate it. But I look at this more as an anime sci-fi space opera rather than a Godzilla film.

jellydonut25 wrote:What a waste of a medium choice too. You do something wholly animated where you can do ANYTHING with it and you throw down a Godzilla less animated (so to speak) than any previous incarnation EVER. This Godzilla sucks. Bad.


before I get to what I enjoyed, I agree with this 100%. Animation should be a medium to really show us something we've never seen before. Sure we got some nice environments, and a super HUUUUGE Godzilla, but he was more stiff than any suit actor. Godzilla should be able to fluidly move and do things impossible for a human in a suit to mimic. I wondered often if this Godzilla was a lifeless husk, and where are its eyes??

Now to be fair, the concept was appealing to me, set in the far future, etc... It just felt like it wanted to be too epic and take itself too seriously. Serious Godzilla is good, but fun Godzilla is good to. The motives of the Exif and the Bilusaludo confuse me... So you have 2 random alien races that just *show up*, offer 2 different solutions to humanities problem, neither of which work, (and we all know aliens in Toho films are never are good...) :wink: It appears the Exif are like the Xiliens with a religious zealot spin, and the Bilusaludo are like the Aliens from the Black Hole Nebula. I still don't quite understand how we go from Earth being decimated by Godzilla, to a single ship with representatives from all 3 species 11.9 light years from earth after 20 years. So...were they conspiring together? Are there intents genuine? Are their motives nefarious? -- Will the Bilusaludo and Exif turn on each other at some point? Sorry this was the concept i found most fascinating, and I wonder if any of these things will be addressed at all....

Well it will be interesting to see how the other 2 movies further the story. I'd love to see some genuine Toho Kaiju in other films, but I guess we have to wait and see.

On a side note, I still think it would have been cool to go with a more traditional half-hour *monster-of-the-week-* type series. Give it one year (52) episodes, animate it using Showa inspired designs - all digital ink & paint (the closest to traditional we have now), no CG or cell-shading, etc...I think it would be amazing!
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby GFan » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:05 am

I'll have to watch it a second time to gather my thoughts, but overall I enjoyed it. I didn't have super high expectations, just as long as Godzilla was portrayed as a force to be reckoned with (which he was!!) I was going to be satisfied. Between Legendary's bringing back 70's savior Godzilla and the breath of fresh air that was Shin Godzilla, I felt like this anime was almost an afterthought. A side dish to the live-action series.

While the characters weren't anything to write home about, I love that they at least got Godzilla right. The idea of him being hit by 150 warheads at the same time begs for an epic flashback (or, as some have said, should have been the first movie of this trilogy). I loved the twist at the end. That saved the film for me.

Not excited for more Mechagodzilla in the sequel, but MG makes more sense in this film than in the Heisei series or the Kiryu films respective universes.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby klen7 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:02 pm

Overall a mixed bag for me, but i can see this entry swinging either higher or lower based on the following entries. As a standalone film it's a little long for it's narrative and there isn't really even a character arc you can point at, so it's hard to see this as a film i will revisit even if the following two films utilize this as a basis for strong entries into the franchise

Things I liked:
  • Alien subplot A - I am interested in whats going on here. In a film with a very small cast of actual characters, the Exif are the most interesting characters in their manipulation and "observation"
  • Tone - Cynical tone - i've heard 'nihilistic' thrown about, but there still seems to be a very 'humanistic' vibe tied to the "protagonist" - it's different and it's trying something new
  • Embracing the Sci-fi - the general conceit of leaving earth, finding theres nothing out there and having to go back is interesting
  • World building - the destruction of earth, the exodus were all interesting, the evolution of earth over the passed time is much more interesting than if they landed on an alien planet

Things I didn't like:
  • Haruo - originally this list was just going to be Haruo's name repeated 10x - but Jimpluff on tumblr offered the insight that "Haruo is more tolerable as a protagonist when you realize he doesn’t even understand his own role" - he is still painfully one-dimensional and a complete shonen archtype, but looking at the character in this light gives me some hope for future entries
  • Weak Dialogue in an exposition heavy film - I had subtitles and dub on, and the subtitles were often more intelligent and detailed than the dub. Which is weird because Polygon likes to have voiceover type conversations (very little time spent on visually seeing the person speak - a side effect of the uncanny animation?) This could feel at home with the Heisei films considering how much of the dialogue is simply explaining or restating what we are looking at on the screen. If you do feel the need to drop exposition (because its sci-fi and thats just how the genre works apparently) at least give it to me through the lens of politics, or philosophy, or character development.
  • Godzilla - Godzilla may be the most commonly used word in the movie, but with little screen time its hard to get a read on him. He is an animal, he is a force of nature - but there isnt even a sign of intelligence, he is completely reactionary outside of the opening montage. The stiff animation doesn't help, because he seems to be just standing about. With Shin Godzilla, similar scenes were much more engaging simply due to the cinematography

Other thoughts:
  • Alien Subplot B - Are these Klingon guys part of the Elf plot? Not sure the need for two alien factions at this point
  • Animation - I knew what I was getting into here, things like computer UIs looked great, people looked awkward. Godzilla had more texture than anything else on the screen,
  • This entry lives or dies on it's sequels.
  • Other characters - for the runtime and narrative, I would have expected a little more character development or even named characters


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Alien Subplot B - Are these Klingon guys part of the Elf plot? Not sure the need for two alien factions at this point
Oh! I wonder if the Exifs sabotaged the Mecha-G launch! Which would put these factions at odds with each other!
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Specium Ray » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:33 pm

I like to say "I never met a Godzilla movie I didn't like. I've even stepped up for films that fans loathe, like 98 and GFW. I couldn't finish this last night. I will finish it later (I hope) but the animation is pitiful. The story was pretty interesting and the dub acting was fine but the dialogue was very stiff. Not a good first impression.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Dr Kain » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:37 pm

Move over Space Godzilla, the title of shitiest Godzilla movie thus far has been taken over by a new king!

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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby aphvend » Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:54 pm

didn't like it. thought it was boring. animation reminded me of an old tv show "Clutch Cargo".
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Postby DannyBeane » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:55 pm

The first movie should have covered the opening flashback/montage and then ended with humans fleeing earth.
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Postby Henry88 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:43 pm

so another godzilla with a personality of a wood stump eh
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu Jan 18, 2018 9:49 pm

I thought Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters was really cool. I liked this movie a lot.

This take on Godzilla is convincingly massive and impressively powerful, especially the 300-meter original Godzilla at the end. He doesn’t show much personality but it fits his role as an ominous force of nature. He’s like a combination of the 2014 and 2016 versions of Godzilla. His overall appearance is very similar to G’14, which I think is great, while he acts a lot like G’16 and his genetic manifestation into the planet’s biosphere seems like an expansion on the ideas hinted at in Shin Godzilla. I approve.

Haruo is an interesting lead character to watch. In the beginning he seems to be driven by altruism, like he really cares about his fellow people and that’s why he resents Godzilla so much, for driving them into the emptiness of deep space to the point where they’re shedding the values that define them and turning on each other. As the story goes on, however, and Haruo ascends to commander and eventually faces Godzilla head-on, it becomes clear that he’s driven only by vengeance. He doesn’t care if he or anyone else dies in the course of his mission, unless it’s Yuko apparently.

It's always a bold choice to have Godzilla die and I like how this movie handled it. It's basically a revised version of what happens in GMK, the concept of drilling through Godzilla's hide by extraordinary means and causing his internal energy to rip through his body the next time he uses his atomic breath. Haruo actually gets to fulfill his lifelong quest for revenge, staring this 50-meter Godzilla in the face when his plan finally works, only to have the rug pulled out from under him once again by the original Godzilla. I like the idea of a Showa-like universe in which the first appearance of Godzilla precedes the appearance of a second, different Godzilla, only this time it's the second Godzilla that humanity manages to destroy before realizing that the first Godzilla is still alive and has just kept growing for nearly 20,000 years.

The Exif are one of the more intriguing alien species in the Godzilla series. They introduce themselves when Earth is already under siege by Godzilla and they offer humanity religion. Metphies recalls seeing other worlds destroyed by monsters like Godzilla, which makes me wonder if he encountered kaiju like King Ghidorah or Gigan in the past, and if he and the Exif had anything to do with monsters appearing in the first place. They definitely seem to enjoy pulling strings.

When the Bilusaludo introduced themselves and mentioned that their home planet was the third in their binary system and it got swallowed by a black hole, it hit me that these guys are an updated take on the aliens from Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla, and sure enough we get a glimpse of their MG during the opening montage. I really like the premise behind this Mechagodzilla, being created by aliens in a seemingly benevolent bid to help humanity get rid of Godzilla, only for them to be unable to activate it and forced to flee the planet with the human refugees. I think this has the potential to be a really unique take on MG, and I won’t be surprised if the Bilusaludo end up having very different faces beneath their humanlike exteriors.

Speaking of the opening credits montage, I love the classic kaiju cameos! It's similar to Final Wars only here the cameos aren't done via stock footage. I do think that Dogora graphic is a classic piece of art that was made for the '64 flick but it's not actual footage from that movie, so it's new to the screen here! Dogora and Dagahra are part of the Godzilla series now and both Orga and Kamacuras got to make brief reappearances, although I'll have to keep my eyes peeled next time because I didn't see Hedorah during that shot where the news chyron reads "Operation Hedorah." I also didn't see Anguirus or Rodan during the opening montage so I wonder if they'll show up later.

The post-credits stinger adds a new layer of intrigue to the proceedings, as it looks like there’s still a population of people on Earth after 20,000 years. I hope we get to see the next two animated films before this year is over because I am digging this.
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Re: Godzilla: Planet of the Monsters *SPOILER* Thread

Postby lhb412 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:43 am

Just watched the English dub and it's quite good. Besides being competently done, in a story so steeped in military types making plans and spouting technobabble hearing it in a language you understand makes it come alive more.

klen7 wrote:Things I liked:
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[*] Alien subplot A - I am interested in whats going on here. In a film with a very small cast of actual characters, the Exif are the most interesting characters in their manipulation and "observation"

. . .

::EDIT::
Alien Subplot B - Are these Klingon guys part of the Elf plot? Not sure the need for two alien factions at this point
Oh! I wonder if the Exifs sabotaged the Mecha-G launch! Which would put these factions at odds with each other!


Oh, them sabotaging Mechagodzilla certainly makes sense if they were competeing against each other for the conquest of Earth and believed Mechagodzilla would be used as a tool of conquest after defeating Godzilla.

... just how big is this Mechagodzilla, anyway? With Papa Godzilla being so much larger than the Godzilla is was built to fight and all.

Benjamin Haines wrote:The Exif are one of the more intriguing alien species in the Godzilla series. They introduce themselves when Earth is already under siege by Godzilla and they offer humanity religion. Metphies recalls seeing other worlds destroyed by monsters like Godzilla, which makes me wonder if he encountered kaiju like King Ghidorah or Gigan in the past, and if he and the Exif had anything to do with monsters appearing in the first place. They definitely seem to enjoy pulling strings.

When the Bilusaludo introduced themselves and mentioned that their home planet was the third in their binary system and it got swallowed by a black hole, it hit me that these guys are an updated take on the aliens from Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla, and sure enough we get a glimpse of their MG during the opening montage. I really like the premise behind this Mechagodzilla, being created by aliens in a seemingly benevolent bid to help humanity get rid of Godzilla, only for them to be unable to activate it and forced to flee the planet with the human refugees. I think this has the potential to be a really unique take on MG, and I won’t be surprised if the Bilusaludo end up having very different faces beneath their humanlike exteriors.


I was delighted to realize that the Bilusaludo were revamps of the black hole aliens, and unless I'm mistaken the Exif are similarly based on the people of Planet X. That would certainly lend credence to that bit of yours I've bolded. Like their '60s counterparts, they put on a benevolent face, only they promise religion instead of medical knowledge.
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