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Postby Cookie » Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:46 pm

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/12 ... scover_pop

They are seeking 25k, and at 6.2k now. Sounds and looks cool. Maybe worth thinking about donating. I've been in contact with them. They are very passionate about this.

On a personal note, they agreed to let me come over to watch some filming if/after its funded. That would be fun.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:02 pm

Wow, that looks pretty interesting. I hope he won't be yellow in the movie though.
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Postby jrichreturns » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:25 am

I contributed 15 dollars.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby HannibalBarca » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:23 am

Tossed in $25. Here's hoping Toho doesn't bring the hammer down; the movie looks pretty cool. I've heard grumbling about the Godzilla design, but I think that they took it in an interesting new direction. Not the sort of thing I'd like to see in a Hollywood reboot, exactly, but for a fan film like this a little experimentation is welcome. And I can always appreciate quality work like they seem to have done with the suit. Also, I'm glad to see that they're actually trying to tie it into the framework of the franchise, with the main character being Steve Martin's son or grandson or whatever it was. Maybe it's the "Grampa, Grampa!" kid from G'85, haha.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby klen7 » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:57 am

It says Rashaad Santiago is doing the creature costumes. He went to the finals on the most recent season of 'Face Off' and i generally loved his concepts and sculpts the best but was frequently perplexed by his color choices.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby Gwangi » Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:41 pm

HannibalBarca wrote:Here's hoping Toho doesn't bring the hammer down; the movie looks pretty cool.


Well, I’m not a lawyer, but I do play one on the Internet! Since this is non-profit vehicle, I don’t think Toho has any legal grounds to interfere, otherwise they would already have put a stop to all of the fan made films or dioramas shown at G-fest or other conventions.

HannibalBarca wrote:Maybe it's the "Grampa, Grampa!" kid from G'85, haha.


So now we know the name of the kid from “Godzilla 1985”. Little Jack yelling “Grampa, grampa!” :mrgreen:
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby angilas » Fri Jun 27, 2014 3:39 pm

Gwangi wrote:
HannibalBarca wrote:Here's hoping Toho doesn't bring the hammer down; the movie looks pretty cool.


Well, I’m not a lawyer, but I do play one on the Internet! Since this is non-profit vehicle, I don’t think Toho has any legal grounds to interfere, otherwise they would already have put a stop to all of the fan made films or dioramas shown at G-fest or other conventions.

HannibalBarca wrote:Maybe it's the "Grampa, Grampa!" kid from G'85, haha.


So now we know the name of the kid from “Godzilla 1985”. Little Jack yelling “Grampa, grampa!” :mrgreen:


Not true. Toho can still sue under a theory of trademark dilution or even infringement profit does not need to be at issue. That's why toho was able to get youtube to stop EBundergrounds music videos which were not for profit. Sure there are other music videos out there but perhaps toho feels the quality renders them less of a threat to their being able to sell a more valuable license to a company that wants to use Godzilla in a professional manner.
Toho will probably catch wind of it and if they deem it a threat they will stop production. Toho is lenient on g-fest probably due to a good relationship with JD lees and sees the value in having conventions after seeing what Trekkies and comic fans have gained through theirs.
I'm also not a lawyer yet though.

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Postby HannibalBarca » Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:02 pm

I'm in law school, actually, so it's kind of embarrassing that I don't know for sure what Toho is or isn't capable of here (then again I haven't taken any sort of intellectual property classes either, so let's just call it a wash). In either event, I'm always going to assume that Toho will overreact to any situation involving someone being very public about doing something, ANYTHING, with the Godzilla brand without their approval. The fact that they've accumulated $6000+ on kickstarter probably won't make Toho any happier.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby Cookie » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:13 pm

Can Toho sue if they feel this film can make the character look bad? Anyway, they're struggling to get funded... My guess is, they won't reach the goal. If its close at the end, I will donate some.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:15 pm

HannibalBarca wrote:The fact that they've accumulated $6000+ on kickstarter probably won't make Toho any happier.


I think that's what will motivate Toho to step in here. If they were just making a Godzilla suit, a poster, and a fan film to post on the internet, it probably wouldn't be a problem, but the folks behind this are publicly soliciting cash donations for this project.
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Postby angilas » Fri Jun 27, 2014 7:09 pm

Cookson wrote:Can Toho sue if they feel this film can make the character look bad? Anyway, they're struggling to get funded... My guess is, they won't reach the goal. If its close at the end, I will donate some.


They can but the kickstarter could have an affirmative defense on the grounds of Parody. But my guess is that would not work unless they make this a real mockery without being vulgar. And that's just to the Copyright Infringement on the story of Godzilla.

For the trademark as to Godzilla's character and likeness, thanks to GINO what constitutes as Godzilla is now fairly broad, though I think there was evidence Toho tried to abandon the GINO trademark or separate Zilla from Godzilla which may make what is Godzilla more narrowly defined. Previous cases labelled him a giant prehistoric fire breathing monster living in the present age. With that taken into account maybe if you have him breath water...or make crazy facial expressions.

The thing is they have to avoid consumer confusion as to who is making this and for what purpose. While its not for profit I'm not exactly sure how this would work. The kickstarter campaign should be readily apparent to not be Toho funded but once they start showing this its a different matter. The courts could go different ways on it. Toho will probably send a C&D letter first like they did to us at EB Underground, or rather youtube for hosting us. From there the kickstarter could file for a declarative judgment motion and make Toho uncomfortable by taking them to court in a state more preferable to the defendants. The problem from there is Toho has the bigger pockets and by the time the trial is done I think everyone would have lost interest years ago.

I've taken a few IP courses and got an A in Trademark Law so don't feel bad HannibalBarca, but my memory is a bit rusty and it can get quite complicated.
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby HannibalBarca » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:15 pm

Ah, cool, good for you. Looking to go into copyright law then? I'm gonna roll the dice on public policy/service and see if I come out with any sort of income whatsoever :P
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Postby jrichreturns » Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:56 pm

Kaiju Killer is still up...
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Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:29 am

jrichreturns wrote:Kaiju Killer is still up...

but they aren't selling DVDs/blu-rays of that like this says it intends to...

also, Kaiju Killer is ATROCIOUS, Toho probably keeps it up as a sort of scarecrow, "This is how bad all fan projects will turn out, so don't even bother"
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Postby angilas » Sat Jun 28, 2014 2:50 am

^lol. Yeah I think Toho likes to strike at the good ones. And not immediately either. I had started making videos with EB Underground in 2003, and the C&D didnt hit us and have our youtube accounts banned until 2008. But if something catches their eye early like a kickstarter I can imagine far more swift action. Their legal department in the US seemed rather zealous.

HannibalBarca wrote:Ah, cool, good for you. Looking to go into copyright law then? I'm gonna roll the dice on public policy/service and see if I come out with any sort of income whatsoever :P


I'm a patent guy mostly but I figure we all have to get through the same bar with varying levels of debt so I'll do my best to remain flexible. Wouldn't mind practicing in Japan, but I hear its an uphill battle if you haven't interned their as a student. Good luck, there are a lot of lawyers but not enough good ones, so Im sure if you like it and remain motivated, you'll do well. Especially in Washington (public policy).
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Postby jrichreturns » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:37 am

Even plugged it on my Beer Review Channel on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZzANK_QWso I wonder what other "super fauna" are going to be included?
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Re: GODZILLA: HERITAGE - non profit fan film

Postby Cookie » Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:16 pm

They need $10,500 more. If you want to see a decent non profit Godzilla film, please donate what you can.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/12 ... a-heritage
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Postby daikaijusaurus » Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:43 pm

Forgive my negativity, this is a very ambitious project and I wish the filmmakers the best. But I'm not digging Godzilla's design at all. He looks more like an iguana with weird Godzilla-like spines than Godzilla himself. I like the Angilas design and the story of the film sounds really good, but Godzilla's design is really killing it for me.

But I wish them the best and hopefully the movie will get made without any interference from Toho.
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Postby Cookie » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:42 am

I believe they said they were going to make a new Godzilla suit.
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Postby daikaijusaurus » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:23 pm

Looks like this fan film is coming along pretty well. Here are some photos of the Godzilla suite and maquette from their Facebook page:

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I must say that I am really impressed with the quality of the production, looks like a traditional Toho tokusatsu production. I am really looking forward to this and the story of the movie sounds really intriguing.

BUT, I am not at all into the design of their Godzilla. The suit looks impressive, but the design is not. To me it looks like a cross between GINO and Zedus (from Gamera the Brave) and a small touch of Godzilla thrown into the mix. Don't know what they were thinking when they came up with this design.

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Check out their Facebook page for more info and photos.
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Postby klen7 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:29 pm

are they really going to have the suit actor leaning that far forward?
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Postby daikaijusaurus » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:52 pm

klen7 wrote:are they really going to have the suit actor leaning that far forward?


LOL! Seems like it. It's funny because this is supposed to be a direct sequel to Godzilla 1985, and their Godzilla is such a departure from that design. Here is the fan film's plot outline from their Facebook page. Story sounds kinda cool to me.

Since Godzilla's first attack in 1954, mankind has been under constant threat from gigantic creatures known as "Superfauna" - animals mutated by the coming of the nuclear age and man's abuse of the atom's destructive power. Humanity was united against a common foe and for almost 60 years, worked collectively to study and combat the creatures as millions died, cities crumbled and the world's economy continued to collapse. Now, the world seems to finally be bringing the threat under control. Jack Martin is a correspondent for United World News and the grandson of Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Steve Martin, who's riveting coverage of the 1954 raid on Tokyo made him a legend. With his grandfather's shadow always overhead, Jack has spent his career attempting to forge his own legacy, showing great promise as a journalist before spiraling into depression. In the process, he has severely damaged both his reputation and his marriage to family friend, Kaori Ogata. Before leaving the agency, Jack decides to travel to a small pacific island with his life-long friend Mitch Lawrence, who now runs UWN's old newspaper division. While the two wait to attend a ground-breaking ceremony for a new building, Godzilla suddenly reappears after nearly 30 years of absence...and he hasn't returned alone. With the King of the Monsters' threat looming, Jack must decide whether to flee or finally embrace his heritage and report the attack as it happens - risking not only his life, but the lives of his best friend and his wife.
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Postby daikaijusaurus » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:30 am

Here are some art from their version of Angilas for the fan film by a VFX company called Technically Magic Effects:

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and more Godzilla:

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A lot more photos here: http://www.chaz-vance.squarespace.com/godzilla-heritage/

Toho should really consider hiring these guys for their future movies, their work is amazing! Im really digging the look of Angilas, very dinosaur-like but still recognizable as Angilas. Still not digging their Godzilla design, but I guess it may grow on me when/if I ever watch the movie.
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Postby rockstarbd82 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:18 am

I will say this concerning TOHO and fan films.

Some you know I just released GODZILLA BATTLE ROYALE on Godzilla's 60th Anniversary last year. Aside from that since 2008 I've been posting videos of my costume progress to 2010, then of my video dabbling process from 2010 to 2014 of the fan film ideas which formulated to GBR.

Granted I was also very inspired by Elchesyn's Kaiju Killer efforts and even got to work with him (though thats a "discussion" for another time.) His videos has been up since 2006sh.

Also my film was allowed to be filmed at G-fest, Shinji Higuchi himself (who still works for TOHO) saw our progress and loved it soo much he posted our video links on his facebook for all his peers to see. I thought I was finished there in 2011 but 4 years later, I haven't heard or received anything from TOHO.

Also consider the fact that I was able to get the participation of Robert Scott Field and Akira Takarada himself as cameos in my film. I knew I was taking a big risk there but as they say, "no guts no glory."

Now that it's screened at Gfest, been featured in Rue Morgue Magazine, my local Chicago News/Paper (toho has lawyers in Chicago from what I've read), had articles in Kotaku Japan, and even had my own Free Pickwick Premiere showing, and hit a quarter of a million views on youtube in 2 months, I still haven't heard or received one thing from TOHO. Part of me feels bad as yeah I'd love to get noticed by them in a way and it hurts to consider I may be small potatoes to them.

On the other hand though, it kinda feels good that I accomplished something rather rare on the level of fan films for a company that's pretty strict about its properties use. And yea, that can always change in a heart beat and I may get a C&D. I'd still feel happy about my accomplishments and journey as much as many in the fandom like to mock my efforts or make me think I wasted my time or others who take a chance and express their creativity. I'm not selling anything from my film, haven't made a dime, never relied on a Kickstarter, paid all out of my own pocket to finish the film, and have no regrets doing it. Legally yes, it goes deeper than that and there's always loopholes, but fan films always tend to lie in a legal grey zone if they're non-profit. It was never about money with me, it was about contributing something fun/creative to the fandom and hoping others would agree or appreciate my efforts.

Not trying to boast but all I'm trying to say is that I tried to make something special, paid tribute/homage to TOHO/Universal/Kadakowa, and am kinda living proof that some forms of creativity with TOHO is allowed if done right. (not trying to jinx myself though).

As far as Heritage is concerned, I'm behind them all the way despite the fact they are my competition. I'm even in talks to hopefully assist them in the coming months so I'm definitely excited there. Regardless of how they're going about it, I support them and any fan effort to keep the old school art of the monster film alive.

There's also been quite alot of successful godzilla related kickstarters going including John DeSentis's Gfest Orchestra, The Kaiju Gaiden documentary and Kaijucasts podcast interviews from Japan, and the French Kaijunited documentary in the like. Sure Toho kinda got wind of the concert but worked things out to a compromise and the concert still happened which was amazing. Anything's possible.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:39 pm

I'm mostly curious to see how their miniature work turns out.
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