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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:04 pm
by Henry88
Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:Then I think the short version of what what's being said in this thread is

"The series is dead"

Again. :mrgreen:


sad but true (until the old men at TOHO are gone and and more open mined people take there place)

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:04 am
by Cookie
TOHO is doing A LOT right now. You got the game coming out next month; they're holding little conventions every few months; also they have a game coming out for tablets. I think though, a anime movie wouldn't hurt anything. I'm sure a anime film wouldn't cost a ton, and the stories are endless. I'm sure TOHO would be happy seeing a anime style Godzilla film making 15m. It wouldn't hurt LPs Godzilla films as they're completely different styles, and the anime film would only be for Japan. Not sure how that over saturates the Godzilla market. You almost kind of expect Godzillas home country to do more.

I agree the old techniques of filming is pretty much dead...
that's why it wouldn't hurt to do a anime film. Hell, it might even be a break out hit there. Plus you got dvd/bluray sales.. And I'm sure there would be plenty of us who would import it. I just think its a waste for TOHO to not try something different.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:43 pm
by Mexigojira
Speaking of anime, let's say the give it green light, what if Toho decide to market the anime to the western audience? I mean, like The Big O years ago.

Also, if its going to be an anime the question would be, what if fans end not liking it? Toho could make either an anime for children, like Pokemon, Digimon or Yugi-oh, but with Toho kaiju, or something more mature like Getter Robot Armageddon, or Mazinkaizer, or why the hell not, a moe version with girls as Toho monsters (It happened with Mazinger, yeah, Japan just lost it).

I'm sure making an anime is not that easy, especially with all the animated shows in Japan, even if Toho has a whole universe to pick up ideas.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:28 am
by XvGojira
Mexigojira wrote:Also, if its going to be an anime the question would be, what if fans end not liking it? Toho could make either an anime for children, like Pokemon, Digimon or Yugi-oh, but with Toho kaiju, or something more mature like Getter Robot Armageddon, or Mazinkaizer, or why the hell not, a moe version with girls as Toho monsters (It happened with Mazinger, yeah, Japan just lost it).


I'd watch any/all of those.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:20 am
by kiryugoji04
Tsurumaki/Imaishi or bust.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:24 pm
by Psycho Soldier
I'd be totally down for a take on Gundam Build Fighters, except I don't think Toho has a great action figure/model kit line to market as a tie-in. :P Not that you really need one, I guess. I just think it'd be fun to see characters mod out kaiju figures/kits/virtual models in random ways - a Jet Jaguar with Mechagodzilla parts, a Destoroyah with Batman colours, etc.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:26 pm
by Mexigojira
i'm still conviced the best time Godzilla could have had an anime was from 70's to 90's, but I could be wrong.

So, I don't know if this is related, but Godzilla will appear again on the Monster Strike (Monsuto) game:

https://www.facebook.com/GormaruIsland/posts/1574718112757267

http://www.monster-strike.com/news/20141107_1.html

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This is the previouis game godzilla appeared on Monster Strike

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On second though, an anime of this with Godzilla would be great.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:31 am
by mr.negativity
Cookson wrote:TOHO is doing A LOT right now. You got the game coming out next month; they're holding little conventions every few months; also they have a game coming out for tablets. I think though, a anime movie wouldn't hurt anything. I'm sure a anime film wouldn't cost a ton, and the stories are endless. I'm sure TOHO would be happy seeing a anime style Godzilla film making 15m. It wouldn't hurt LPs Godzilla films as they're completely different styles, and the anime film would only be for Japan. Not sure how that over saturates the Godzilla market. You almost kind of expect Godzillas home country to do more.


Godzilla gets music festival for 60th birthday
It's a mark of how beloved and adored the great Godzilla is in his home country of Japan that the beastie will get a birthday music festival in his honour next January, in celebration of turning 60.

The creature, who originally wrecked havoc in Tokyo in a black-and-white film of the same name released in 1954, has spawned an entire franchise of subsequent movies and is a recognisable pop culture icon across the world.

There have been action figures, TV spin-offs, cartoons, and even appearances on The Simpsons - so perhaps it's little wonder that the people of Japan wanted to make sure Godzilla celebrated his sixtieth in style.

The event programme will be split into two separate parts, with the first comprising a live performance of Symphonic Fantasia No. 1, also known as the Main Godzilla Theme, composed by the prolific Akira Ifukube for the film.

And who better to perform the piece than the Tokyo Philharmonic Orchestra, led by composer/conductor Kaoru Wada who happens to be an apprentice of the late Ifukube?

This segment will also feature a question and answer session with the star of the original film Shiro Sano, who has made reappearances in some of the subsequent incarnations as well.

The second part of the festival will feature a full showing of the original film, with the soundtrack provided once again by the Tokyo Philharmonic Orchestra, along with female chorus Chor June. All attendees will receive a special commemorative bookmark upon entry.

Seats are priced at 6,500 yen, 7,500 yen, or 8,500 each depending on where you want to seat and the event will take place at the NHK Hall in Tokyo. The doors open at 4:15pm and both long-running fans and newcomers alike are welcomed.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:40 pm
by Hybrid Gojira
I like the idea of a Godzilla anime in theory. The toho universe has plenty of monsters, wacky robots, and weapons to make it work.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:47 pm
by The Great MM
Personally, I don't think we'll see any big Godzilla films come from Toho as long as Legendary is in the picture. However, that doesn't mean I don't think we won't see Toho utilize the character in entertainment in some way. I'd welcome an anime, maybe 30-50 episodes long (so it isn't so long it gets tiresome and has a set begging, middle, and end) that would bring back classic kaiju and even make some new. If not a full anime, a handful of OVAs.

If Legendary would be up to the task, bridging Godzilla and its sequel with its own cartoon series. I know this would be a pipe dream, but I'd kill to see the same animators and artists behind Godzilla: The Series back in 1998-2000 comeback for a series based on Legendary's version.

IDW has the comics covered, but I'd really hope Toho could loosen up their grip and allow some crossovers here and there. Godzilla vs. Transformers? vs. GI Joe? Hell, they said no to Godzilla vs. Cthulhu during the last infestation. C'mon, Toho. PLEASE allow that one to happen.

I'd like to see Toho and Bandai team up for a new vinyl figure line that is a bit like the recent Ultraman Spark Dolls. Smaller in scale, these things are extremely affordable and would be an awesome way to get some of the classic and obscure kaiju in toy form.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:37 pm
by Henry88
IDW has the comics covered, but I'd really hope Toho could loosen up their grip and allow some crossovers here and there. Godzilla vs. Transformers? vs. GI Joe? Hell, they said no to Godzilla vs. Cthulhu during the last infestation. C'mon, Toho. PLEASE allow that one to happen.


why are they against crossovers?.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:18 pm
by jrichreturns
^ It's because of japanese copyright laws are really arcane. Though a transformers/eva crossover is being done.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 2:24 pm
by klen7
The Great MM wrote:IDW has the comics covered, but I'd really hope Toho could loosen up their grip and allow some crossovers here and there. Godzilla vs. Transformers? vs. GI Joe? Hell, they said no to Godzilla vs. Cthulhu during the last infestation. C'mon, Toho. PLEASE allow that one to happen.
I collect Godzilla comics, but i despise crossovers. I think they undermine any world building that has occurred in all involved story universes and you can't really have a definitive conflict without diminishing the losing side, so its typically a draw. Even in shared universes it often makes little sense (why does everyone hate mutants but they are OK with super powered Avengers/Spider-Man etc)

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:32 pm
by daikaijusaurus
The Great MM wrote:
IDW has the comics covered, but I'd really hope Toho could loosen up their grip and allow some crossovers here and there. Godzilla vs. Transformers? vs. GI Joe? Hell, they said no to Godzilla vs. Cthulhu during the last infestation. C'mon, Toho. PLEASE allow that one to happen.


I love crossovers. They may not make much sense, but they are just so darn fun! I too wish Toho would loosen up a bit, I would love to see a Godzilla Vs Transformers or a Godzilla Vs Voltron. Among my favorite crossovers in comics are:

Robocop Vs the Terminator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoboCop_Versus_The_Terminator_%28comics%29

Batman Vs Predator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_versus_Predator

Robotech/Voltron
http://www.dynamite.com/htmlfiles/viewProduct.html?PRO=C72513021104000111

I actually wrote a Godzilla Vs Voltron fan fiction many years ago, here it is if anyone is interested:

Godzilla Vs Voltron: The Final Fate of Planet Arus :mrgreen:
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/414258/1/Godzilla-Vs-Voltron-Final-Fate-of-Planet-Arus

I also enjoyed the Godzilla Vs Fantastic Four/Avengers from the old Marvel comics. They were brief but a lot of fun.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 7:52 pm
by Psycho Soldier
Even if Toho were only to permit crossovers with other Japanese properties (for whatever inexplicable reason), that still opens the door for crossovers with Ultraman, Gamera, Attack on Titan, Mazinger, Gundam, etc. Letting Godzilla interact with Western characters just opens it even wider - not to mention it makes it accessible to us North Americans. Granted, allowing crossovers also could lead to really bad ideas being produced - Godzilla ending up in Westeros, for example* - but to see such things done in a professional capacity would be interesting. The demand is strong enough that Toho should reconsider its current stance.

* Now, King Ghidorah in Westeros? Entirely different story. :P

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:14 am
by Cookie
I would puke if there was ever a crossover with super heroes....

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 11:01 am
by klen7
you mean "another" crossover with super heroes?
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:12 pm
by Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!!
AND Godzilla managed to not lose to the Avengers. Literally some kid told him to stop, and he did after SHIELD, the Avengers, and the Fantastic Four failed to stop him.

Bring on the crossovers I say.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:01 pm
by klen7
C'mon... Wasp knocked Godzilla over by buzzing in his ear! Hank Pym shrunk him down to fight a rat! He walked around NY in a trench coat! Hercules lifted his foot! How many more indignities do you want?


Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:Bring on the crossovers I say.
and even that wasnt as bad as Godzilla vs Charles Barkley

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:24 pm
by Cookie
Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:AND Godzilla managed to not lose to the Avengers. Literally some kid told him to stop, and he did after SHIELD, the Avengers, and the Fantastic Four failed to stop him.

Bring on the crossovers I say.


All I have to say is..... NO to this whole idea. Leave the crossover to that old marvel comic. I don't care anyway, it'll never happen. If Toho won't allow a Gamera crossover, it'll never happen with Marvel characters.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 9:13 pm
by Henry88
it'll never happen. If Toho won't allow a Gamera crossover, it'll never happen with Marvel characters.


at least until the old men are gone.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2014 1:23 am
by Hybrid Gojira
Cookson wrote:
Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:AND Godzilla managed to not lose to the Avengers. Literally some kid told him to stop, and he did after SHIELD, the Avengers, and the Fantastic Four failed to stop him.

Bring on the crossovers I say.


All I have to say is..... NO to this whole idea. Leave the crossover to that old marvel comic. I don't care anyway, it'll never happen. If Toho won't allow a Gamera crossover, it'll never happen with Marvel characters.


I'm not a fan of crossovers unless they make sense. Godzilla vs Batman? Nope.

Godzilla vs Gamera or Pacific Rim? Sure - those could work. I just don't see either happening.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:56 am
by mr.negativity
Variety:
Japan’s Toho to Produce New ‘Godzilla’ Movie
Mark Schilling wrote:TOKYO — Ten years after “Godzilla: Final Wars,” the last Toho Godzilla movie, trampled across the screen, the Japanese studio is gearing up to make another film featuring its iconic character.

The movie is scheduled to begin production in the summer of 2015 and bow theatrically in 2016, Toho sources have revealed. Details, including director and cast, have yet to be announced.

The inspiration is the success of Gareth Edward’s 2014 “Godzilla,” which earned $525 million worldwide and JPY3.2 billion ($26 million) in Japan, with Toho and Warner Bros. Japan co-distributing.

Toho has launched what it calls the Godzilla Strategic Conference (Godzi-Con), a committee of studio executives and directors whose aim is to reboot the Godzilla brand, including the new “Godzilla” pic.

The head of the new Godzilla project, veteran producer Taichi Ueda, told the press that, though Toho will not spend the $200 million reportedly lavished on the American “Godzilla,” “The time has come for Japan to make a film that will not lose to Hollywood.” Ueda added that Toho hopes to make Godzilla a character that “will represent Japan and be loved around the world” by the time of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

As part of its effort to reacquaint a new generation of Japanese with the country’s signature monster, Toho plans to erect a giant Godzilla statue in its Toho Cinemas Shinjuku theater by April of next year.

Meanwhile, Edwards has been signed to make “Godzilla 2,” which is set for a June 8, 2018, bow, with Legendary and Warner Bros. again co-producing.

The 28th Godzilla pic since Ishiro Honda’s first in 1954, Ryuhei Kitamura’s “Godzilla: Final Wars” earned a disappointing $12 million following its 2004 release, prompting Toho to put the character into cold storage.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:35 am
by walshiam
It makes very little sense to me when all Toho would have to do is rake in the rewards of the American films leaving the risks on these shores. I did forget one all important factor in their decision to do so.....................pride. Like Americans, Japanese possess a profound nationalistic pride. They may or may not find it difficult to accept the success of the American film based on the fact it was done with their property, something they themselves could not sustain in Japan. The debate on which companies can make a better Godzilla movie is still open but one thing is for sure. No one can make a Godzilla film on their budget with some marginally successful results.

Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:57 pm
by lhb412
^Let's hope that pride inspires them to make a great film.

This is a different kind of reaction than the one from GINO: that film was so reviled by fans who disowned that creature as anything close to Godzilla. Toho simply had to bring back a more authentic Godzilla. Legendary's Godzilla has been accepted by fans. Even those who were more than critical about the film thought Godzilla was great. The main complaint is that they wanted more of Godzilla. Toho can't simply fill a vacuum after a failure, they have to compete with a creative success accepted by fans.