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Suit or no suit?

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Thu May 26, 2016 1:11 am

So there seems to be debate on the internet over whether there's a suit or not in Resurgence trailer. We know Toho says it's CGI, but do we know if they're lying or not? We've also heard 2 puppets failed, but does that mean they can't go back to make suits? What do you guys think?
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby tbeasley » Thu May 26, 2016 2:25 am

The highlighted line says, “Even though there are many CG scenes in Shin Gojira, it’s said that parts that they couldn’t do with CG or parts that would take a lot of time are being handled with tokusatsu.”

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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu May 26, 2016 10:12 am

Godzilla looks completely computer-generated to me in every shot of the trailer.

The CGI looks quite good and I like how they've replicated the stiff posture and lumbering gait of suitmation in the way Godzilla moves, but it's definitely CGI.

I do hope we see some practical effects in the finished film.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Thu May 26, 2016 11:13 am

I think Godzilla looks fine with the exception of the last shot of the trailer. The textures look smeared on his back. I actually really like opening shot with this head flailing about because it looks unique for a CG animated creation.

The only shot that made me question if it was a suit or not is the shot of his face when he tail falls behind his head. If that is CG it is a brilliantly textured model.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby lhb412 » Thu May 26, 2016 12:59 pm

Yeah, there are some shots of the head that seem practical to me, and if that's not the case then it's very good CGI.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu May 26, 2016 1:08 pm

Am I the only one who thinks the opening shot with what I can only describe as a "puppet" head looks horrible?
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Gojira07 » Thu May 26, 2016 2:21 pm

I would love to see these "failed" puppet screen tests.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby O.Supreme » Thu May 26, 2016 4:13 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the opening shot with what I can only describe as a "puppet" head looks horrible?


I thought that too, but then I thought it may have been some odd homage to the puppet used in the 1954 film...
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Thu May 26, 2016 5:41 pm

I can't put my finger on it but something about the way he stops and stares with his jaw open reminds me of a pissed off animal. Maybe I'm thinking of a dog the way it stares at something it is about to bite.

http://i.imgur.com/7p3XRP7.gifv

It was pretty strange looking at first but I'd need to see more of this.

http://i.imgur.com/uz66YkX.gifv

The foot with all the model work.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu May 26, 2016 6:29 pm

There is a shot with the foot smashing some stuff that definitely has miniature work.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu May 26, 2016 10:51 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the opening shot with what I can only describe as a "puppet" head looks horrible?

I think it's atrocious. Not a good way to start the trailer.

Interestingly, I think the reason we (kaiju fans) think the CG looks good is that it seems they've gone for making the CG look like a suit rather than an actual living creature. It's stiff, not much range of motion, and not much life to it, so it's not very obviously CGI.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Fri May 27, 2016 8:32 am

jellydonut25 wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the opening shot with what I can only describe as a "puppet" head looks horrible?

I think it's atrocious. Not a good way to start the trailer.


I also think it suffers a lot thanks to being voiced by that AM radio single speaker quality mid-Showa era roar. I'm going to be very disappointed if that's the roar they use for this movie.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Gojira07 » Fri May 27, 2016 11:33 am

jellydonut25 wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the opening shot with what I can only describe as a "puppet" head looks horrible?

I think it's atrocious. Not a good way to start the trailer.

Interestingly, I think the reason we (kaiju fans) think the CG looks good is that it seems they've gone for making the CG look like a suit rather than an actual living creature. It's stiff, not much range of motion, and not much life to it, so it's not very obviously CGI.


Thats a good point, I also think a lot of the positivity regarding the CG is based around how little faith any of us have in Japanese CG in movies..
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Sat May 28, 2016 8:22 am

kiryugoji04 wrote:There is a shot with the foot smashing some stuff that definitely has miniature work.


Oh definitely. That shots's very obvious.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby GFan » Sat May 28, 2016 2:03 pm

Moonlight SY-3 wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the opening shot with what I can only describe as a "puppet" head looks horrible?

I think it's atrocious. Not a good way to start the trailer.


I also think it suffers a lot thanks to being voiced by that AM radio single speaker quality mid-Showa era roar. I'm going to be very disappointed if that's the roar they use for this movie.


Yeah I wish Toho would go back the deeper '54/'85-91 roar, especially considering how gigantic this Godzilla is supposed to be.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby MouthForWar » Sun May 29, 2016 11:30 am

Moonlight SY-3 wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:
Hybrid Gojira wrote:Am I the only one who thinks the opening shot with what I can only describe as a "puppet" head looks horrible?

I think it's atrocious. Not a good way to start the trailer.


I also think it suffers a lot thanks to being voiced by that AM radio single speaker quality mid-Showa era roar. I'm going to be very disappointed if that's the roar they use for this movie.


It IS atrocious. It looks like a damn sock puppet.

Anyway, a few things to clear up:

-Godzilla IS indeed an all CGI creation in this movie. Only some close ups (as seen in the trailer) were done practically.

-There WAS NEVER a suit for this movie. There was a GIANT puppet that took three people to operate (think the Colossal Titan in the AoT films), but they couldn't get it to work properly, so they settled for doing it all CG. This is the puppet that was seen in the leaked images earlier this year. I wish they just stuck with the man in suit method, but no, there was never a suit constructed for this film.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby klen7 » Sun May 29, 2016 1:23 pm

Source?
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Sun May 29, 2016 2:14 pm

I think that info comes from Bob Egglington on some podcast.

Man... the fact they went CG for Godzilla greatly impacts my enthusiasm for this movie. I just have little faith in Japans ability to compete in that market.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby MouthForWar » Sun May 29, 2016 3:39 pm

Sources are Bob Eggleton, Norman England and August Ragone via various blogs and Faebook posts.

Also the trailers and ads for the movie are touring the CGI aspect ("100% CG!") as well, as if they think more people will see it if they think Godzilla is CG.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Mon May 30, 2016 4:45 am

Gargantuan Gargantua wrote:Man... the fact they went CG for Godzilla greatly impacts my enthusiasm for this movie. I just have little faith in Japans ability to compete in that market.


The fact that the CGI has fooled so many people into thinking it's a suit is a good sign to me.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby klen7 » Mon May 30, 2016 6:32 am

Where has Norman England been posting? I've seen Ragone's comments.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Mon May 30, 2016 8:05 am

I think you have to be "in the know" to see/hear what Norman has to say.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Mac » Mon May 30, 2016 8:40 am

Additionally, journalist Norman England, who worked on a number of the films as a set photographer, also confirmed it's authenticity: "It's the real deal, all right. I was able to handle the suit when I was working on a project over at Toho a little over a month ago."
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby MouthForWar » Mon May 30, 2016 11:49 am

Norman does a lot of posting on Facebook that a lot of people can't see. He doesn't really want a lot to do with the fandom these days, despite having very close ties with people working on the movies... and he chooses who can see his posts pretty carefully, so I'm not about to share a bunch of stuff that I shouldn't (which would take quite a bit of digging through old posts anyway). Besides, I don't think anybody should be sharing anyone's private Facebook posts to begin with. He's also very selective about who he friends within the fandom. He's sort of quietly removed himself from the fandom community after having a lot of bad experiences. He's still a fan, he's just not involved in any level beyond a purely personal one.

I WILL say that he's been VERY skeptical about this new film and Higuchi's involvement as a director. (He had no kind words about Attack on Titan I'll leave it at that.).

But like with GFW, people just kinda seem to be throwing his pretty valid experiences and concerns (all based on his relationships win the film makers) to the wayside cuz "ZOMG A NEW GODZILLA MOVIE"

Hearing how troubled this production has been, I share the skepticism. I never want a Godzilla movie to be bad, so I'll be hopeful. But between the BTS stories and what I found to be a very underwhelming trailer, I'm not jumping up and down with glee like a lot of people seem to be.
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Re: Suit or no suit?

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Mon May 30, 2016 1:42 pm

^^^ I know AoT was a giant turd and Higuchi definitely shouldn't be the sole director on any movie but I still enjoy his craft in the SFX world so I am not going to let AoT cheese this movie for me.

However given all the details slipping through the cracks I would say this movie would need some kind of miracle during it's production to not be a stink bomb. I went from joyful optimism to almost completely defeated. Everything I have learned about the movie makes me think this will be Final Wars successor.
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