Monster Zero x SciFi Japan - Archive Only

by **jrichreturns** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:04 pm

Yeah, I mean now the suit is what makes Godzilla well Godzilla. And if you haven't read my posts it's not about realism to them, it's more of a style factor.

by **Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!!** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:39 am

by **zekend01** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:13 pm

^^I appreciate the passion involved in the replies following my post, but it sounds like,to me, u guys don't really follow exactly what I'm getting at.

I'm not assuming that any of you guys are jumping on me, but MouthForWar has generalized my previous post and somehow made the assumption that I'm facilitating HIS OWN attitude that Americans can't deal with unrealistic movies. I think I accounted for both sides of the dicotymy he insinuated by describing at short length my own highly varied tastes. That said I don't really share his black and white view of American tastes, nor would I assume that most other Americans nessesarily do, though I may assume that his lack of grasping the full meaning of my post may suggest a trend on his part to cope with the subtletites of my conjecture by utilizing a 'this vs that' mentallity... basically the same crime he's accusing the rest of this country's movie-going public of.

Dang, this doesn't sound very delicate, does it? :oops:

I have to appreciate his opinions on stop motion, and I appreciate the fine top-of-the-craft Godzy movies that he cited, though the zealousness of his delivery doesn't necessarily lend anymore legitimacy to his opinions... and maybe I'm just trying not ot be rubbed the wrong way. :wink:

Jrichreturns, I'm in accordence with your view on style... I went on about that exact thing in my prior post.

Robo, I don't know where or how or why GINO would have to be included in all this as the END ALL of the 'realism' line of thought.

That's what you seem to be suggesting anyway: 'it failed with G'98, so it will always be as big, if not a bigger, failure'. Uh, WHY? :roll:

That's not a far cry from saying: "It rained the day I went to invest some money in a 401-K, ergo, God doesn't want me to have a very secure financial future." OF COURSE it can be done very VERY well. Tsuburaya wanted that realism, Honda wanted it, Tanaka wanted it. Don't delude yourselves into
thinking otherwise... the interviews are out there, I suggest you read them, guys, before you start to sound like you don't know what your talking about. :wink:

I'll spare all of you by not re-stating everything I already have in the previous post(s). In life, and certainly any Asian way of thinking, growing is a BIG O' part of the cycle. One-sided rants are all too western (i.e., American).

by **kiryugoji04** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:23 pm

by **MouthForWar** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 8:04 pm

by **zekend01** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:36 pm

by **MouthForWar** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 9:50 pm

by **zekend01** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 10:34 pm

by **MouthForWar** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:33 pm

by **jrichreturns** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:16 am

Well yes, agreed. Anyway you are never going to fully see a full cgi Godzilla movie. Unless, someone CGI becomes cheaper than suitmation, but even then, you may not see it. The Japanese are usually fairly traditional. But, you can use the CGI to enhance things ala Gamera 3. Now that I can agree upon, but it just depends on what the director's style is or what the director wnats.

by **zekend01** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:53 am

If they could someday afford it, I think they would go the full-on CGI kaiju route. Their flirting with other 'enhanced' techniques (cybot, some CGI) and sticking with mostly suitmation has less to do with a commitment to style, per-say, and more to do with cash flow and trying to remain relevant to contemporary movie-goer's tastes, IMO. Otherwise, they would have probablly just stayed straight up suitmation. Heck, back when G '84/'85 came out, toho was marketing it as mostly a cybot-based Godzilla movie with a little suit thrown in for long shots!!! :roll:

I would go farther in saying that the Japanese public would embrace a state-of-the-art CGI Godzilla movie and I'm baseing this on how well American special effects movies tend to do over there. If I recall, it was the old-school Godzilla fans in Japan that bashed GINO the most. The passing fans where just kinda, "Whatever". SOOOO... return Godzilla to his roots, make him look right AND act right (radioactive breath, causes destruction and fights military), put a great story underneth it all and do him up with top-of-the-line CG, and VIOLA! :shock:

... you've re-invigorated a much loved genre just like Sergio Leonie did with the western!!!

by **kiryugoji04** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:36 am

by **zekend01** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:22 am

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