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Re: Godzilla KOTM... from the Criterion Collection!?!?!

Postby Godzilla21 » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:29 pm

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Dr Kain wrote:Home video an't going anywhere.


Considering that the home video sections of stores are getting smaller and smaller, I'd argue that it is. I don't think physical media will vanish completely, at least not any time soon, but it is not as big of a market as it used to be.


Correct. Physical media is in a free fall the last 10 years.

Got my set last week but haven’t had a chance to open it up yet. But I’m very excited to dive in.
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Postby Rody » Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:36 pm

Well, for all the issues this set has, I'm still feeling pretty positive about it right now. I was impatient and ordered my set on Thursday before the B&N sale started, to guarantee getting the set by today, the 65th anniversary (which it did, in fact it came Friday! So it cost me a little more, oh well). I went straight to the eighth disc and watched the Japanese cut of King Kong vs. Godzilla. I'd be lying if I said this wasn't the film I was most excited for in the set.
Make no mistake, the transfer of this film is rough in a lot of places; it's a shame Toho hasn't taken better care of this film until recently. However, I'd only ever seen this version once before, in cruddy quality on a "bootleg" streaming site; so being able to watch this, officially, on my own TV felt pretty special. The fact that MANY other customers are probably getting to see this cut of the film for the very first time is even more exciting. This is a much better film than the USA cut would have you think.

I hope to check out some of the special features tonight and tomorrow. I think this set will ultimately be a win for me, albeit in bronze rather than gold. Hopefully, the success of this set might (MIGHT, MAYBE) give Criterion more sway if they ever want to revisit these films or tackle other Toho effects films, like Rodan and War of the Gargantuas which they already have.
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Re: Godzilla KOTM... from the Criterion Collection!?!?!

Postby H-Man » Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:25 pm

2004: Sony licenses five Showa Godzilla films, releases them with new transfers.
2006: Classic Media begins releasing its 7 films on DVD, using Toho transfers done for DVD circa 2000.
2007: Final Classic Media Godzilla DVD is released.
2008: Toho's Pure HiVision project (lol)
2011: Media Blasters releases DAM on DVD and Blu-ray using HiVision transfer.
2012: " " Godzilla vs. Megalon, using HiVision transfer.
2012: Criterion releases G54 on DVD and Blu-ray using new transfer.
2014: Kraken Releasing releases three of the five 2004 Sony transfers on DVD and Blu-ray.
2019: Criterion releases the 1955-1975 films on Blu-ray using HiVision transfers.

If you ignore the Sony/Kraken transfers, which evidently have been phased out in favor of a "consistent" presentation of the Showa Godzilla films, this collection is the first upgrade these movies have seen since 2006-07. At present, there's no reason to believe we'll be seeing an upgrade over this set for quite some time, but we're on pace for new editions in the 2030s. I don't even wanna watch these transfers in 2019, let alone for the next decade or more.

Try to remember just how far we've come in home video presentations since 2007. Now try to imagine how much will change in the next thirteen years. Imagine how the home video market will be in that same span.

Like 'em or not, there's very little reason to think we'll be seeing anything but the Toho Pure HiVision transfers for a long while.
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Postby Gwangi » Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:28 am

Rody wrote:I hope to check out some of the special features tonight and tomorrow. I think this set will ultimately be a win for me, albeit in bronze rather than gold. Hopefully, the success of this set might (MIGHT, MAYBE) give Criterion more sway if they ever want to revisit these films or tackle other Toho effects films, like Rodan and War of the Gargantuas which they already have.


They did recently feature both of those films on TCM with the Criterion/Janus label, so I have no doubt that they will eventually get a release. Unfortunately, I think it will only be the Japanese version of "Rodan", which sad to say, I find inferior to the U.S. cut, and the international and probably Japanese version of "War of the Gargantuas". I could only watch a few minutes of that dreaded international edition before having to shut it down. If anything, it makes me want to purchase another copy of the Classic Media DVD of R & WotG, just in case my other disk, all of a sudden, falters.
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Postby John Schuermann » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:11 am

canofhumdingers wrote:That’s not a tear, it’s a splice. That’s where they literally cut the pieces of film apart and then taped or glued them back together in the editing room to create the final edit of the film (this is where we get terms like “cutting film”, “final cut”, “cutting room floor”, etc. - it was a physical process and they literally cut the various pieces of film up and put them together in the order needed.)

These have always been there (in fact they’re on every film you’ve ever seen that wasn’t edited digitally, which is most films in history), but you normally don’t see them because they are supposed to matted out by proper framing. It’s very disappointing to hear that criterion of all companies left these in sight. They plagued the previous media blasters BD of Megalon and I was hoping they’d be fixed in this set. Sounds like that probably isn’t the case? :-(

Edit: For people who were lauding the criterion screenshots of having more picture information at the edges over the Sony transfers of certain films; perhaps it’s actually too much information? As we said before, the difference between the two would be well within the normal tolerances of matting the projector. Maybe the Kraken discs are actually more correctly framed if all the criterion discs are showing every editing splice.


Fyi Mothra vs. Godzilla is a splice-fest. They are extremely distracting in this transfer. M vs G also has a very soft picture, not much sharper than DVD.

Looking at Ghidorah now. Picture is considerably better than M vs G, and the splices are less obvious (bit still there). Still soft but at least it looks like HD.

Monster Zero splits the difference - soft and very "splicey," but not quite as bad as G vs Mothra.

The Japanese cut of KK vs Godzilla looks yellow and quite soft, even the "HD" portions pulled from 35 mm. It's embarrassing in terms of PQ. The 4K version floating around is night and day better.

Checked the transfers on my 65" Sony OLED and my JVC DLA-RS3000 projector (projected on an 11' wide 2.35:1 "Scope" screen). As should come as no surprise, the problems are most evident with the projector on the big screen, but even on the 65" OLED the softness is quite obvious. Both displays have been professionally calibrated, fwiw.

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Postby John Schuermann » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:21 am

As an FYI - JVC projectors let you "blank" the top and bottom of the image incrementally, so at least when I watch on the projector I can hide most of the splices. I just adjust this electronic masking until most of the splices disappear. As some have surmised, when the films were scanned the gate was open too far. While this does reveal more picture area, the downside is that we are also seeing things we were not meant to see. Hello, splice marks!!!

Fun fact - the reason why they changed the Scope aspect ratio during the early 1970s from 2.35:1 to 2.39:1 was primarily to hide the splice marks. It was just a change in the projector aperture gate that reduced picture height, thereby hiding the splices.
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Re: Godzilla KOTM... from the Criterion Collection!?!?!

Postby lhb412 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:32 am

^^ I saw in this video that Mothra vs. Godzilla and Invasion of Astro Monster are softer than Ghidorah because with Ghidorah they stopped cutting the original negatives for the Champion Festival
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I can't recall if I'd read that before?

Pretty good video, too. Lays out the bts technical stiff nicely for anyone unfamiliar.
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Postby O.Supreme » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:36 am

Dr Kain wrote:I've never ever seen Criterion advertise themselves as the "best of the best" though. They're not always the best.


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Since 1984, the Criterion Collection has been dedicated to publishing important classic and contemporary films from around the world in editions that offer the highest technical quality and award-winning, original supplements. No matter the medium—from laserdisc to DVD and Blu-ray to streaming—Criterion has maintained its pioneering commitment to presenting each film as its maker would want it seen, in state-of-the-art restorations with special features designed to encourage repeated watching and deepen the viewer’s appreciation of the art of film.


Dr Kain wrote:And these Godzilla releases IS the "best of the best" available right now.


You really need to READ the posts you are responding to, before doing so. I stated clearly, as have others that better materials are out there. I've watched better fan restorations for free online.

Dr Kain wrote:Let me ask you guys something, if this miraculous set had happened in 2012, would you have been happier about it then compared to now?


It would have been worse actually. While we would have gotten comparable releases for the original Godzilla, KK v G, and Megalon, we would not have had the superior Kraken BRD's, or the MB BRD of DAM with the AIP dub.
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Postby H-Man » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:42 am

The problem with Mothra vs. and Astro-Monster is also a problem with Toho's digital transfers of Atragon, which seems to have had its negative cut up for a 1968 re-release alongside DAM ala the first few Champion Festival edits.

As mentioned in the video, Toho seems to have changed that practice in 1971 when they did the Champion version of Ghidrah, but still, it sucks that it affects four of the best sfx movies in the Honda-Tsuburaya repertoire. King Kong vs. Godzilla is the only one that's been competently restored as yet.
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:46 am

Tom R VanSlambrouck wrote:Kain SeaHawk just posted above that there's clearly better prints out there.


Those prints are not available on video, correct? That's is what I'm getting at. They can be better all they want, but it's moot if they can not be legally purchased on Blu-Ray.
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Postby H-Man » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:50 am

Dr Kain wrote:They can be better all they want


Oh, they are. And they'll continue to be enjoyed over what Criterion offered. :D
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:18 am

H-Man wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:They can be better all they want


Oh, they are. And they'll continue to be enjoyed over what Criterion offered. :D


Well that's cool that you have no problem watching bootlegs. I like to watch official releases. Not to mention I don't want to deal with having to have a hard drive for illegal copies of movies.

O.Supreme wrote:You really need to READ the posts you are responding to, before doing so. I stated clearly, as have others that better materials are out there. I've watched better fan restorations for free online.


Key words FAN RESTORATIONS. I don't watch bootlegs when there are official products. I won't touch the Star Wars bootlegged crap, and I won't touch Godzilla bootlegs.

It would have been worse actually. While we would have gotten comparable releases for the original Godzilla, KK v G, and Megalon, we would not have had the superior Kraken BRD's, or the MB BRD of DAM with the AIP dub.


I hardly consider the Kraken BDs to be superior. For one thing, Ebirah is too saturated. Secondly, Gigan is missing the speech bubbles. Not to mention all three movies had English made movie titles instead of the actual Japanese text. I want all of my movies to be consistent.

Also, I couldn't care less about the AIP due to DAM. Not only do I not give a crap about the dubs in general, I have never listened to the AIP dub, as that is not the version Sci-Fi Channel played on the 90s. Thus, I have no nostalgia towards it. The dubs to me will never be considered important enough to make or break a release. If they're on there, cool. If not, then no big loss. Nevertheless, if I decided next week to go and watch my MB BD with the AIP dub track turned on it would be wasted on me. I would just come on here and say what a waste of time it was watching the movie with that track when I could have just watched it in Japanese instead.

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See, this entire scenario is an oxymoron. Stores are shrinking their movie sections because people aren't buying them from stores, but people aren't buying them for stores because the stores are either selling them for higher than online prices or just not carrying the releases people want. For example, Target nor Walmart bothered to carry the new 4K release of The Shining when it came out last month. As such, they lost my business for that movie. Yet, they would consider it my fault for not buying it from them. Best Buy is also the only store around me that physically carries the Ultraman discs. Thus, why would I ever even go to Target or Walmart as my first choice to buy movies when I am going to be under the assumption that I would be wasting my time to go to those places?
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Postby william newell » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:41 am

Not to change the subject, but all this talk about the best Hi Def transfers has me wondering about just how clear I want these movies to be. While Hi Def is definitely great for live action sequences, I find that for effects sequences, it can reveal more of the techniques used than what I imagine the filmmakers wanted. One example I can think of right off the bat is "Valley of Gwangi". Watching this, even on standard DVD, revealed MUCH more of the methods used by Harryhausen than I had ever noticed before. The foreground base that he used to pose Gwangi on is alot more evident, the pre-filmed background footage looks exactly like what it is, and stands out to the degree that it becomes distracting, making the Gwangi puppet look more toylike. As to Godzilla and other Kaiju films, it's no secret that, even on basic DVD, the wires on the tails, aircraft, etc., etc., are clearly visible. I can't help but feel that increased resolution will make them even more apparent and work to really pull one "out of the picture", so to speak. There are other examples of classic effects movies I've seen where this(increased resolution)has taken what were adequate effects and made them barely watchable, you can see just too much,imo. Anyone else share this opinion? Any thoughts?
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:36 am

I understand that argument but I can't say I agree. To me, the artifacts of the films' creation is a feature, not a bug and given the resolution of 35mm, anything a good HD transfer might reveal was probably already visible to audiences when the films first unspooled way back when.
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:23 am

I don't agree either. I mean, I may make fun of bad effects, but rarely have I ever let it detract me from the entertainment of a movie or TV series. If I had, I would have never even bothered to get into the original Doctor Who series as that is full of poor effects work. In fact, I marvel at how much work they put into something just to accomplish what they could rather than worry about the final product. On the subject of Doctor Who, look at the episode Kinda. The last episode to that story has a giant snake and it looks absolutely pathetic. Nevertheless, I found the sequence cool and didn't let the shoddy effects work ruin the scene for me. Of course, I also learned afterwards that they redid the snake in CGI for the Blu-Ray and did an incredible job with that too. Regardless, like I said, I enjoyed the scene with its original effect despite its cheapness that even the production crew seemed to have disdained back then.
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Postby H-Man » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:47 am

Lol, Kain, aren’t you a big proponent of fansubs?

The hypocrisy is unreal.
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Postby lhb412 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:59 pm

Dr Kain wrote:Stores are shrinking their movie sections because people aren't buying them from stores, but people aren't buying them for stores because the stores are either selling them for higher than online prices or just not carrying the releases people want.


It seems like half the discs at Best Buy and FYE are store exclusives to entice collectors these days. It goes to show how the market has changed.

Honestly, the period in the '00s when everyone became a collector was the aberration.
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Postby Joseph Goodman » Mon Nov 04, 2019 3:33 pm

From 2012 to 2108, combined home video sales declined by around %50. In 2019, nearly every week has seen a %20-%30 decline in sales over 2018. Follow the carnage over on Media Play News or The Numbers.
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Re: Godzilla KOTM... from the Criterion Collection!?!?!

Postby Dr Kain » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:20 pm

H-Man wrote:Lol, Kain, aren’t you a big proponent of fansubs?

The hypocrisy is unreal.


That's not the same thing. Hypocrisy my ass! When fansubs are the only option, sure. However, even with fansubs I was still buying Region 2 DVDs to show my support. I deleted my fansubs to every Sentai series that was licensed by Shout! Factory. Same goes for all of the Garo seasons and movies that have been licensed by Kraken.

Also, I didn't download fansubs to any of the Ultra shows that were on Crunchyroll.

All of the Godzilla movies are legally available on BD in the US. There is no excuse to support fansubs anymore.
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Postby canofhumdingers » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:30 pm

First, they’re not fansubs, they are fan made restorations and preservations (restorations restore different versions that are not currently available legally; preservations preserve, or save versions by using original sources such as theatrical prints that at risk of being lost).

That’s some mighty fine moral high ground you stand on that is built on a foundation of sand poured by misguided, greedy, and in many cases outright criminal mega corporations that lobbied congress to do their bidding and pass archaic copyright laws regardless of how it impacts cultural heritage or history. You bemoan and loathe amazon for their bad faith practices, yet you blindly and obstinately insist on obeying (morally corrupt) laws that Disney foisted upon us for their personal benefit?

Should the Louvre in Paris suddenly decide that half the art in their possession is unimportant to their agenda and decide to let it rot and be lost to history, would you not raise your voice in ardent protest? Because that is EXACTLY what Lucasfilm, Disney, and Toho are doing with the films they control.

As to your comment about Star Wars “bootleg crap”, I leave you with this:

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That’s right, a 4K preservation that looks dramatically better than anything ever officially released on home video, including blu-ray. Oh, and it’s the original theatrical cut that’s not currently legally available (and hasn’t been for over a decade) on ANY in-print media format today.

Look, we get it, you support official releases. And it’s the right thing to do. It’s one of the main reasons I do plan on getting the Criterion set. But don’t get all high and mighty over fans who, unsatisfied with the way many companies improperly handle their “rights”, decide to take matters into their own hands and prevent things from being lost to history or offer a better viewing experience than can be had officially. That’s just pompous.

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Perhaps this hits closer to home... Have you ever watched and even, dare I say, enjoyed the 1956 American cut Godzilla: King of the Monsters on either official criterion release? Because if so, you supported fan “bootlegging”. That beautiful restoration would not have been possible if it weren’t for passionate fans breaking the law and collecting those film materials, thus saving them from almost certain loss or destruction by the “proper” rights holder.
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:51 pm

canofhumdingers wrote:First, they’re not fansubs, they are fan made restorations and preservations (restorations restore different versions that are not currently available legally; preservations preserve, or save versions by using original sources such as theatrical prints that at risk of being lost).


And if you like the, cool.

Should the Louvre in Paris suddenly decide that half the art in their possession is unimportant to their agenda and decide to let it rot and be lost to history, would you not raise your voice in ardent protest? Because that is EXACTLY what Lucasfilm, Disney, and Toho are doing with the films they control.


1. I never said I agreed with the decision making. I think it's assnine.
2. What exactly is Disney doing that even remotely sounds like that?

That’s right, a 4K preservation that looks dramatically better than anything ever officially released on home video, including blu-ray. Oh, and it’s the original theatrical cut that’s not currently legally available (and hasn’t been for over a decade) on ANY in-print media format today.


Cool, and if they ever decide to officially release those on Blu-Ray, I will buy and watch them. Until then, I've got the DVDs if I want to watch the original cuts to the OT and I've got the Blu-Rays for the new cuts to the OT.

But don’t get all high and mighty over fans who, unsatisfied with the way many companies improperly handle their “rights”, decide to take matters into their own hands and prevent things from being lost to history or offer a better viewing experience than can be had officially. That’s just pompous.


I don't recall ever getting high and mighty. I've only typed my mindset, that is all.

[quotePerhaps this hits closer to home... Have you ever watched and even, dare I say, enjoyed the 1956 American cut Godzilla: King of the Monsters on either official criterion release? Because if so, you supported fan “bootlegging”. That beautiful restoration would not have been possible if it weren’t for passionate fans breaking the law and collecting those film materials, thus saving them from almost certain loss or destruction by the “proper” rights holder.[/quote]

No I haven't. I haven't watched KotM since 2001. Now granted, I will end up watching it soon because I plan on doing a video on it and 1985 titled "The Steve Martin Files" or something to that extent for my 5th anniversary, but that's really where my interest ends with it. I was never that big of a fan of that movie even as a kid. Then again, 1985 was the first Godzilla movie I ever saw and I wasn't a huge fan of that one either.

Anyway, I watched Son, DAM, and AMA today and I thought the video quality was excellent in all three movies. Son is a weird one because I really have to be in a Godzilla mood to enjoy it, so fortunately this time around I was and liked it. DAM is always really good despite the lackluster final battle. All Monsters Attack, is... well... All Mosnters Attack. It exists. Thankfully, I wasn't too bored while watching it, but I'm glad I have it out of the way now. That kid has the worst parents ever featured in a Godzilla film.

Only five films left, but I'm at the low point of the Showa era, so oh boy. At least I'm only 3 movies away from the MechaG duo.

I do have to say there is one minor annoyance I had with the subtitles to AMA. Criterion pulled a Shout! Factory and only had the lyrics at the beginning of the movie displayed when there were no names subbed during the opening credits. I don't get why they didn't just put the song lyrics at the top of the screen and have the names at the bottom.
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Postby canofhumdingers » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:18 pm

Dr Kain wrote:I don't recall ever getting high and mighty. I've only typed my mindset, that is all.


Well, here:
Dr Kain wrote:I won't touch the Star Wars bootlegged crap, and I won't touch Godzilla bootlegs.


and here, to name a few.
Dr Kain wrote:All of the Godzilla movies are legally available on BD in the US. There is no excuse to support fansubs anymore.


It’s fine and dandy that you’re happy to enjoy only legally kosher copies, but what about preserving our cultural history? Just because you don’t care to watch Godzilla vs. The Thing doesn’t mean that’s it’s not culturally and historically important and worthy of being preserved and made available for people interested on a scholarly or even just a personal level. And no, the ancient, interlaced, 16x9 framed Classic Media dvd does not count as being properly preserved by any remotely decent archival standards.

Perhaps you don’t mean to, but your words come off with this flippant attitude that if it doesn’t matter to you, it shouldn’t matter to anyone and that anyone who pursues less than legal methods is somehow abhorrent or to be shunned and ridiculed. Despite the fact that these same types of “lawbreakers” are directly responsible for saving many important things from being lost forever and have even contributed important “contraband” materials to major restorations and officially licensed releases.

Regarding Disney, they have altered many of their classic animated films with new animation while suppressing the original cuts, some of their official HD transfers are plagued with massive amounts of DNR (like, Predator level bad, but they’re animated so most people don’t seem to notice the complete and utter elimination of all film grain), and they actively and intentionally suppress Song of the South. Not to mention their whole “vault” system that creates a false scarcity of their film library.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:21 pm

Dr Kain wrote:All Monsters Attack, is... well... All Mosnters Attack. It exists. Thankfully, I wasn't too bored while watching it, but I'm glad I have it out of the way now. That kid has the worst parents ever featured in a Godzilla film.


Way to completely miss the point of the movie.
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Postby lhb412 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:02 pm

From what I've seen and read the consensus seems that Ghidorah, DAM, and All Monsters Attack strongest transfers?
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Postby DannyBeane » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:18 pm

lhb412 wrote:From what I've seen and read the consensus seems that Ghidorah, DAM, and All Monsters Attack strongest transfers?


I'd put Terror of MG and Megalon up there as well. ToMG looks every bit as impressive as Ghidrah imo
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