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Postby buykaiju » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:28 pm

Hi All,

I was just thinking, if Toho ever picks up the Godzilla series again someday, I think it would be really great if they went back to the showa days of Godzilla being a defender of man-kind.

As many of us know, back in the early 90's we almost got an American Godzilla film directed by Jan de Pont, where he envisioned a Godzilla to be a product of an ancient civilization created to protect the earth from an alien threat.

I think this would be a great direction for Toho to take the new Godzilla series, with endless possibilities of stories and ideas for both new and classic enemy monsters.

I for one would be very excited to see something like this, and by the time Toho does pick up a new Godzilla series (if ever), it would probably be long after Legendary's Godzilla series of films. By that time, Toho may just go all CGI with Godzilla, and if that becomes the case, it would be great to finally use Stan Winston's Godzilla design, which I have always loved.

Man, that would be so awesome! Maybe someday...


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Re: New Toho Godzilla Series after Legendary

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:31 pm

buykaiju wrote:As many of us know, back in the early 90's we almost got an American Godzilla film directed by Jan de Pont, where he envisioned a Godzilla to be a product of an ancient civilization created to protect the earth from an alien threat.

I think this would be a great direction for Toho to take the new Godzilla series
A billion times no.

I'm thrilled the Jan de Bont thing never happened...I mean, I suppose I'd take it over the current GINO, but it'd have been GINO in its own way.
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Postby GhostMachine » Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:55 pm

Let me summon my opinion up thusly.....

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Postby XvGojira » Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:48 pm

Infinite diversity in infinite combinations. I'm game for anything. I might "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" and moan about some things but I'll still give it a chance and usually given enough time with it I'd accept it. For Godzilla to continue to survive, the series has to evolve in some manner, and change is very scary for both fandom and those writing checks.

But if Toho were to do another series it would be after the American films have their run, which, let's say we get a trilogy with scheduled releases and Toho gives it a few years to breath, wouldn't be until after 2020.

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Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:38 pm

I don't think Toho will ever do a Godzilla movie on their own ever again.

And a lot of people in this fandom quite frankly wouldn't give a "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" over it.
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Postby XvGojira » Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:48 pm

Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:I don't think Toho will ever do a Godzilla movie on their own ever again.

And a lot of people in this fandom quite frankly wouldn't give a "OH GODZILLA! WHAT TERRIBLE LANGUAGE!" over it.


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Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:56 pm

Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:I don't think Toho will ever do a Godzilla movie on their own ever again.
I don't think that at all...unless film in general dies out at some point...

You don't think Toho would take another stab EVENTUALLY?

Even if they just re-hashed an old plot line like they've been doing for years.
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Postby Psycho Soldier » Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:43 pm

I'll be frank: unless there's a sudden injection of good creative talent at their studio, and an initiative to work at a reasonable pace on each new instalment (i.e. one every two or three years with considerable time spent in each stage of production), I would rather Toho didn't bring back Godzilla on their own again.

I don't want to see Wataru Mimura attached to another one of their scripts, nor Masaaki Tezuka as director. I do not want to hear that Toho strong-armed yet another director into shoving in King Ghidorah, Mothra, and/or Mechagodzilla, rather than trusting the filmmakers' judgments. Making bank is nice for the studio and for the fans, yes, that's generally hard to dispute. But a lack of care, passion and talent has been painfully evident in many of these movies since at least 1991. I'm glad the franchise has come into the hands of people who all give a damn, even if it had to cross the Pacific to do so.

Apologies if I sound bitter. I do enjoy many of the Heisei and Millennium films, and I respect most of the hard-working, creative people involved in the productions. I just don't think the Toho suits have respected the filmmaking process where these sorts of movies are concerned. Ten years have passed since GFW, but I have my doubts that the studio would do things much differently nowadays, were they to reboot Godzilla themselves.
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:17 am

Bruticus wrote:I'll be frank: unless there's a sudden injection of good creative talent at their studio, and an initiative to work at a reasonable pace on each new instalment (i.e. one every two or three years with considerable time spent in each stage of production), I would rather Toho didn't bring back Godzilla on their own again.

I don't want to see Wataru Mimura attached to another one of their scripts, nor Masaaki Tezuka as director. I do not want to hear that Toho strong-armed yet another director into shoving in King Ghidorah, Mothra, and/or Mechagodzilla, rather than trusting the filmmakers' judgments. Making bank is nice for the studio and for the fans, yes, that's generally hard to dispute. But a lack of care, passion and talent has been painfully evident in many of these movies since at least 1991. I'm glad the franchise has come into the hands of people who all give a damn, even if it had to cross the Pacific to do so.

Apologies if I sound bitter. I do enjoy many of the Heisei and Millennium films, and I respect most of the hard-working, creative people involved in the productions. I just don't think the Toho suits have respected the filmmaking process where these sorts of movies are concerned. Ten years have passed since GFW, but I have my doubts that the studio would do things much differently nowadays, were they to reboot Godzilla themselves.


Yup, all this.

If the new film hits it out of the park, I don't see why anybody would want to go back to the days of forcing monsters on directors, rushing the writing process, rushing the shooting, tiny budgets, hiring the cheapest directing talent available (with a few exceptions of course) etc. The series and especially the character really does deserve better and has for a long time. And Toho clearly don't have or want to spend the money to make these movies the giant spectacles they need to be these days. The Godzilla series used to hold its own against the American blockbusters of the 50s and 60s with huge spectacle, grand effects, and top notch A-list stars of the time... but it really hasn't been able to do that in a LONG time.
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Postby buykaiju » Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:44 am

While I agree that Toho has made quiet a few mistakes and bad decisions in the past, I do believe they can learn from their mistakes.

So far, everything I've heard and seen from Legendary and Gareth Edwards shows me that they have a passion for what they're doing and have the talent and ability to give us the dream Godzilla movie we've been waiting for.

So, long after the Legendary Godzilla film(s) have come and gone, if Toho ever decides to start making Godzilla films again, I truly believe they will learn from Legendary and set a higher standard for their films. This may be wishful thinking on my part but I truly believe Toho won't repeat their past mistakes after Legendary's take on Godzilla. Here's hoping...
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Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:28 am

I don't think Toho is capable of learning.

This is mostly a Japanese thing. Stuck in the same cycle and nothing brand new. New stuff gets ignored.

If this new movie is a hit (and I think it will be), I don't think it will do anything to improve Godzilla's image in Japan.

YOUNG PEOPLE HAVEN'T A FRIGGIN CLUE WHO HE IS!

Last semester in my Japanese III Class, some exchange students from Japan were brought over to practice our conversational. When one of them asked me what kind of Japanese movies I liked, I said "Crime, Dramas, Samurai, and Godzilla movies."

Godzilla? Whats that?

Nuff said.

The Japanese viewing public doesn't give a crap about Godzilla, and I don't ever see Toho doing another movie on their own ever again(as much as I would like).
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Postby buykaiju » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:48 am

Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:I don't think Toho is capable of learning.

YOUNG PEOPLE HAVEN'T A FRIGGIN CLUE WHO HE IS!

Last semester in my Japanese III Class, some exchange students from Japan were brought over to practice our conversational. When one of them asked me what kind of Japanese movies I liked, I said "Crime, Dramas, Samurai, and Godzilla movies."

Godzilla? Whats that?



Did you say "Godzilla" or "Gojira"? If you said Godzilla that's why they had no clue what you were talking about :lol:

My fiance is Japanese, and she says most of the Japanese population (including young people) know who Gojira is. Just like in America, it would be very difficult to find someone who doesn't know who Mickey Mouse is, or Superman, or Batman. Gojira is part of the Japanese culture, whether they like him or not, they know who he is.

And yes I agree, Japanese people can be very stubborn and difficult to change, but not impossible. I hope my fiance isn't reading this post :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:50 am

Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:I don't think Toho is capable of learning.

This is mostly a Japanese thing. Stuck in the same cycle and nothing brand new. New stuff gets ignored.


That's true... both about Toho and about how the Japanese can just be very stubborn.

As much as Toho fans hate to hear it, they really won't learn or even try to learn. Their business model for these films has failed them for DECADES and they just never cared.
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Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:14 am

buykaiju wrote:
Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:I don't think Toho is capable of learning.

YOUNG PEOPLE HAVEN'T A FRIGGIN CLUE WHO HE IS!

Last semester in my Japanese III Class, some exchange students from Japan were brought over to practice our conversational. When one of them asked me what kind of Japanese movies I liked, I said "Crime, Dramas, Samurai, and Godzilla movies."

Godzilla? Whats that?



Did you say "Godzilla" or "Gojira"? If you said Godzilla that's why they had no clue what you were talking about :lol:

My fiance is Japanese, and she says most of the Japanese population (including young people) know who Gojira is. Just like in America, it would be very difficult to find someone who doesn't know who Mickey Mouse is, or Superman, or Batman. Gojira is part of the Japanese culture, whether they like him or not, they know who he is.

And yes I agree, Japanese people can be very stubborn and difficult to change, but not impossible. I hope my fiance isn't reading this post :lol: :lol: :lol:


I did indeed did say ゴジラ.

She was looking at me like lobsters were crawling out of my ears
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Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:18 am

MouthForWar wrote:
Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! wrote:I don't think Toho is capable of learning.

This is mostly a Japanese thing. Stuck in the same cycle and nothing brand new. New stuff gets ignored.


That's true... both about Toho and about how the Japanese can just be very stubborn.

As much as Toho fans hate to hear it, they really won't learn or even try to learn. Their business model for these films has failed them for DECADES and they just never cared.


Their national politics is THE ULTIMATE indicator of the stagnation and apathy, but I'm not even gonna bother getting into that crap.

I'll discuss something a lot easier to show.

Video games, anime, tv shows, music. They are all stuck in the same cycle. Just more of the same damn thing. Something new is tried, is either more successful overseas or is not successful in the homeland.

The creator of the Megaman series went on a rant about how the Japanese gaming industry just does not want to change, and they're mostly stuck with stale JRPGs and other games. He was ostracized by the rest of the Japanese gaming world for his comments and everyone flipped their lid (and wig-g-g-g-g too!)

If Godzilla returns to Japan, and Toho wants to do Godzilla movies on their own, it will be more of the same, and Toho will not have the balls to take risks in new stories, exploring new themes, making new monsters, or using older ones that are not the Big 3 (and I don't mean Gorosaurus, that'd be dumb), and I mean something more akin to Hedorah, Gigan or Anguirus.
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Postby Cookie » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:27 am

As a fan, I would love to see Toho make movie while Legendary pictures is making their own series... BUT, it probably won't happen. I think Toho is pretty much done making any Godzilla films. They're making money on the character by selling the rights overseas in comics, games, toys and of course the LP movie. Financially, it wouldn't make any sense for them to make a new movie for the time being.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:35 am

the mickey mouse comparison is probably the best one...because Mickey is quintessentially an American creation, and he seems like a symbol of America and one of our major corporations...


but when was the last time you saw a Mickey Mouse film? or really cared about him at all? or felt he was particularly relevant?
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Postby Destroysall » Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:23 am

I don't think I want a TOHO film for a LONG time. Just think of Legendary's Godzilla as a TOHO film. :P
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Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:44 am

I'd be AOK with Legendary's movie opening with the TOHO logo though.

I'd mark out actually!
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:00 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:but when was the last time you saw a Mickey Mouse film? or really cared about him at all? or felt he was particularly relevant?


ACTUALLY.

The new series of short films (essentially bringing Mickey back to his roots) are FANTASTIC.
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Postby klen7 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 1:15 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:but when was the last time you saw a Mickey Mouse film? or really cared about him at all? or felt he was particularly relevant?


ACTUALLY.

The new series of short films (essentially bringing Mickey back to his roots) are FANTASTIC.
i saw the one that tactfully and comically addressed character nudity, and was shocked to find out that it was produced by Disney... mostly because it was very well done
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Postby Andrew Nguyen » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:38 pm

Agreed, with the way Toho is right now, they should not make another Godzilla film for a long time.
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Re: New Toho Godzilla Series after Legendary

Postby Russzilla » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:34 pm

I was just thinking about this the other day. Let me say this. I posed a question on another forum asking the opinion if Ultraman is now more popular than Godzilla in Japan. The general consensus was yes. And this is something I didn't think would have been possible say 10-15 years ago. Toho stated that they were going to retire Godzilla for 10 years or so. He's still a cultural icon not only in Japan, but the world over. I do believe that Toho will make another Godzilla movie. Hopefully, when they do, they'll incorporate some new ideas with some old ones. His 60th anniversary is next year. Hopefully Toho is planning something after the LP Godzilla film.

Btw, I haven't posted on this forum for years. It's good to be back.
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Re: New Toho Godzilla Series after Legendary

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:42 pm

I'm all for ultimately seeing some new stuff from Toho...It can be a LONG time for all I really care (75th anniversary?)

but NOT the Jan de Bont thing. Not ever.
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