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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Legion » Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:24 pm

Sounds more like Toho just wants to find creative ways to cash in and make more money on the franchise without having to make more movies.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:46 pm

I don't see Toho doing much with Godzilla until LP has completed their films. That being said, a 4 year gap between each new film leaves plenty of room for Toho to make their own movie...assuming they wanted to. At this point, they can literally stand back and rake in the cash from promotions/cash, movie tie ins, and the eventual new film once that is released. I'm not sure they need to make a new film (though I would be happy if they did).
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Mac » Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:02 pm

Hybrid Gojira wrote:At this point, they can literally stand back and rake in the cash from promotions/cash, movie tie ins, and the eventual new film once that is released.


The movie was successful domestically in Japan, and the 2018 release date for the next Legendary film forces Toho to be more proactive in cashing in on that success. They're not going to wait until 2018 to make money off their Godzilla property again, and for all they know that film could be in development hell by then.

We could see a similar situation to how Godzilla 2000 was made after Godzilla 1998's sequel stalled.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby kiryugoji04 » Fri Oct 17, 2014 6:01 pm

Mac wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote: Tsurumaki



Ugh, hell no. Satoshi Kon or screw anime.


EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot he passed. Screw anime.


You shut your face. Kazuya Tsurumaki is amazing.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Cookie » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:18 pm

I hope new toys and stuff like that is not what Toho is thinking. Sure that's fine if your making movies.. But to say making new toys is the best creative route is best, well this gojikon is pointless. Hopefully new movies from Toho come from this.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby XvGojira » Sat Oct 18, 2014 1:55 am

A web series perhaps? They could make it like an amateur videographer/blogger/kaiju-chaser/GPN type thing to keep the cost low and experiment with techniques (instead of having the same kinds of shots we've seen in past Toho films).
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:43 am

TV show is the way to go yo. If its half as interesting as Gransazers or any of the Ultra Star Gods shows Toho made in the 2000s, I'd call it a win.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby DannyBeane » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:06 am

If the suits were still good or if they still had the molds, a show that has the G2k Godzilla along with the GFW kaiju could be filmed cheaply, quickly and still be a lot of fun. They could call it something simple like Godzilla Monster Island or Godzilla Wars or something like that.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Legion » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:49 am

Cookson wrote:Hopefully new movies from Toho come from this.


I really hope not. Toho would be foolish to saturate the market with their own lower budget/quality Godzilla films in between the LP entries. Worst case scenario, they could turn out a piece of crap like GFW that further hurts the franchise instead of helping it.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby mr.negativity » Sat Oct 18, 2014 2:06 pm

Legion wrote:
Cookson wrote:Hopefully new movies from Toho come from this.


I really hope not. Toho would be foolish to saturate the market with their own lower budget/quality Godzilla films in between the LP entries. Worst case scenario, they could turn out a piece of crap like GFW that further hurts the franchise instead of helping it.

TOHO reminds me of the movie CASINO:
But I knew the trick with whales like Ichikawa...
was that they can't bet small for long.
He didn't think of it as winning 10,000...
he thought of it as losing 90,000.

I bet they'll announce a new movie. Maybe a direct to Netflix deal.


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Jim Pluff wrote:I’m feeling too lazy to work on translating much of this, but the gist is that Toho is meeting to consider what to do with Godzilla from the 61st anniversary onward, considering new projects and concepts.

The author notes that, while there are many fans who would like another Japanese Godzilla film (and a new generation of fans becoming charmed by Godzilla once more), that would be a tough sell alongside the Hollywood version, which was a worldwide hit. Still, it’s entirely possible Toho will have something in the works—whatever that something may be.

I guess we'll know soon. Godzilla will be 61 next year.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Mac » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:07 pm

Legion wrote:
Cookson wrote:Hopefully new movies from Toho come from this.


I really hope not. Toho would be foolish to saturate the market with their own lower budget/quality Godzilla films in between the LP entries. Worst case scenario, they could turn out a piece of crap like GFW that further hurts the franchise instead of helping it.


Godzilla: Final Wars was foremost a failed attempt at making a Godzilla film that could reach an international market. Legendary's film series is doing that for them now. No future Japanese film is going to ape Hollywood the way GFW did. Besides that, the objective of Gojikon seems to be gauging domestic interest by:

1) Trying to re-position Godzilla once again as a cultural icon of Japan. (Which might mean making the film traditionally)
2) Make money off the Godzilla property while there is still interest and before Legendary's next film starts going (i.e. 2017 at the earliest).

Toho doesn't really have to worry about saturating the global market because anything they produce won't reach 90% of the people Legendary's film has, whether it be a television series, or film. Theoretically, a Toho produced Godzilla film could be released in Dec. 2015 (which is about right considering Japanese film schedules), completely bomb, and the movie would still have minimal effect on the box-office performance of Legendary's big-budget Hollywood sequel released almost three years later in the Summer of 2018.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby walshiam » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:18 pm

I think television might be the way to go with Godzilla like what Tsuburaya did with Ultraman. Same format, just have Godzilla take Ultraman's place. It would be a great way to introduce new monsters and we may get a few more iconic creatures in the process.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Cookie » Sat Oct 18, 2014 4:10 pm

Legion wrote:
Cookson wrote:Hopefully new movies from Toho come from this.


I really hope not. Toho would be foolish to saturate the market with their own lower budget/quality Godzilla films in between the LP entries. Worst case scenario, they could turn out a piece of crap like GFW that further hurts the franchise instead of helping it.


Well, its got to be something along the lines of a movie or something visual. If its nothing like that, then this whole gojikon is pointless in my opinion. Sounds like its more of a local thing to gain interest back and they want to pursue new film ideas or something like that. LPs films are taking care of the global interest thing. It says 61 years, so presumably we MIGHT get something new from TOHO next year, and if its a movie, we'll here about it soon probably.

I just don't see the point of something like this, if they don't aren't planning a movie, anime movie or a tv show.

Also, they do have that video game coming out, which is a step in the right direction... That's why I think bigger things are coming. TOHO movies or a tv show along with the LP films.. Could be a great time to be a G fan.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby lhb412 » Sat Oct 18, 2014 7:09 pm

Doing a TV series, or, in this age of Netflix and downloads, something equivalent to a TV series like short films, seems the best option. You could get name directors to turn in installments in different styles. It could be a lot of fun and allow for experimentation in a way Toho has sadly not been conducive to in the past few decades.

Maybe a co-production with Tsuburaya, one of the few places with the practical effects infrastructure? Hell, a bet Godzilla vs. Ultraman would cause a stir!
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby jamaal7 » Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:02 pm

lhb412 wrote:Doing a TV series, or, in this age of Netflix and downloads, something equivalent to a TV series like short films, seems the best option. You could get name directors to turn in installments in different styles. It could be a lot of fun and allow for experimentation in a way Toho has sadly not been conducive to in the past few decades.

Maybe a co-production with Tsuburaya, one of the few places with the practical effects infrastructure? Hell, a bet Godzilla vs. Ultraman would cause a stir!


I like this. A television series featuring different directors. It could be something special if they're allowed the creative freedom necessary to make interesting, creative films. I know I would love to see this. For example, I would love to see an entry (or entries) directed by Shusuke Kaneko. Or Keita Amemiya.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Mexigojira » Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:11 pm

Just a though, let's say toho does a Godzilla show, either anime or Tokusatsu, Who will be the main target? children?, adult fans?, who?.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:54 pm

It'll have to be a live action show, not unlike Gransazers (also from Toho). An anime series similar to the old Hanna Barbera cartoon would be a great way to do it, some kind of research group that follows Godzilla everywhere and document the fights he gets into whenever there are other monsters.

Maybe stumble upon conspiracies so the show could have multi-part stories (3 or 4 parters) culminating in the defeat of the monster of that arc
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby mr.negativity » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:28 pm

jamaal7 wrote:
lhb412 wrote:Doing a TV series, or, in this age of Netflix and downloads, something equivalent to a TV series like short films, seems the best option. You could get name directors to turn in installments in different styles. It could be a lot of fun and allow for experimentation in a way Toho has sadly not been conducive to in the past few decades.

Maybe a co-production with Tsuburaya, one of the few places with the practical effects infrastructure? Hell, a bet Godzilla vs. Ultraman would cause a stir!


I like this. A television series featuring different directors. It could be something special if they're allowed the creative freedom necessary to make interesting, creative films. I know I would love to see this. For example, I would love to see an entry (or entries) directed by Shusuke Kaneko. Or Keita Amemiya.

Aw yeah TOHO & Tsuburaya teaming up to bring us new monsters.
That would be one hell of an anouncement.

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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Henry88 » Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:28 pm

daikaijusaurus wrote:
Cookson wrote:I'd be down with anime style G films if they went that route. Hopefully good stuff comes from this.


This is something that I've wanted for a very long time. A Toho Godzilla animated TV series or even an animated film series would be the ultimate playground for Godzilla. There would no longer be budget constraints, so there would be endless possibilities for stories and monsters.


this cloud be a very big bandwagon,a godzilla anime....the sky is the limit.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Mexigojira » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:50 am

I can only imagine a Godzilla anime being done like Digimon or Pokémon (or Gundam Build Fighters, I hope) style, with Godzilla and co. being partnered with a kid.

The story could tell that the result of big kaiju war, where Mothra, in a desperate moment, sealed all kaijus (herself included), in order to save humanity. :mrgreen:

Cue years later when talismans that contain the kaijus are discovered by archeologist (from the far future), only to be attacked by the terrorist organization Red Bamboo, who want the talismans for themselves, but one of the archeologist escape with one of the Talismans (Godzilla). He gaves it to his son before being killed by the red bamboo, and now the child and godzilla will have to find the other talismans and stop the evil Red Bamboo.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:42 am

I would totally watch the f*** out of that
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Henry88 » Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:39 pm

The story could tell that the result of big kaiju war, where Mothra, in a desperate moment, sealed all kaijus (herself included), in order to save humanity.


that sounds rather good.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:13 pm

Reminds me of Marvel's Disc Wars really. Ya hear that Toho!? Do that!
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Cookie » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:26 am

Tohos Facebook page posted something new about having some kind of panel discussing the new video game. It mentions Takarada being there, and stuff about blu rays. The translation sucks, but doing things like this helps keep interest in Japan. Hopefully its not the only thing Toho plans on doing. Panels only go so far. Hopefully we get more concrete info soon if they intend to put any kind of production, whether it be a tv show or more movies, into motion.

edit: here's the website. http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv197600584 It looks like its gonna be a live broadcast in 11/3. Not viewable outside Japan though.
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Re: Toho Launches Gojikon (Godzilla Strategy Council)

Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:46 am

Toho will probably announce a new film called "Godzilla, Mothra, and King Ghidorah: MechGodzilla Will Show Just Because."

It's hard to read into this. I think Toho discussing the future of the franchise is a good thing. I also think they would be served well by learning from their past mistakes and taking a page out of Daiei's book and allowing much more time between movies a la Gamera 2/Gamera 3...assuming they decide to make new films. I don't really think there is a reason to make a new film until LP is done with their movies. Is the demand for a new Godzilla movie that high in Japan? I guess that is one of the questions they are probably asking.
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