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Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby Gojira69 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:30 pm

I have the CM & Criterion BluRay discs. Is there a good argument for me to get the BFI disc too?
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby lhb412 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 7:27 pm

I think it has some unique special features, but nothing's gonna beat the Criterion transfers for Godzilla '54 and King of the Monsters for the time being.
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Postby Gojira69 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:37 pm

Thanks.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Aug 18, 2016 10:01 pm

lhb412 wrote:I think it has some unique special features, but nothing's gonna beat the Criterion transfers for Godzilla '54 and King of the Monsters for the time being.

Probably ever.

But it had the wrong Godzilla on the interior artwork so the fandom threw a fit.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby tbeasley » Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:08 am

jellydonut25 wrote:But it had the wrong Godzilla on the interior artwork so the fandom threw a fit.


To be fair that's quite the grievous oversight on Criterion's part, a company known for quality content and packaging. It's like if they released Ridley Scott's Alien but used artwork of the AVPR design rather than Giger's. I think Godzilla got a pass here because it's such a niche thing, I don't think they bothered to check.

It's the same thing with NECA. Their figures aren't horrible but they're obviously a bit off model to a certain degree. If they released Alien or Predator toys that wonky those fans would be upset too.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby Benjamin Haines » Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:42 pm

Gojira69 wrote:I have the CM & Criterion BluRay discs. Is there a good argument for me to get the BFI disc too?


The most unique feature of the BFI DVD is The Japanese Fishermen, a 1954 documentary about the Lucky Dragon No. 5 incident and aftermath.

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The audio commentary for the movie is also different than the one Steve Ryfle and Ed Godziszewski recorded for Classic Media's DVD. It was actually recorded first and it includes Keith Aiken as one of the commentators.


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jellydonut25 wrote:But it had the wrong Godzilla on the interior artwork so the fandom threw a fit.


To be fair that's quite the grievous oversight on Criterion's part,


I wouldn't call it a grievous oversight but it's definitely a baffling curiosity.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby lhb412 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:41 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:I wouldn't call it a grievous oversight but it's definitely a baffling curiosity.


But the obsessiveness over that one element trumped the enormity of Criterion's incredible restoration work on both films (at least in terms of the fan conversation, and more importantly: the feedback Criterion itself was getting).

I could imagine them getting scared of doing another kaiju release after that, but hopefully sales for that title have been good enough over the years to make them reconsider?
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby tbeasley » Mon Aug 22, 2016 10:54 am

If they are seriously put off from releasing more Toho genre films based on that incident alone I don't know what that says about them. People complain about cover art all the time on the Criterion forums. It's just what people on the internet do, complain.
But you can criticize the packaging and still applaud the content, I couldn't be happier about that. But I would have been fine with a standard clear plastic case. It's just personal preference.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:52 pm

The notion that Criterion won't license any more kaiju titles because of feedback on the pop-up is a myth. We already know that the company never intended to go for any other Godzilla films or Toho sci-fi/monster movies after they released G'54.

Criterion got plenty of positive feedback for their Godzilla DVD/bluray that didn't even mention the pop-up, including from SciFi Japan.

http://entertainment.time.com/2012/01/2 ... ter-movie/
http://www.dvddrive-in.com/reviews/e-h/ ... on5456.htm
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6023/godzilla_54.html
http://www.hollywoodchicago.com/news/17 ... m-the-deep
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/52400
http://www.latimes.com/tn-gnp-0120-dvd- ... story.html

What feedback did Criterion get regarding the pop-up beyond that one Facebook thread? I'd say they must not have gotten enough inquiries about it since they still have yet to answer those inquiries directly. The closest they ever came was a single comment on that Facebook post in which they completely changed the subject to Bill Sienciewicz's cover art, rather than the pop-up photograph of the Kiryugoji suit pictured at the top of the page to which every prior commenter was clearly referring.

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They never actually commented on the decision to use a photo of the 2002 Godzilla suit for the pop-up in their G'54 package.

The pop-up itself is only fifty percent of the intrigue here; the other half is Criterion's reticence on the matter. When a company provides such a topic-dodging answer to such a straightforward observation, they are either misunderstanding the subject of discussion or playing coy and pretending to misunderstand, and frankly neither possibility should be satisfying to anybody. I'm all about transparency. I majored in journalism, not public relations. I'm not about playing along with the hush-hush game when companies are obviously trying to look the other way and avoid acknowledging something, whether that something is a pop-up photo or a popsicle stick. The whole point of such diversion tactics is to get people to stop talking about something. I'm happy to make sure it doesn't work.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Aug 25, 2016 7:44 am

^To me personally, pretty much your entire post is the problem.

Who CARES that much? It's a piece of artwork.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:14 am

^ Hey man, you're the one who brought it up. ;)

To me personally, the whole "let's just keep mum about it" vibe surrounding this is the problem. I am not on board with that in any way, shape, or form on principle.

Several paying consumers, myself included, observed a very bizarre peculiarity in a company's product and the company chose to respond with misdirection and then total silence without ever addressing our inquiries. Diversion tactics like that should not work. The fact that the peculiarity in question is an anachronistic pop-up in a home media package makes no difference to me, nor does the passage of time. I can't fathom why anyone would want to facilitate such diversion ploys.

Of course, I know posting in this thread won't bring about any answers because Criterion isn't perusing this message board, but my curiosity about this has been reignited so I'm just going to write to Criterion now and ask them directly. Don't worry, I'll be sure to start out by lavishing them with praise for their really excellent G'54 DVD/bluray.
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Re: Gojira: Criterion / Classic Media / BFI

Postby lhb412 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:36 am

^ Jake, it's Chinatown.
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