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Postby Thomas » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:32 pm

Simon Pegg said something in an interview about the new Star Wars movies that
put the Star Wars movies into context for me. He was referencing all of Star
Wars when he said "Star Wars is $hit." Ever since I read that I think to myself
"Star Wars is $hit" whenever I start to care about Star Wars too much again.
There's the original three without the tampering and I enjoy those; whatever
Lucas does to them now he still can't take away my enjoyment of the originals,
but all of them and all of it is just $hit. Even the ones I enjoy.
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:20 am

Thomas wrote:Simon Pegg said something in an interview about the new Star Wars movies that
put the Star Wars movies into context for me. He was referencing all of Star
Wars when he said "Star Wars is $hit." Ever since I read that I think to myself
"Star Wars is $hit" whenever I start to care about Star Wars too much again.
There's the original three without the tampering and I enjoy those; whatever
Lucas does to them now he still can't take away my enjoyment of the originals,
but all of them and all of it is just $hit. Even the ones I enjoy.


Not really sure I understand this... so the originals are classics, but they are also sh*t? I mean, granted the prequels and what Lucas has done to the originals is awful, but the original trilogy still holds up.
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Postby Thomas » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:34 pm

I didn't say they were classics. The original three are enjoyed by me, but I can also recognize the faults in the story and presentation of them. Sometimes we blind ourselves to the faults of something we love/enjoy, but those faults are still there.

If that's not a satisfying answer then perhaps Walt Whitman can say it for me

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large I contain multitudes."
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Postby Henry88 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:54 pm

time to put some fun into this thread

http://winterson.com/2009/01/episode-ii ... redux.html

enjoy
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Postby MouthForWar » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:13 pm

Thomas wrote:I didn't say they were classics. The original three are enjoyed by me, but I can also recognize the faults in the story and presentation of them. Sometimes we blind ourselves to the faults of something we love/enjoy, but those faults are still there.

If that's not a satisfying answer then perhaps Walt Whitman can say it for me

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large I contain multitudes."


But they are classics. Their relevance in pop culture and film history is what dictates that.

And yes, the original films do have their flaws, as do all films. But their flaws aren't nearly big or abundant enough to where they should be called "sh*t."
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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:07 am

The Great Gandolfo wrote:time to put some fun into this thread

http://winterson.com/2009/01/episode-ii ... redux.html

enjoy
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Postby MouthForWar » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:25 am

1988 George Lucas sounds like he'd kick 2011 George Lucas' ass.

per http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2011/09/198 ... l-gangster

[quote="George Lucas"]American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history.
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians, and if the laws of the United States continue to condone this behavior, history will surely classify us as a barbaric society.
These current defacements are just the beginning. Today, engineers with their computers can add color to black-and-white movies, change the soundtrack, speed up the pace, and add or subtract material to the philosophical tastes of the copyright holder. [b]Tomorrow, more advanced technology will be able to replace actors with “fresher faces,â€
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Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:39 pm

(Resident Metallica apologist taking up the torch for them yet again)

I wouldn't say Metallica are anywhere near as bad as Lucas. They may have gone through a period of time where that was the case, but present-day Metallica is very much aware and PROUD of the past. Specifically their own past.


Honestly, I think Megadeth might be a more apt comparison (much as I like them, too). The re-releases of the older albums are TRAVESTIES: re-recorded solos, re-sung vocals, remixed tracks...AND it's kinda hard to find the original versions anymore...Mega-Dave pissed all over his past in the name of making it "better" just like Georgie is continuing to do.

At least Metallica never went back and added Marianne Faithful to the interlude of Master of Puppets...
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Postby gila-monster » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:24 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:(Resident Metallica apologist taking up the torch for them yet again)

I wouldn't say Metallica are anywhere near as bad as Lucas. They may have gone through a period of time where that was the case, but present-day Metallica is very much aware and PROUD of the past. Specifically their own past.


Honestly, I think Megadeth might be a more apt comparison (much as I like them, too). The re-releases of the older albums are TRAVESTIES: re-recorded solos, re-sung vocals, remixed tracks...AND it's kinda hard to find the original versions anymore...Mega-Dave pissed all over his past in the name of making it "better" just like Georgie is continuing to do.

At least Metallica never went back and added Marianne Faithful to the interlude of Master of Puppets...

Even though I like classic Megadeth tons more than classic Metallica, I gotta give it to you for that one. Megadave messed up big time on those reissues back in 2004 or whatever. I'm just glad I had the albums before that happened. Good luck finding an original Rust in Peace or Peace Sells now. Well, not so bad on Ebay, actually.

That George Lucas quote is amazing. A total 180 by that guy for sure.
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Postby The Shadow » Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:08 am

Perhaps with that George Lucas quote being circulated around the Internet in light of the forthcoming Blu-Ray release, maybe it will prod Lucas into changing his mind about release the initial versions of ANH, ESB, and ROTJ.

It'd be nice if Lucas has people working on such a release even now, with the idea that the initial versions of ANH, ESB, and ROTJ would get their own release. If wishes were horses and all...
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Postby Alpha OTS » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:30 pm

I just watched Harmy's Despecialized Return of the Jedi.

It's a fantastic experience, just like his SW and ESB. However, you can see it is a garbage-in-garbage-out process. The Max Rebo Band scene is obviously from an upscaled and filtered laserdisc master, but since that's the only digital scene that exists, it's either this or Jedi Rocks, and I prefer this 10000000000x's to the jar-jarring cgi abomination that is Jedi Rocks.

Also, I was able to notice where Harmy really got into detail. Vader's eyebrows have been re-inserted, but again, because the only digital scene where they existed is the upscaled filtered laserdisc masters it's not perfect. The whole scene is hi-def, *except* for the eyebrows, which if you're looking for it look a little blurry. It must have been painstaking to cut and paste just the eyebrows in this scene. The Anakin ghost in the final scene is the same situation. Yoda and Kenobi look hi-def, but Anakin is a little blurry. I'm sure if they tried to do this in 1080p instead of 720p, it'd be even more noticeable. Again, I'm purposefully looking for this, so to the casual viewer, they're probably not going to notice.

These are my Star Wars disks now. I will never watch anything else. Lucas can go to hell.
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Postby canofhumdingers » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:46 pm

Alpha OTS wrote:I just watched Harmy's Despecialized Return of the Jedi.

It's a fantastic experience, just like his SW and ESB. However, you can see it is a garbage-in-garbage-out process. The Max Rebo Band scene is obviously from an upscaled and filtered laserdisc master, but since that's the only digital scene that exists, it's either this or Jedi Rocks, and I prefer this 10000000000x's to the jar-jarring cgi abomination that is Jedi Rocks.

Also, I was able to notice where Harmy really got into detail. Vader's eyebrows have been re-inserted, but again, because the only digital scene where they existed is the upscaled filtered laserdisc masters it's not perfect. The whole scene is hi-def, *except* for the eyebrows, which if you're looking for it look a little blurry. It must have been painstaking to cut and paste just the eyebrows in this scene. The Anakin ghost in the final scene is the same situation. Yoda and Kenobi look hi-def, but Anakin is a little blurry. I'm sure if they tried to do this in 1080p instead of 720p, it'd be even more noticeable. Again, I'm purposefully looking for this, so to the casual viewer, they're probably not going to notice.

These are my Star Wars disks now. I will never watch anything else. Lucas can go to hell.


Just watched this myself, & totally agree. Harmy did an outstanding job, especially considering what he had to work with. And while some things are noticable if you're specifically looking for them, none of them are so jarring as to rip you out of the film watching experience (again, a REAL testament to the work Harmy put in). I still want to see someone (whether it's Lucasfilm, or something more under the radar - wink wink) do an actual new and proper transfer/preservation/restoration from real film elements, but until that happens these will more than satisfy my Star Wars cravings!
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Postby Dr Kain » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:03 pm

blu-ray.com has reviewed the Complete Sagas and stated the audio is amazing in HD and this is how all Sci-Fi movies should sound. The reviewer did state that TPM and AotC has the worst video quality of the 6 movies, with RotS having the best followed by the entire original trilogy being equally amazing. He did say the quality is not reference quality like LotR is, but this is the best the movies will ever look and sound.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:05 am

At least until Lucas kicks off and Criterion can nab the rights to do a PROPER release!
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Postby jellydonut25 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 10:58 am

Dr Kain wrote:blu-ray.com has reviewed the Complete Sagas and stated the audio is amazing in HD and this is how all Sci-Fi movies should sound. The reviewer did state that TPM and AotC has the worst video quality of the 6 movies, with RotS having the best followed by the entire original trilogy being equally amazing. He did say the quality is not reference quality like LotR is, but this is the best the movies will ever look and sound.


OMG LOL WTF PDQ CPA UNGCC FAA JJ Abrams CC Sabathia.

(I had to actually think about what "TPM" stood for...not for too long, but much longer than, say, LOTR)
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Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:36 pm

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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:37 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:At least until Lucas kicks off and Criterion can nab the rights to do a PROPER release!


:lol: That's somehow kind of sad.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:41 pm

I'm not going to wish death upon anyone but as I have already mourned the death of George Lucas the Artist for a few years now, I won't really miss George Lucas the Hack when he shuffles off this mortal coil.

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Postby canofhumdingers » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:34 pm

Dr Kain wrote:but this is the best the movies will ever look and sound.


The original 70mm film prints with Dolby 6 track sound would like a strong word with you....
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Sep 14, 2011 1:39 pm

canofhumdingers wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:but this is the best the movies will ever look and sound.


The original 70mm film prints with Dolby 6 track sound would like a strong word with you....


or with the guy who wrote the review.
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Postby Dr Kain » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:45 pm

canofhumdingers wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:but this is the best the movies will ever look and sound.


The original 70mm film prints with Dolby 6 track sound would like a strong word with you....


Hey, I'm just relaying what the reviewer said. Buy it or not, I do not care, as I will be buying it Friday and that is all that matters.
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Postby lhb412 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 9:54 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:At least until Lucas kicks off and Criterion can nab the rights to do a PROPER release!


:lol: That's somehow kind of sad.



Personally, I don't wish death on anyone... but realistically: I'm in my early 20s and Georgie is 67. I can afford to play the waiting game.




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Postby RyanClark » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:10 am

I got the Complete Saga set this afternoon at our local Target. They seemed to be the cheapest in-store place around here to have it. I got the lithograph set for free with BD purchase (if you're curious what it is, it's basically a set of the art that appears inside the BD packaging).

I'm not a "hardcore" Star Wars fan by any means, but I still wanted this set. The extras I've skimmed through are nice, I watched most of the deleted scenes for the original trilogy, some rather bland, some really interesting.

A note to anone who buys this and may have an older BD player. On my older one, which I don't believe is updatable, it had an issue playing some of the old standard-definition documentaries, the original trilogy ones. It showed them in a box in the upper left hand corner that was about 1/6 of the screen. They played correctly (fullscreen, black bars on the side) on my newer player.

Here's a question for some really big fans. I might have noticed a change, but I'm not sure if it is a change... It just didn't sound right based on memory. In the scene where Vader comes to the Emperor telling him the rebels arrived on Endor and Luke is among them, Palpatine tells him Luke will come to Vader. Vader says "He will come to me?" Except here there is a definite inflection on "to ME?", whereas I swear in the original he says it more as a statement. Am I incorrect? I don't watch these films anywhere near as much as say, Godzilla films, so I can't remember specifically.

Also the whole added "no" thing isn't as horrible as I thought it would be, but I still think it was a needless change.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:45 am

I think it's always been that way...
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Postby Shokara » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:51 am

RyanClark: No, there's been no change in that regard. Vader always said that line like this: "He will come to me?"
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