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Postby Benjamin Haines » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:41 am

lhb412 wrote:I think after GINO there was this idea of the purity of the Godzilla concept that everyone go hung up on.

Now after Shin Godzilla everyone's just like "oh, Godzilla's a vegetable now. That's cool. When's the movie coming out?"


It's interesting how the fandom's general perception of Godzilla has evolved over time. Seeing new takes on the character committed to film by Toho certainly widens the scope of what Godzilla can be. I think the paradigm shift also has a lot to do with a broader change in the public's perception of film franchise continuity.

When Toho made a conscientious decision to mostly reboot the Godzilla series in 1984, that was unprecedented. To make the 16th Godzilla movie a direct sequel to the 1st which ignored the 2nd through 15th entries was downright weird. It was the kind of thing that required explaining and understanding for Godzilla fans and that established a paradigm. When I became a fan in 1998, I remember how distinctly the Godzilla films were defined. There was the classic series and the current series, the old and the new, and the original film was the foundation of both distinct series that kept them quasi-connected. The notion that Toho would do another mostly-reboot in the future was hardly considered. Before Godzilla 2000 existed, fans would speculate about whether Toho would return to making Godzilla movies, and if so, what would happen to the full-grown Junior?

Plus, at that time there was a lingering air of negativity about the fact that Toho ever needed to mostly reboot the series in the first place. The common refrain was that the Godzilla series started out strong and then devolved into kiddie fare that moviegoers rejected, forcing what was then the only major hiatus in the series history until Toho decided to shed the Showa sequels from the continuity and reconnect their modern output with the original film. The Heisei Series was really popular with American fans in the late '90s and it was seen as a successful course correction. Nobody was thinking that Toho would feel the need to wipe the slate mostly clean yet again. Years after Godzilla vs. Destroyer, fans were still regarding the Heisei films not as a self-contained continuity that was already over but as THE Godzilla series, which had survived over 40 years and endured cinematic ridicule and apparent demise only to emerge as something modern and cool.

The Millennium Series really obliterated that whole paradigm. Toho did indeed make another mostly-reboot, and then another, and another, and another! Then they made a sequel to the previous year's film, only to then finish the series with another mostly-reboot! Suddenly the frequency of new Godzilla movies was no longer linked to Toho's ability to maintain a steady continuity. Then came the second major hiatus in the history of the franchise, and once again it managed to bounce back. Now Godzilla has an ongoing Hollywood film series and an upcoming anime feature trilogy, while the latest live-action entry from Japan was not another mostly-reboot but a full-fledged reboot, finally freeing Toho from the taboo that every Godzilla movie they produce must be a sequel to the 1954 film.

While Godzilla was on his most recent hiatus, Hollywood developed a habit of rebooting iconic characters with new film adaptations that aren't beholden to classic continuity, and the internet has pervaded our culture so deeply that it's easier than ever for people to understand the concept of multiple continuities and keep up with them. I think all of that has made Godzilla fandom (relatively) less reactionary toward new takes on the character. It used to be that the present state of the series was how the fandom defined Godzilla as a character but now the latest individual takes are largely regarded as self-contained by default.
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Re: 'Godzilla-Anime.com' Domain Name Registered Under Toho

Postby eabaker » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:33 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:Before Godzilla 2000 existed, fans would speculate about whether Toho would return to making Godzilla movies, and if so, what would happen to the full-grown Junior?


That's interesting, because my memory as a fan in the mid-to-late-90s is of most people accepting GvsD as the ending of what many of us then called the "Vs. Series," and taking it for granted that when Toho brought the character back, it would be with a new continuity.
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Postby O.Supreme » Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:29 pm

Trying to remember hard to believe its been 20+ years...I recall really enjoying the ending of Destoroyah, as heartbreaking as it was... :wink: (I was fortunate enough to get all these films on bootleg VHS the next summer after their release...throughout the 90's). Of course while there was the Mothra Trilogy and Sony's GODZILLA to "entertain" us from 1996-1998, in my mind I figured that we would be stuck with the Sony franchise for multiple sequels. To be honest, I don't think I actually thought about the future of Godzilla with Toho. When the new movie was announced, I was kind of shocked. I think the first thought in my mind probably was hoping for a continuation from the end of Destoroyah, but I seem to recall pretty early on, it was clearly established that the new Godzilla (what would become Millennium), would be a fresh start. Though admittedly, when I saw it in theaters, I wondered if it was a continuation since there was no origin story...

I am honestly excited for this trilogy of animated films. I still hope someday we get a 30 minute format 50+ episode series, but for now, this will certainly be interesting to see how it continues to develop.
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Re: 'Godzilla-Anime.com' Domain Name Registered Under Toho

Postby lhb412 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:24 pm

eabaker wrote:That's interesting, because my memory as a fan in the mid-to-late-90s is of most people accepting GvsD as the ending of what many of us then called the "Vs. Series," and taking it for granted that when Toho brought the character back, it would be with a new continuity.


I have some vague recollection of confusion during the G2K/Megaguirus times with people wondering whether or not this was continuing from the Heisei series and this new Godzilla was Jr.
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Postby Baltan II » Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:50 pm

lhb412 wrote:
eabaker wrote:That's interesting, because my memory as a fan in the mid-to-late-90s is of most people accepting GvsD as the ending of what many of us then called the "Vs. Series," and taking it for granted that when Toho brought the character back, it would be with a new continuity.


I have some vague recollection of confusion during the G2K/Megaguirus times with people wondering whether or not this was continuing from the Heisei series and this new Godzilla was Jr.


Yeah, this is definitely the aspect of the discussion post-Godzilla 2000 that I recall. Some fans clearly saw the distinction in series and accepted that, while others jumped to thinking that Junior was Mire-Goji. It was also frequently assumed that Megaguirus was a sequel to G2K despite the minor shift in Godzilla's color and the movie's backstory presenting a differing history of events.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:06 am

I'm just going by my memory of reading Godzilla websites in 1998 and 1999. When GINO was new and G2K hadn't been made yet, the speculation I read about Toho potentially making a new Japanese Godzilla movie tended to be framed around Godzilla Junior. 'Will we get to see Godzilla Junior carry on his father's legacy?' or 'Will Toho start fresh with another direct sequel to the first movie and leave Godzilla Junior's tales untold?'

I also remember a lot of Amazon user reviews for Sony's Godzilla 2000 VHS and DVD that had fans declaring it to be the first of Godzilla Junior's adult adventures. That happened even though places like Barry's Temple of Godzilla and Monster Zero News made it clear that Godzilla 2000 was not a continuation of the Heisei Series.
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Re: 'Godzilla-Anime.com' Domain Name Registered Under Toho

Postby lhb412 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:23 pm

Baltan II wrote:Yeah, this is definitely the aspect of the discussion post-Godzilla 2000 that I recall. Some fans clearly saw the distinction in series and accepted that, while others jumped to thinking that Junior was Mire-Goji. It was also frequently assumed that Megaguirus was a sequel to G2K despite the minor shift in Godzilla's color and the movie's backstory presenting a differing history of events.


I guess it was GMK's definitive place outside continuity that really cemented the break in some people's minds.

... but back on topic: we're about two months away from the Japanese theatrical release. Seems to me they're doing a similar campaign to Shin at this point: the statues are touring about and big posters and banners on buildings. Wonder if anime Godzilla will sponsor as many products as Shin did?
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Postby lhb412 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:30 pm

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Well, isn't it kind of cheating to tie your movie into a holiday that happens over two weeks before your movie comes out? I guess it really doesn't matter. Okay, fine: Godzilla rules Halloween!
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Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:44 am

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klen7 wrote:They've done so many crossover promotions in the past few years... Evangelion, Shin Chan, Rugby, Nissan, Honda, Baseball team, Soccer/Football team, the depressed Egg character, Edamame (, Snickers, Fiat)


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Re: 'Godzilla-Anime.com' Domain Name Registered Under Toho

Postby angilas » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:16 pm

lhb412 wrote:
eabaker wrote:That's interesting, because my memory as a fan in the mid-to-late-90s is of most people accepting GvsD as the ending of what many of us then called the "Vs. Series," and taking it for granted that when Toho brought the character back, it would be with a new continuity.


I have some vague recollection of confusion during the G2K/Megaguirus times with people wondering whether or not this was continuing from the Heisei series and this new Godzilla was Jr.


Didn't some early scripts for GFW have that Godzilla as an older Jr? And that was why they stuck with the 100m size? Or am I just misremembering?
Crazy how I can still remember dropping my Big Mac 20+ years ago when I saw on CNN that Tomoyuki Tanaka died but I can't remember recent fact vs fiction with certainty in my head.
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Re: 'Godzilla-Anime.com' Domain Name Registered Under Toho

Postby Benjamin Haines » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:05 pm

angilas wrote:Didn't some early scripts for GFW have that Godzilla as an older Jr? And that was why they stuck with the 100m size? Or am I just misremembering?


That was reported in G-Fan magazine just a few years ago (or so I've read online; I don't subscribe to the magazine).

I'm skeptical because there was not a peep about that back in 2004 when Final Wars was being made, and websites like Monster Zero News and Henshin!Online covered the production thoroughly at the time. That idea certainly isn't something that Ryuhei Kitamura would have considered once he signed on, since he was open about his disdain for the post-Showa Godzilla movies.
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