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Postby DannyBeane » Thu Sep 11, 2014 12:14 am

Dr Kain wrote:Yeah, which is why the tanks look really really REALLY fake in the dub of G2K.

They looked fine to me when I watched the bluray today.
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Postby Hybrid Gojira » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:20 am

klen7 wrote:Watching RoM3 for the first time right now


I'm sorry. :mrgreen:

Actually I liked KG's design, but the movie is...not good. I think the first movie is the best out of the trilogy.

As for GMK's subs, is the line supposed to be the F bomb? It's been awhile since I've watched my boot copy (not that boots have the best subs).
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Re: Sony Releasing More Godzilla -- And Mothra -- Blu-rays!

Postby Gman2887 » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:59 am

KaiserGhidorah wrote:Well, I picked up the Godzilla blus today at Hastings. As far as picture quality is concerned, it looks decent but nothing spectacular, the audio sounds great and the extras are basically slim to none. The subs for GMK are hit and miss.......mostly a miss since the track is basically the same dubtitle track as the previous Sony DVD. There are some changes in a few scenes but some of the cheesier lines have been left intact unfortunately. I despise that line 'That lizard picked on the wrong guy.' and it wasn't fixed. Also, when that missle is fired and hits King Ghidorah.....Tachibana is like 'Good.' It's dissappointing Sony took the time to fix only a few of the subtitle lines and not the entire script which is what they should have done in the first place. It's blatantly obvious they just don't care. The subs for GxMG and G2K seem to be on the up and up but my complaint about the GxMG disc is the fact that those idiots put the trailer for GvsMG2 on that disc as opposed to an actual trailer for GxMG. It's obvious being intelligent must not be a requirement to get a job at Sony's home video division. I think of all their double features the only ones they got right was Final Wars and Godzilla 2000. I wish a company that actually cared about the source material would get their hands on these films but I know that's not going to happen for a long long time.


This is a crying shame. Not simply because it was botched, but because it's a second chance completely blown. Niche or not, these films do deserve better treatment. Although I think fans went overboard with the Criterion complaint, stuff like this is justified for hellfire complaints. I just don't think the fanbase is loud enough to get the attention of someone who might do things differently. Sony, by all accounts, should be embarrassed, but I doubt they have enough sense to be concerned about it.
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:00 am

Aside from the subs on a couple movies, I thought all the Sony BDs looked fine...
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Postby Legion » Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:30 am

Gman2887 wrote:Sony, by all accounts, should be embarrassed, but I doubt they have enough sense to be concerned about it.


I just don't think they care. These are niche titles that are going to sell just fine anyway. Sony knows this. I don't think it has anything to do with not having enough sense.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Sep 11, 2014 11:54 am

I'm surprised so many people don't seem to know the drill by now.

We can't even get the new Hollywood film to get a print that looks viewable anywhere but a dark pit where no ambient light can penetrate. What makes people think anyone's going to do anything about catalog titles of foreign films?
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Re: Sony Releasing More Godzilla -- And Mothra -- Blu-rays!

Postby Dr Kain » Thu Sep 11, 2014 1:43 pm

DannyBeane wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:Yeah, which is why the tanks look really really REALLY fake in the dub of G2K.

They looked fine to me when I watched the bluray today.


They've always looked way too green to me, at least, that is how it was when I first saw the movie in theaters. I haven't seen the dub since. It was like someone just decided to blast the color settings of the tanks up way too much compared to the Japanese version.
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Postby Alpha OTS » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:38 pm

Currently watching the bluray of G2K with the commentary, and I just had to post about how happy I am with the transfer on this. Its much better than the dvd and a definite upgrade.

edit: Scratch that. In fact, that's the problem with what I'm seeing at the moment. I'm at the scene where G is coming ashore to combat the tanks and there's these scratch marks going down vertically on the right side of the screen. Is anyone else seeing this?

edit edit: Here's a pic. Forgive the flash.

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That scratch moves, btw, and there's more than one of them, and while it doesn't look like much in the poor camera cap above, its very obvious while watching the film. All these "scratches" are on the right side of the picture and throughout the G vs military scene which is one of my favorite scenes. It seems to be gone after that. Very disappointed by this. :( Going to be looking for it in the Japanese version.

Edit edit edit: Finished watching the movie, and didn't see those scratches anywhere else except during the G vs military scene. Went back to those scenes and played with all my tv settings to make sure it wasn't some smoothing option creating an artifact out of a much smaller defect, but any changes I made only made the scratches more visible. Like I said, they're on the right side of the screen, and extend most of the vertical length. For the record, I'm watching the movie through my PS3.

Watching GMK now. Definitely a solid step up from the dvd although the picture overall is softer than I'd like. It could look a little crisper.
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Postby Dr Kain » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:43 am

Sounds like the exact same transfer as the Toho BD for GMK.
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Postby Alpha OTS » Sat Sep 13, 2014 10:56 am

Dr Kain wrote:Sounds like the exact same transfer as the Toho BD for GMK.


The GMK transfer seems fine until you put in recent Showa blus like Gigan or Megalon which have a crispness of detail that GMK does not. Its still way better than the dvd, just not what it should be.
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Postby RaymondBurr » Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:21 pm

I think it was already reported that Best Buy has the three new BD double feature discs at prices lower than Amazon. Well, the prices were lowered again and the previous Sony discs included too. Some as low as $9.99! I picked up King Ghidorah/Mothra, GMK/Against MG, and Final Wars/SOS at my local Best Buy tonight.

All of the discs can be ordered at Best Buy's website too, free shipping at $35.

Godzilla 2000 10.99
Mothra Trilogy 11.99
GODZILLA AGAINST MECHAGODZILLA / GMK 10.99
Godzilla: Final Wars / Godzilla: Tokyo Sos 9.99
GODZILLA VS KING GHIDORAH / GODZILLA VS MOTHRA 9.99

I hadn't paid much attention to the pre-release info on the Sony discs--very pleasantly surprised that the Japanese track is provided for the Heisei movies! :)

Oh, my local Best Buy also had the Daimajin Trilogy Bluray and Gamera Heisei Trilogy for 9.99.
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Postby william newell » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:01 am

I gotta say, as far as the continuing "inaccurate subs on GMK" issue, the thing I find most frustrating is that the copy of said film which Sony rents out for festivals, conventions, what-have-you, has correct subs(done by Norman Englund, I believe)so I have to ask, how hard is it to check a copy of a film you already have in your catalouge and use it as the source for the subtitles? And for that matter, whatever happened to companies taking pride in the products they release? This isn't isolated to home video, but also seem's to be an emerging issue with a certain couple of companies known for their articulated figures. Personally, I think the tipping point for me may be the impending release of Legendary's Godzilla on Blu-Ray. If it's as dark as people are saying, I'm going to not only return it, but also refuse to buy any other item released if there are ANY QC issues mentioned, regardless of how bad I would like to own said item/film. To be honest though, instead of lagging sales resulting in better quality releases, most companies will probably assume that poor sales are a result no public interest and discontinue any future items. I guess it's a case of "damned if you do and damned if you don't" unless any of you have a better idea...
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Postby Dai » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:20 am

william newell wrote:Personally, I think the tipping point for me may be the impending release of Legendary's Godzilla on Blu-Ray. If it's as dark as people are saying, I'm going to not only return it, but also refuse to buy any other item released if there are ANY QC issues mentioned, regardless of how bad I would like to own said item/film. To be honest though, instead of lagging sales resulting in better quality releases, most companies will probably assume that poor sales are a result no public interest and discontinue any future items. I guess it's a case of "damned if you do and damned if you don't" unless any of you have a better idea...


There's no right answer, unfortunately. I think buying and then returning an item sends the strongest message to the distributor. Unlike people who leave one-star reviews for items that aren't out yet, saying that they have no intention of buying it for XXXXX reason, buying and returning shows that you had the interest to put your money down, but the product simply wasn't good enough. In other words, it's the step that separates the internet complainers from the dissatisfied customers.

Leaving one-star reviews on Amazon is a risky tactic that can go either way depending on the distributor's strategy. For example, the uproar over the messed-up subtitles on the Gamera 3 blu-ray resulted in, not one, but two re-issues. Conversely, the flood of one-star Amazon reviews that preceded the planned release of the second Tom & Jerry Golden Collection ended up poisoning the well. That series was billed as being completely uncensored, but when it was revealed that a couple of controversial cartoons were being left out, it turned into one of the most cringe-inducing internet entitlement-fests I've ever seen. At that point, even if Warner had made the requested changes, all those bad pre-release reviews would have torpedoed its sales. So the release was 'indefinitely postponed', which is industry jargon for cancelled.
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Postby MouthForWar » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:36 am

Exactly, Dai. Then there's the other entitled G Fans who won't buy the LP disc because we didn't get he promised deleted scenes, they want Takarada's cameo put back, a commentary, an extended cut, etc. what those fans fail to realize is that they aren't going to put out another edition of the movie if this one doesn't sell well so they are actually hurting the chances of that happening. They will take the lack of sales as a lack of interest.

And how many times have we bought all these movies? On varying formats, on different editions, etc? You're telling me that the willingness to do that has suddenly changed? Just because there aren't enough features of the picture is a little dark? Please. I've bought most of these movies at least two or three times (VHS to DVD to blu ray, plus bootlegs of various films Japanese cuts before they were available here).

Besides, most of the people complaining about the PQ have only seen tube screenshots. I've been seeing more and more professional reviews of the disc that say the PQ is fine. Screenshots don't always accurately represent a discs quality. I remember seeing screengrabs for the recent Criterion blu ray of Scanners and thinking it looked WAY too dark but when I bought it, it looked just fine (great, even).
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Postby Legion » Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:11 am

MouthForWar wrote:Exactly, Dai. Then there's the other entitled G Fans who won't buy the LP disc because we didn't get he promised deleted scenes, they want Takarada's cameo put back, a commentary, an extended cut, etc. what those fans fail to realize is that they aren't going to put out another edition of the movie if this one doesn't sell well so they are actually hurting the chances of that happening. They will take the lack of sales as a lack of interest.


How about that petition that started recently, demanding a better picture and the inclusion of deleted scenes? It's just ridiculous fandom entitlement. The movie wasn't a huge financial success, and WB doesn't seem eager to lavish much attention to the release. If this first release doesn't sell well, why would they put out a second release or extended version? And as far as that petition is concerned, the amount of Godzilla fans who'd sign that thing are a fraction of the people who'd buy the DVD/blu-ray. Online petitions simply don't work, and Warners isn't going to take any of that seriously.

And how many times have we bought all these movies? On varying formats, on different editions, etc? You're telling me that the willingness to do that has suddenly changed? Just because there aren't enough features of the picture is a little dark? Please. I've bought most of these movies at least two or three times (VHS to DVD to blu ray, plus bootlegs of various films Japanese cuts before they were available here).


Fandom entitlement coupled with the unbelievably scary cheapness of your average modern Godzilla fan. I mean, look at how much of the discussion on these new Sony releases has to do with finding these for the cheapest price. $13, $12, $9...is it that much of a big deal? I mean, two films (three in Mothra's case) with subs and dubs in each set for what feels like pocket change? How could you go wrong even on the higher end of the price range? In the '90s I had no problem spending $15 for a bootleg of one film in raw Japanese, ripped from a laserdisc, with no subtitles and packaged in a white cardboard box. And the company I bought from would force you to spend $30 at the minimum. Look at how much the Japanese releases cost. As far as I'm concerned, $15 would be a STEAL for these, and $12 is ridiculously low. Yet I still see people searching for them cheaper. REALLY???

Besides, most of the people complaining about the PQ have only seen tube screenshots. I've been seeing more and more professional reviews of the disc that say the PQ is fine. Screenshots don't always accurately represent a discs quality. I remember seeing screengrabs for the recent Criterion blu ray of Scanners and thinking it looked WAY too dark but when I bought it, it looked just fine (great, even).


That's what makes that dumbass petition seem even stupider. None of the people signing it even HAVE this release yet. These people are going to feel pretty dumb if the blu-ray/DVD looks just fine...

...but they'd still complain about Takarada's missing scene. You just can't win.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:31 am

In terms of the "cheapness" factor, I think it's not necessarily due to people being CHEAP, but more that people don't want to feel ripped off. I have a running list of blu-rays I wanna get, and I check them regularly. If I see the price on one drop below $10, I buy it, but I generally wait until it's less than $10 because I know these things always happen. There's always some sale, event, promotion, closeout, blowout, clearance, or hullabaloo where things become CHEAP and I can generally wait or look around for that price drop before I drop my money.

There's so much information and so many options out there these days, people just don't want to feel like they could have gotten a better deal elsewhere. Ten, fifteen years ago, you went to the store. If they had it in, you bought it. These days, you can go to Amazon, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Fry's, Deep Discount, company-specific-websites, eBay, craigslist, my butt...there are so many options out there, and the effort to FIND the best price is minimal (especially when you don't do any of the actual searching yourself and just ask someone else to tell you)
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Postby Cookie » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:45 am

Found these at best buy the other day. I thought $36 for 6 movies on blu ray was pretty decent. Now just hoping classic media releases their remaining titles and kraken picking up the remaining Sony showa films.
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Postby Gman2887 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:46 pm

I don't think a dollar over $12 is what these sets are worth honestly. Had more care and attention been given to them via correct subtitles and trailers to the right movie, I might consider otherwise. But these aren't exhibition releases and if Sony doesn't care, I don't care to pay top dollar.

Niche franchise or not I don't care for the treatment of these films and don't feel I have pay much over the cheapest price tag for them. Criterion was another story. I was very happy to pay top dollar for that. Now I don't expect every release to be like that, but it would sure be nice if someone akin to Kraken got hold of them. Or Classic Media if they'd ever release the Bluray-- Which I constantly bug them about.
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Postby KaiserGhidorah » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:14 pm

BTW, just as a heads up......I checked the subtitles more closely for GxMG and it is in fact a dubtitle track so I'd hang on to your Sony DVD which actually has an accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue. I firmly believe the Sony home video dept. deliberately goes the extra mile just to tick off the fans and then snickers as they take our money for their flawed products.
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Postby klen7 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 2:24 pm

Gman2887 wrote:I don't think a dollar over $12 is what these sets are worth honestly. Had more care and attention been given to them via correct subtitles and trailers to the right movie, I might consider otherwise. But these aren't exhibition releases and if Sony doesn't care, I don't care to pay top dollar.

Niche franchise or not I don't care for the treatment of these films and don't feel I have pay much over the cheapest price tag for them. Criterion was another story. I was very happy to pay top dollar for that. Now I don't expect every release to be like that, but it would sure be nice if someone akin to Kraken got hold of them. Or Classic Media if they'd ever release the Bluray-- Which I constantly bug them about.
Didn't Kraken give us barebones releases as well? at twice the cost of the Sony releases when you take into account two films per set?
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Postby Gman2887 » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:09 pm

klen7 wrote:Didn't Kraken give us barebones releases as well? at twice the cost of the Sony releases when you take into account two films per set?


There were trailers included on Kraken's discs. And I didn't have a problem with the subtitles either. It might also be worth mentioning the Kraken titles look a lot nicer too-- Which if I recall, weren't they using Sony's transfers? There's some irony for you.

Granted I don't put Kraken's releases on the same pedestal as Classic Media's, but as of recent I've been happier with their releases.
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Postby Mac » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:13 pm

Fandom entitlement coupled with the unbelievably scary cheapness of your average modern Godzilla fan. I mean, look at how much of the discussion on these new Sony releases has to do with finding these for the cheapest price. $13, $12, $9...is it that much of a big deal?


I wouldn't say it matters in this case, given that we are all die-hard fans of kaiju movies, but usually spending more than $10 on a single DVD/Blu-Ray is pretty insane, given that most have limited replay value, and depreciate quickly. Youtube is full of hoarders who have 1000+ DVD collections that are essentially worthless.
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:31 pm

KaiserGhidorah wrote:BTW, just as a heads up......I checked the subtitles more closely for GxMG and it is in fact a dubtitle track so I'd hang on to your Sony DVD which actually has an accurate translation of the Japanese dialogue. I firmly believe the Sony home video dept. deliberately goes the extra mile just to tick off the fans and then snickers as they take our money for their flawed products.


Wait, I thought the subs were dubtitles before? Are they not? Is that why they say Kiryu instead of MechaG like Tokyo SOS? If so, what do the GsMG subs call him?

That is really really strange. Too late though, I got rid of my DVD the weekend before the BD came out.

I watched the Japanese version of G2000 today and it was so nice to see it subbed for the first time ever after watching it many times over the last 12 years. Also, I don't know why people are hating on the transfer of this movie because it looks vastly superior to the Region 2 DVD. Hell, the black levels do not even need any fixing as they are perfectly fine at my normal setting. The only problems I have with the disc is the lack of a 5.1 track and that the subs say Regenerator G1 every time they said Organizer G1. How the hell can you mess up a word that is blatantly in English???!!!

I have to agree with Kaiser, it seems like Sony is intentionally going out of their way to troll us. Either that, or they are just down right retarded.
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Postby Alpha OTS » Mon Sep 15, 2014 7:52 pm

Anyone else seeing that right-side vertical streak artifact in the U.S. G2000 vs military battle I mentioned above?
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:15 pm

Alpha OTS wrote:Anyone else seeing that right-side vertical streak artifact in the U.S. G2000 vs military battle I mentioned above?


Uh no, because I'm not trying to nitpick a 15 year old movie apart for imperfections.
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