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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:15 am

I dunno if I'd call trevorrow incapable of staging action. I just re-watched the "ankylosaurus vs I. Rex with hamster ball" and "Blue and T. Rex vs I. Rex" final battle scenes from JW on my iPad last night while sitting in a hotel. Those are some darn fine action sequences (especially the final fight with the raptors and T. rex and everything). Heck, to be honest, I've never understood the complaints against JW. I find it a thoroughly fun time from start to finish. And as the only thing by trevorrow I've ever seen, I don't really understand all the hate he gets either.

But I will agree with you that JW:FK is a fine sequel and I thoroughly enjoyed it as well. And I appreciated the juxtaposition of the big, loud, flashy first half against the smaller, more intimate/personal second half.

To be honest, the only JP sequel I find lacking is JP3. And even it is worth a watch for the dinos.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Henry88 » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:00 pm

$809,016,064
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id ... sequel.htm

i want the next one to be a buddy cop movie between rexy and blue.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:58 pm

Yes! With Chris Pratt as the chief who calls them in to take away their badges!
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby XvGojira » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:05 pm

Henry88 wrote:$809,016,064
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id ... sequel.htm

i want the next one to be a buddy cop movie between rexy and blue.


canofhumdingers wrote:Yes! With Chris Pratt as the chief who calls them in to take away their badges!


I need this. I need this so bad.

But since seeing Fallen Kingdom, I've been wondering why there isn't more dinosaur media. I mean we got zombies, robots, magic, dragons, and super heroes all over TV, so how come we can't get some dinosaur love? It's like other than the JP series dinosaurs are relegated to being only in either young children's shows or cheap AF DTV horror flicks. No middle ground. What'd give to get Dino Riders movie or if someone gave a Land of the Lost series the treatment Netflix gave Lost in Space.

At the same time, Jurassic Park made the dinos so memorable any other version seems like a knock off of their versions. I mean, the Rex roar is so iconic that it's hard to think they could sound different. Every other Rex just sounds so generic (and so do all the dinos in JP series from 3 onward).

Regardless I want more dinosaurs.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Henry88 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 2:03 pm

XvGojira wrote:
Henry88 wrote:$809,016,064
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id ... sequel.htm

i want the next one to be a buddy cop movie between rexy and blue.


canofhumdingers wrote:Yes! With Chris Pratt as the chief who calls them in to take away their badges!


I need this. I need this so bad.


well it is on it's way to 1B so anything is possible.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby lhb412 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 7:20 pm

canofhumdingers wrote:I dunno if I'd call trevorrow incapable of staging action. I just re-watched the "ankylosaurus vs I. Rex with hamster ball" and "Blue and T. Rex vs I. Rex" final battle scenes from JW on my iPad last night while sitting in a hotel. Those are some darn fine action sequences (especially the final fight with the raptors and T. rex and everything).


In the original Jurassic World I was really disappointed by the staging of the action and the dinosaur animation, which I thought gave little impression of the animals' size and weight. This is especially egregious, for me, in the final fight.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Sun Jul 01, 2018 11:38 pm

lhb412 wrote:In the original Jurassic World I was really disappointed by the staging of the action and the dinosaur animation, which I thought gave little impression of the animals' size and weight. This is especially egregious, for me, in the final fight.


Just goes to show how different people can perceive things differently. I just rewatched JW on Bluray last night, and thought the exact opposite...the dino action and physics were awesome, I thought. I felt they did an excellent job portraying those huge creatures in motion.

I'm not trying to say you are "wrong" in thinking otherwise, but it's just interesting how people perceive things so differently sometimes.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:58 am

O.Supreme wrote: Planet of the Apes. Even with a virus wiping out human population by the millions. Human weapons could eliminate a small group of *intelligent* primates easily. But I guess again that the suspension of disbelief you have to have in a sci-fi flick
The final film addresses this, pointing out that all apes on Earth were granted heightened intelligence, not just a small handful.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:31 pm

My JW:FK review:

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BTW, Blood Feud is the best Simpsons episode ever, and we could have watched it like 6 times during the time we spent in the theater watching Billy and the Cloneasaurus 5.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:03 pm

BEST Simpsons episode?? Oh man...I think I gotta go with Cape Feare. But I could make a top...probably 10...maybe 20 that I'd have a hard time really delineating.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:44 pm

I really just default to it because I find it the most quotable. It's the closest I could come to reciting a whole episode from memory.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:51 am

oh man...I apologize up front for making this thread descend into something else. But, it may just be because there are all in a row on the Season 8 DVD but...I find the trilogy of Hurricane Neddy, El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Jomer, and The Springfield Files - to be comedic gold if you ever need a solid hour of laughs to brighten an otherwise gloomy day.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby eabaker » Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:44 pm

O.Supreme wrote:oh man...I apologize up front for making this thread descend into something else. But, it may just be because there are all in a row on the Season 8 DVD but...I find the trilogy of Hurricane Neddy, El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Jomer, and The Springfield Files - to be comedic gold if you ever need a solid hour of laughs to brighten an otherwise gloomy day.


The Simpsons and Jurassic Park: both better in the 90s.

There, we're back on topic.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby XvGojira » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:14 am

Saw it again yesterday, enjoyed it even more.

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Talked to a friend about it and there are some wonky parts (it's JP5, I'm surprised/happy it's not DTV at this point) and we kind of agreed that the kid releasing the dinos kind of doesn't make sense, or rather having the dinosaurs being purposely released by a human. I get why the cloned kid would sympathize with dinos, but as a story it would have been better if the release was accidental or they all smashed through their cages and escaped. Because even though, as an audience we want (or the movie wants us to want) the dinos to live, they will kill many people as the run amok. Although if the dinos got out on their own it would also make the two diversity hires even more useless in the third act, which is fine by me.

Also this is the first movie in the series that makes me really excited at the huge unknown of what the sequel could be. After JP, there was the hook of the can of embryos but Crichton went into a completely different direction with the second book. TLW had a great ending for the series, the dinos were safe and happy AND isolated from humans, so if a sequel were to occur we know where it'd take place. JP3 kind of had the same ending of TLW, both showing pterosaur but 3's could be interpreted that they escaped the island. JW was like the JP ending but with Wu's escape being the can of embryos. Fallen Kingdom, I have NO idea what they're going to do for its sequel. Maybe it'll be the start of Planet of the Dinos with a disease from the dinos that affect humans. Maybe Owen and Blue will drive around the country in a van helping people out like The Incredible Hulk show but where Owen is David Banner and Blue is the Hulk. Or it could be Jurassic World War and every country is fighting with armies of dinosaurs instead of troops.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:13 am

Finally saw this yesterday, or as I like to call it: Jurassic Mansion: Fallen Auction. My main purpose was to make any loose connection I could to the other films which while not mentioned, are not out of the continuity. Lockwood quotes Hammond from TLW "These creatures require our absence", also, the main bad guy does mention "Sorna" in his speech to Claire near the beginning, and while not specifically mentions, it seems Lockwoods sincere attempt to find refuge for the Dino''s seems to be Isla Sorna (though he just calls it a refugee island) He talks about no fences or barriers like Hammond did.

I still would like to know what happened however, as everyone seems to make it clear that Nublar is the only Island with living Dinosaurs, thus the seeming "need" to save them. Sorry I know its all fiction, and while the continuity is not nearly as egregious as some franchises like Transformers, I just don't want it to get there.

Also, at the end, I still take the same position about letting the Dino's loose that I don't think it would be as big a threat as they are making it. The greatest problem I might see would be from the multiplication of Compsognathus and Pterodactyls. Pretty much all the other species were single specimens that could not reproduce. Sure I know Wu and the other baddies have eggs and DNA to make more Dino's, but if in the next film, 3 years have past and its Dino-Apocalypse on Earth I'm out. The few dino's that got out, even the single T-Rex could easily be taken out by military force.

Let's also say, for the sake of argument a larger species like Triceratops had a breeding pair. The only thing I can compare them to on earth now might be Rhino's. Black Rhino's have been endangered for a while now, It's not like in 3 years there wold be hundreds of Triceratops roaming North America, let alone, the world. Also dont even get me started on how ridiculous the idea of a Blood Transfusion between T-Rex and a Velociraptor was, I think I made an audible sigh when that happened.

In the end, it was a serviceable sci-fi movie. With the emphasis on Fiction.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Gwangi » Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:57 am

O.Supreme wrote:Finally saw this yesterday, or as I like to call it: Jurassic Mansion: Fallen Auction. My main purpose was to make any loose connection I could to the other films which while not mentioned, are not out of the continuity. Lockwood quotes Hammond from TLW "These creatures require our absence", also, the main bad guy does mention "Sorna" in his speech to Claire near the beginning, and while not specifically mentions, it seems Lockwoods sincere attempt to find refuge for the Dino''s seems to be Isla Sorna (though he just calls it a refugee island) He talks about no fences or barriers like Hammond did.

I still would like to know what happened however, as everyone seems to make it clear that Nublar is the only Island with living Dinosaurs, thus the seeming "need" to save them. Sorry I know its all fiction, and while the continuity is not nearly as egregious as some franchises like Transformers, I just don't want it to get there.


I was not at all crazy about the concept of a second island "Isla Sorna", where it was said the dinosaurs were bread (when we clearly saw velociraptors being hatched in the first movie on Nublar). However, the fact that the island was virtually ignored is one of this movie's many sins that I simply could not forgive. Also, that character of Lockwood, never mentioned in the book, never mentioned in the movies, is just conveniently and all of a sudden, thrown out there, was something I could also not absorb. It would have been better if we had seen a representative of Lockwood (not Lockwood himself) in "Jurassic World" instead of the character of Masrani, who would have been the responsible financiers of the now operating park. That would have been a much better build-up for Lockwood, and we would finally have gotten his proper introduction in this movie. Hopefully, we won't see this kind of laziness again in the next installment (though, this movie has soured me on this franchise, I will admit, that I am just too curious to see how it all ends).
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:55 am

O.Supreme wrote: With the emphasis on Fiction.

It's pretty much always been that way.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:10 am

Finally saw this...

...and here I had the hubris to think that a movie could not be a dumber, worse sequel less befitting of its name than Pacific Rim Uprising. I was a fool. A foolish fool.

It's one thing to have to check your brain at the door. It's another to have to check your brain on the other side of the planet where the slightest rumbling of anything resembling a human thought can't possibly reach you, lest you immediately notice how the movie doesn't even have an internal logic.

Some human thoughts you might have:
-What about the entire other island of dinosaurs?
-Why is the "character" of Claire even in this movie?
-Can I define ANY of these characters aside from what they look like and/or what their job is?
-Why is the guy who respected the animals and identified more with animals than humans and hated the way the dinosaurs were treated in the first movie suddenly being fine with them all dying in the second movie?
-Who scored this movie? A brachiosaurus farting into a tuba?
-Why couldn't the evil mercenary group get their own IT guy instead of the worthless dude?
-Wouldn't a sedative powerful enough to knock out a dinosaur actually KILL a human?
-That's not how guns work.
-That's not how volcanoes work.
-That's not how trucks work.
-That's not how finances work.
-That's not how DNA works.
-That's not how blood transfusions work.
-That's not how being shot works.
-He built an elaborate lab-prison in COMPLETE SECRET?
-Wait...why keep them alive? You killed your boss/friend/whatever (the relationship is hardly established) but two random people who you say "As far as anyone else knows, they died on the island," you let live because...? Because....?
-Why would you buy a dinosaur to kill someone if you need a gun to make the dinosaur work? Why not just use a gun?
-Even $10 million for a dinosaur seems pretty cheap. The investment on the Indo Raptor had to have been in the hundreds of millions range. Selling for $30 million kinda sucks.
-Did the dinosaur just cry?
-Did the dinosaur just wink at the camera?
-That's not how elevators work.
-That's not how computer graphics for poisonous gas leaks work.
-Remember the kitchen scene?
-Remember the Unix system?
-Remember when Lex couldn't close the door to the hide-y hole in the kitchen scene?

The effects are better.
That's a nice thing I can say about the movie.
It might be the ONLY nice thing.

I recently rewatched Uprising and while it takes a little while to get there, at a certain point, it becomes so charmingly dim-witted and ridiculously over the top that you can't help but have fun.
This just never hits that point. It just is dumb, stays dumb, gets kinda boring frankly, and then ends.

Throw another franchise onto the trash heap.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:47 am

jellydonut25 wrote:-Wouldn't a sedative powerful enough to knock out a dinosaur actually KILL a human?
-That's not how guns work.
-That's not how volcanoes work.
-That's not how trucks work.
-That's not how finances work.
-That's not how DNA works.
-That's not how blood transfusions work.
-That's not how being shot works.
-That's not how elevators work.
-That's not how computer graphics... ...work.


Said every action movie ever...

Look, I get it, it’s not a particularly great movie. But many of your complaints are things that practically all movies (ESPECIALLY action movies) take HUGE liberties with ALL THE TIME. I mean, how do you even enjoy movies anymore if these things ruin them for you?

I’ve only seen the film once, so I don’t really remember some of the details mentioned, but I do remember having a fun time at the cinema watching an action packed dinosaur movie with an awesome volcano, tons of great looking dinosaurs, lots of thrilling action and a general sense of good natured fun! It’s like a modern Valley of Gwangi or One Million Year’s B.C.. Those movies aren’t particularly great or even remotely realistic either. But they are fun spectacles with awesome effects and wonderful dinosaurs and fun, if ridiculous, stories (ok, well, Gwangi is fun. It’s been a long time since I saw OMYBC...)

Anyway, I don’t blame you for not liking it. To each their own. But I do think you’re perhaps being a bit over critical just to make your point.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:19 am

The more a movie ignores its own sense of an internal logic, the more the details it gets wrong bother me.

Also, there's a difference between taking liberties with something, and having gunfire UNDERWATER.
You can take liberties with a volcano (yeah, some of that is nitpicky on my part...except for when lava splashes onto a dinosaur's head and it just brushes it off like it touched a hot stove instead of melting through its skull and eating away its face), but to say, "Just get some carnivore blood...it's all the same" would be like proposing getting monkey blood for a human transfusion. It's all the primates, it's all the same, right? That's not how it works. Not even a LITTLE bit. 28 Days Later actually changed one of its original plot points specifically for that exact reason.
You can take liberties with computer graphics, sure, but you're selling DINOSAURS for $4 million? I could finance that. That's not even recouping the costs to get/make those dinosaurs.

The characters were beyond thinly sketched (and literally EVERY character that returns, including the damned velociraptor is a complete 180 from the first film with NO explanation given WHATSOEVER), and I found myself constantly thinking of Red Letter Media's reviews of the Star Wars prequels: could I describe any character beyond physical appearance and/or job? Am I invested in the action at all due to characters and emotion or is it just pretty looking action? Is anything happening unto itself or is the movie just trying to play off my memories of other, better movies in order to trick me?


I also found the movie frankly tedious and had difficulty staying with it in the final act. It felt really underwhelming there, in all likelihood because of my assumption that the island blowing up was originally the whole story but they thought people would be pissed about another island movie that was basically just the same exact story as The Lost World but this time WITH EXPLODING ISLAND so they tacked on some more stuff and hacked the original thing to bits and cut out all the actual character beats and left us with this half-baked pile of oozing garbage that is a disgrace even to a series that has become just a mindless dinosaur romp.

Won't be buying it, and not on board for any further Jurassic-tastic movies.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Thu Sep 06, 2018 1:40 pm

That’s fair. I’m certainly not trying to convince you to enjoy the movie. I just thought some of your complaints were kinda hilarious. I see this move kinda like JP3. It’s really pretty terrible and doesn’t make any sense if you use even the slightest amount of logic. But I still have enjoy watching it because movies don’t have to be “good” to be fun (just ask MST3K!!)

As for the finale, I actually appreciated how they had the big show stopping spectacle early and then had the finale focus in on a more personal narrative.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Gwangi » Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:12 pm

Just curious now with that "Halloween" movie on everyone's radar, if the execs at Universal would eventually do the same for the "Jurassic" series, if let's assume, the third installment falls flat? For the 30th or 35th anniversary, they could eliminate the events in the JW features (no Owen, no Claire and Isla Nublar is still there), and pick up events where the original left off (that would also mean cutting "The Lost World" and "JP3").

I am sort of two minds on that. A) I really do not need any more "Jurassic" features, and B) It would, however, be nice to wipe the lesser features out of this timeline. If this "Halloween" feature becomes a golden egg, it is be a good bet other studio execs might be thinking of doing the same to some of their franchises.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:02 pm

Lots of franchises have already kinda gone that route.
Creed/Rocky
Jurassic World/Jurassic Park
The Force Awakens
Jumanji
Blader Runner
Predator (the new one is like the second time it might be going that route, but Predators has a bit of a requel feel to it)
The Thing

This isn't really a new thing.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Gwangi » Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:34 pm

But from what I understand, this new "Halloween" is going to completely eliminate everything that happened in the sequels and the timeline picks up where the original left off, only 40 years later. Similar to what Toho did with "The Return of Godzilla / Godzilla 1985". Jelly, some of the movies you mentioned, more or less, still maintained that history (Rocky/Creed is a good example).

I don't know if I want to see that in "Jurassic". As I stated before, I really do not need any more movies from this franchise, but picking up where the original left off, and completely eliminating all of the sequels in the timeline, I am sure is something that might flow through some of the heads at Universal, if say the third movie in this story arc (the adventures of Owen & Claire) completely falls flat.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:23 am

That's been done though.

Superman Returns ignores 3 and 4, Highlander 3 ignores 2, Texas Chainsaw Massacre is basically an entire series of ignoring the previous film, and Terminator Genisys ignores 3, 4, and all sense of quality filmmaking.

Even the Halloween franchise has already done that.
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