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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Heiseigodzilla425 » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:16 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:I was 15 when I joined this message board and I’ll be 30 next year. I’ve been reading and posting here on MZ for the previous half of my life so far.

I stopped using Facebook back in 2016. It was useful for keeping in touch with friends when I was in college but it really is where meaningful discussion goes to die. It’s not even structured for lasting discussion, with comments spawning comment threads that go down their own rabbit holes of collapsible comments until the conversation stops and the comment tree just falls down the timeline void. It’s a discussion structure conducive to shouting matches and it outright discourages people from reading or remembering what everyone else is saying.

I did join a few kaiju-related groups on Facebook but I never wanted them to replace MZ for me. I guess it shouldn’t have been but it was surprising to me when so many longtime MZ users gradually abandoned this board in favor of Facebook or other social media sites like Reddit or Tumblr. I think it’s sad but I don’t think it’s a reason to close the book on MZ altogether. It doesn’t matter if the activity around here isn’t as bustling as it was in the past. I’m still here, if you’re reading this then you’re still here too, and this online community is still chugging along as the giant monster genre enjoys its current resurgence. This incarnation of the forums goes back 15 years! It’s an expansive archive of insightful discussion and genuine community built around a shared interest in Godzilla and all things kaiju, a surviving oasis from the days when online communities were specialized and separate from the rest of the goings-on in life. I want to help keep MZ going into the 2020s and beyond any way I can.


I couldn't agree more. I don't post much, but I check this forum nearly on a daily basis, and I've been doing that since I joined in 2004 when I was 13. I'm in a few FB groups, but I don't use Tumblr or keep up with any of the podcasts. Facebook really just doesn't lend itself well to lasting discussions, and searching for old content can be a huge pain. Plus, if someone deletes their account, everything they posted goes with them.

Psycho Soldier wrote:I like this board because the discussions are mature and reasonable to a degree I haven't seen elsewhere in the fandom, so I'd struggle if it were closed.


The maturity of this board is a quality that I don't think can be overstated. In this respect, I'm not aware of other boards that are as mature as this one. The tone, quality, and maturity of Facebook groups can change very quickly with just a few members and a lack of moderation from the owners, which is something that I've seen happen to too many groups.

I sincerely hope that this forum has many more years ahead of it.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby tbeasley » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:33 pm

I'm a relatively new member but I'd be bummed to see the place go, I find the home video section really helpful.

If it does happen however I wonder how difficult it would be for the few of us to create and upkeep a new kaiju/tokusatsu centric forum.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby The Gene Lantern » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:27 am

Board removal is off the table for the moment; you guys have made me re-think that.

Hopefully James is free in the next few weeks to look at this.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby klen7 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:37 am

The Gene Lantern wrote:Board removal is off the table for the moment; you guys have made me re-think that.


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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby lhb412 » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:09 am

^ Most appropriate gif usage!

Great to here it!

And to the many non-registered lurkers (there's always a dozen or so at any given time) howsabout registering?
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Baltan II » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:37 pm

I dunno, I suspect many lurkers aren't here on a regular basis (Google search results or something) or are simply logged-out members. I know every so often I get hit by being forced to sign back in.

Regardless, this thread got scary for a bit before it went back on track! As dying as the conversations get, particularly in my fave toys section, I'm thrilled that the board shutdown talk isn't proceeding further. I truly value this community and the information and discussion it offers, while I'd shudder at being forced to replace it. Won't lie though, the place could use a shot in the arm but if the past few movies aren't doing it I'm not sure what will. Facebook in particular is a horrible replacement and I don't understand the appeal among the toy guys.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Henry88 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:57 pm

i can still remember the old WDF rpg that this place had those where some of happiest day's of my life, it was so much fun.

but it is good that MZ's number is not up yet.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:31 pm

I'm glad that this board will go on. Long live the Club Tokyo / Monster Zero / SciFi Japan forums! :mrgreen:
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:24 pm

Baltan II wrote:Facebook in particular is a horrible replacement and I don't understand the appeal among the toy guys.

A lot of people who have gone to Facebook ultimately don't fare that much differently than here, honestly.

There's what, 10 regularly active posters here these days? People go to Facebook, connect with people who either are on here or were, get a core group of a few people, and just interact with them, and then the additional 'riff raff' is no different than the fringe posters on a message board.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Baltan II » Tue Jul 03, 2018 8:55 am

That's such a boring, insular way of going about communicating with other fans, bleh. I value having close friends that share an interest but I use forums (and Twitter) to reach out beyond that circle to a wider group. It's no wonder that my brief time in the toy group on Facebook was so boring and disjointed, all the better discussion was probably happening among the goons privately while the rest was a bunch of disjointed and uninteresting shouting into a void.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:24 am

It doesn't have to be insular though. You can interact with people in threads and then make 'em a friend and start talking...

...it's less insular than MZ these days.

Sorry guys, I like this place and all but....there's like 8 of us here.

Not advocating for anything, just pointing out facts.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Jul 07, 2018 2:12 pm

^ That kind of private discussion on Facebook is insular by design, though. People join private groups and then segment themselves off within those groups and then most of the conversations are confined to private message inboxes.


Not everyone who visits MZ posts every day or very much at all but that doesn't mean people don't still browse the forums whenever they have the time even if they don't log in. The overall board activity is about the same now as it has been for about a decade. It goes through spikes and lulls and right now it's in a lull. Activity always spikes whenever there's something new to talk about while most of the other board sections have just had a few active topics here and there whenever folks get into them. Ten years ago the activity spiked around the Classic Media DVDs and the Godzilla: Unleashed vidyagame, then a few years later it was the announcement that Legendary got the rights to Godzilla, then four years later it was the release of Legendary's Godzilla and all of the new BRD/DVD releases riding that wave. In between all of that there were varying spikes in activity around new toys and collectibles, the Gamera releases from Shout! Factory and Mill Creek, Godzilla from Criterion, and Destroy All Monsters and Megalon from Media Blasters.


Right now the Godzilla anime movies aren't drawing nearly as much buzz as a new live-action release but we just had a big stretch of spiked activity with the release of Shin Godzilla, the long-awaited DVD/BRD debut of The Return of Godzilla, and the release of Kong: Skull Island. Things are sure to pick up again when Criterion unveils whatever they're cooking up and especially when Legendary's Godzilla: King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs. Kong are finally upon us. Longtime users who may not be posting today will be able to log back in after however many years and discuss the new Godzilla release with everyone else, and anyone can start a new topic or reengage an old one from the board's 15+ years of archived discussion. That's something that an old-fashioned public forum like this one offers that the big social media sites just aren't matching. The biggest difference between the MZ of 10 years ago and the MZ of today is just that a lot of the folks who posted the most on MZ 10 years ago have since taken their kaiju discussion to Facebook, Tumblr, Twitter, Reddit and other sites, but the MZ community is still here for everybody who wants it.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:08 pm

^ Seems to me the Godzilla anime movies have generated more excitement among folks outside your traditional Godzilla fans... which might be a good thing overall.

I'm glad you mentioned the upcoming Criterion release(s) in your post. Honestly, I am just as excited about that as I am new movies!
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:40 am

I guess we'll see...but I don't feel like there's been a REAL flurry of activity since the time around 2014 and Shin...and even that was ultimately WAY less than what there was 15 years ago.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:12 am

Yeah, I don't think anything will ever match the level of activity around here during the end of the Millennium Series in the early 2000s. All of the perpetuated hype around Godzilla's 50th anniversary and the making and release of Final Wars can't ever be replicated. It was a different time. The level of activity did drop off pretty rapidly after that and the MZ of 2008 really wasn't all that different from the MZ of today, save for the fact that some of the users who were most active a decade ago have mostly stopped posting here.

Not that there's anything wrong with users not being as active as others. According to my profile I've averaged just 0.95 posts per day since I joined in 2004!
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:37 am

Back to the original topic for a moment: anyone else feel like the errors are becoming more prevalent? Used to just be here and there for me. Now I'll get multiples in a row, and it's a guarantee to happen nearly any time I do anything.
It's becoming untenable, honestly.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby klen7 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:33 pm

it hasnt been as bad for me today, only seen it once this afternoon
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby Psycho Soldier » Tue Jul 10, 2018 4:58 pm

It was almost unbearable last night, but the frequency of errors has dropped off somewhat since then. The fluctuations can be pretty intense.
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Re: A Few Problems with the site

Postby TerranigmaFreak » Fri Jul 13, 2018 1:28 pm

Yeah, got a lot of internal server errors the past 2 days.
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