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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:05 am

I've been ok with them for the most part. Although listening to some fans and critics. I can understand how they feel. As time goes one, it seems the original film is becoming more the aberration. An actually well crafted an meaningful film featuring Dinosaurs. As opposed to all the sequels which are just mindless action and violence. I mean if Spielberg himself could not make a decent sequel, who can?? --One critic said he felt like Charlie Brown with the football. He goes for it every time, only to have to be pulled away at the last minute. :lol: . I don't let all the excitement and fun get sucked out of me by these sequels, but I can sympathize with those that want a better film, for sure.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby XvGojira » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:19 pm

Nothing will ever be as good as the first and, for me, JP3 was a huge drop off in quality. So I went into JW with the mindset of "I'll be happy as long as this is as equally entertaining as JP3" and it surpassed JP3 in the that regard. And I'm going in to Fallen Kingdom with a similar mind set that this is a Part 5 and chances are that it'll be more of a Halloween 5 than a Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

On top of all that, I'm desperate for any non-DTV quality dino action. So if the Jurassic Park series morphs into adaption of Topps' Dinosaurs Attack! trading cards, I'm fine with that. Until we get competing dinosaur movies series I'm going to take what little I can get.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:34 pm

XvGojira wrote:On top of all that, I'm desperate for any non-DTV quality dino action. So if the Jurassic Park series morphs into adaption of Topps' Dinosaurs Attack! trading cards, I'm fine with that. Until we get competing dinosaur movies series I'm going to take what little I can get.


I feel the same for the most part. It's not Asylum bad (thank goodness), but as you pointed out, Part 5's seem to be the *new* part 3's (Last years Pirates and Transformers were both 5's, and basically killed those franchises)
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Apr 21, 2018 1:54 pm

klen7 wrote:Ok, this new trailer is not my cup of tea. I was pretty excited with the previous trailers but this looks like a completely different movie and one with some unintentionally laughable scenes


I haven't watched the newest trailer (I thought the second one was spoilery enough) but everything I'm seeing about this movie is rubbing me the wrong way. I like the core 'save the dinos' concept but I hate how they're not even trying to make the dinosaurs act like real animals anymore. It looks like everything that happens is calculated for maximum spectacle regardless of any internal logic. Why would dinosaurs fleeing an erupting volcano take the time to snap at Claire in the gyrosphere? Why would a Carnotaurus stop running for its life to make a snack out of Owen? Why would a T. rex stop to kill a Carnotaurus and then stand there and roar for no reason while there's a freaking volcano erupting behind her? The answer is purely for spectacle, and we're supposed to not think about it and just be dazzled. It doesn't give me hope that the rest of the movie will be any better.


O.Supreme wrote:I've been ok with them for the most part. Although listening to some fans and critics. I can understand how they feel. As time goes one, it seems the original film is becoming more the aberration. An actually well crafted an meaningful film featuring Dinosaurs. As opposed to all the sequels which are just mindless action and violence. I mean if Spielberg himself could not make a decent sequel, who can?? --One critic said he felt like Charlie Brown with the football. He goes for it every time, only to have to be pulled away at the last minute. :lol: . I don't let all the excitement and fun get sucked out of me by these sequels, but I can sympathize with those that want a better film, for sure.


I can't really sympathize with anyone who pines for a better JP sequel but doesn't see the merit in The Lost World: Jurassic Park. We've had a rock-solid JP sequel for over 20 years now and most folks seem to just write it off.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:13 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote: We've had a rock-solid JP sequel for over 20 years now and most folks seem to just write it off.


Hmm. I can’t imagine why.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Jinzo Ningen » Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:42 pm

canofhumdingers wrote:
Benjamin Haines wrote: We've had a rock-solid JP sequel for over 20 years now and most folks seem to just write it off.


Hmm. I can’t imagine why.


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Spielberg's follow-up was in so many ways every bit as insipid and eye-rolling as everything else we've gotten since. Sooo much wrong with Lost World. At least JW just said 'screw it, we're going our own way' and gave us a brainless spookhouse ride. In all honesty, the original was not THAT great of a movie... but it was just such a ground-breaker that I think a LOT of people give it a "pass" when in fact it has more than its share of poopy. No more than the next three, but it's hardly untouchable. :wink:
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:13 am

For what it’s worth, I actually really like The Lost World (and Jurassic World too). But none of the sequels come close to the brilliance of the first film. And yes, even the first film has its issues. But it still stands on a clearly higher tier in terms of quality (writing, plot, direction, etc.) than any of the sequels. Which is just fine. I mean, it kinda mirrors the Godzilla franchise in a way.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:42 am

Yes. Mirror dat Godzilla franchise. Throw all pretenses to the wind and let's get BONKERS.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:59 am

jellydonut25 wrote:Yes. Mirror dat Godzilla franchise. Throw all pretenses to the wind and let's get BONKERS.

Heck yeah. I mean, we’re already well on our way with the T. Rex/Indominous fight (with Raptor assist tag team).
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:42 pm

canofhumdingers wrote:
Benjamin Haines wrote: We've had a rock-solid JP sequel for over 20 years now and most folks seem to just write it off.


Hmm. I can’t imagine why.


Of course, the gymnastics scene. A two-hour movie reduced to one particular goofy moment. As a kaiju fan that kind of stuff really doesn't bother me.

I actually think the way the little green Compies are utilized is the most over-the-top part of the movie. They would have been smothered when they swarmed Dieter Stark and he was rolling around on the ground but instead they all survive and eventually eat him. They're the most straight-up movie monsters of all the dinosaurs in the movie.


canofhumdingers wrote:For what it’s worth, I actually really like The Lost World (and Jurassic World too). But none of the sequels come close to the brilliance of the first film.


The Lost World certainly isn’t as good of a film as the first but it’s got a lot more substance to it than either Jurassic Park III or Jurassic World along with better acting, more organic dialogue and a more epic scope. It adapts the source novel as loosely as the first film did, forging its own stakes without rehashing its predecessor. It has a tight, rhythmic pace with sharp direction and a one-of-a-kind John Williams score. It’s ambitious and it works.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby DannyBeane » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:28 am

My reviews of this film is as follows... MEDIOCRE! Seriously though the more I think about it the more I think it's only just barely better than JP3.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:07 am

DannyBeane wrote:My reviews of this film is as follows... MEDIOCRE! Seriously though the more I think about it the more I think it's only just barely better than JP3.

Friend of mine said the same thing about JP3, adding "It might be a worse movie than JP3, even, but I guess I like it slightly more."
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Gojira07 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:38 am

It was completely ok, to me the least interesting part of JW was the whole "weaponizing" subplot, so that being the focus of the film was kind of a let down. The last 5 minutes was way more the film I was interested in seeing, and honestly what I thought it was going to be about. So maybe JW3 will be good? Idk
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Henry88 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:06 pm

‘Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom’ Charges Toward $133 Million Opening Weekend
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:59 pm

My wife and I had a great time watching this tonight. It's definitely not a "good" movie on a critical level, but it was fun and delivered on the crazy spectacle and fun Dino action. I mean, Chris Pratt survives being swallowed by a pyroclastic flow unscathed... its over-the-top ridiculous and you just need to check your logic and analytic circuits at the door and just go along for the ride.

Our viewing was also spiced up by the intensely stereotypical, overly-vocal old southern black lady sitting next to us. She was kinda annoying us at first as she talked TO the movie almost incessantly, but it quickly became hilarious and even made the experience more enjoyable. I mean, her drawling out, "Oh NOOO!!!!" "Oh Lawd!" "Mm-mmm, don't go in there!" Etc. during the intense and exciting scenes was pretty darn amusing. At one point she even said (I am NOT making this up!), "you go Blue! He's yo mastah!!" Seriously, this lady was a walking, talking stereotype. But her enthusiastic enjoyment of the movie was contagious. And her unintentional comedy helped lighten the mood a bit for my wife, who is rather terrified of all things that can eat you and genuinely finds these movies quite scary.

But even without the running commentary beside us I would've found the movie quite enjoyable. It's dumb fun, but it IS fun. I mean, it's volcanoes and dinosaurs in an epic big budget spectacle. This is the stuff of my childhood dreams!
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby XvGojira » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:38 pm

This feels so different from any of the other films. The stuff on the island was fantastic. Then when it got onto the mainland it got different. Not bad but just a different tone than the other 4. It wasn't big and bombastic but it was a fun watch and that's all I ask for in Jurassic Park 5. Now I'm just waiting for the sequel where they go into space or the hood.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Gwangi » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:17 pm

I hated the trailers, and did not much care for the concept, however, I was hearing that it was "dumb fun", so I decided to check it out. In my book, "The Lost World" was the least favorite in the series. Unfortunately, "Fallen Kingdom" now takes that title.

I really enjoyed the first half of the movie and the island scenes. The second half became bogged down and rather predictable. Of course, I was of mind that we only needed one movie, from a great book. However, money talked and thus, we have this series. I could understand the concept of "Jurassic World" with a now functioning island, before things going array. But with this movie, it was an instant where the well is quickly running dry. Yes, there will probably be a third film to mercifully conclude this trilogy.

Using Leonard Maltin's rating system, I am giving this ** out of **** stars. It was dumb, but not very fun.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby tbeasley » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:05 pm

I liked it a lot, found it considerably better than the previous film so the mixed to negative reviews are more than puzzling. Shame to think Trevorrow's coming back for the next one after being kicked off of Star Wars. Bayona brought a great sense of style (the opening alone looks better than anything in JW), some genuinely touching moments, and an overall odd combination of quirkiness and eeriness to the movie I really dug. I think that last part is what's throwing people off.

I also found the overall themes and message a lot clearer and positive than JW's, which was always sort of muddled and ugly. The dinosaurs here are much more naturalistic (as much as JP dinos can be) and sympathetic, people are the bad guys here more than ever which I liked. I also got the vibe that it's not so much 'don't play god' anymore but 'don't play god poorly.' Things go wrong not because of cloned dinosaurs but because of bad people, and we get to see a lot of bad people get killed by dinosaurs which is very satisfying.

Ted Levine was also another big highlight.
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The little girl didn't bother me so much, I liked that her story was mostly separated from the main heroes until the end. The clone aspect didn't seem that off to me either, I figure if they can clone dinos people aren't that much of a stretch. I just hope it doesn't become a main feature of any future films (they said they're getting rid of the dino hybrids so...).

The Indoraptor is a lot cooler than the Indominus, and I'd say overall the film portrays the dinos a lot better than JW.


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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby GFan » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:39 pm

I found FALLEN KINGDOM to be pretty bad overall. It was entertaining enough to sit through one viewing, but easily the worst installment of the franchise IMO.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Henry88 » Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:26 pm

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'Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom' takes in an impressive $150 million at the box office — 2nd best opening all-time for Universal
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:35 am

Haven't seen the film yet. In fact. This probably has been my worst year to date, haven't seen any of the big films since IW. However I do have questions. Initially I thought Jurassic World was a direct sequel to JP (basically retconning so that the events of TLK & JP III never happened), however, nothing in JW really contradicted TLW or JPIII. So, not having seen Fallen Kingdom. I know Ian Malcolm *basically* bookends this movie, and that's about it, but....

If all the movies are set in the same world, and if Isla Nublar is being destroyed by its volcano, why not just move all the Dinosaurs to Site B? (Isla Sorna). Additionally, at the end of JP III we saw some Pterosaurs get loose, so technically wouldn't there have been potential for "Dinosaurs set loose in the world" already? Just some thoughts I had, but if someone who has seen the film, or can confirm if TLK and JP III are part of this, it would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:36 pm

Well, it's kinda loose with the continuity I guess (kinda like Showa Godzilla). But nothing directly contradicts the previous movies that I recall.

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The "plan" is to transport the dinos to a new location that has natural barriers so the animals can be free without fences, cages, or human interference; but also not escape. However, that's a double cross and in reality the dinos are trafficked to Northern California to be auctioned off to the powerful and wealthy. Of course things go awry and they get out. So now they're truly loose on mainland USA. Raptors, T Rex, triceratops, all of them. Much more than just a few pterosaurs flitting about the coastline of Central America, which is really all we saw at the end of JP3. And while that stinger is not directly addressed in the JW films, it's easy to assume they either just haven't been a big menace or they were subsequently recaptured.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:03 pm

^ Thanks for the explanation. Also I've found this:

http://www.dinosaurprotectiongroup.com/reports.html

while it doesn't exactly come out and indicate what the current state is of the animals (if any left) on Isla Sorna, this bit of viral marketing definitely does take into account TLW & JPIII. Also I read somewhere else that supposedly the freed pterosaurs from JP III made it all the way to Canada ?? (lol) before being shot and killed by Vic Hoskins (Vincent D'Onofio's character from JW)...which is how he got the job as head of security at the new park.

Still I'm sure seeing the movie will have a better explanation but...
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Just a boat loaf of Dinosuars, and apparently some of them being the only members of their species (One T Rex if I'm reading things correctly, and Blue being the only raptor left). I don't see how this could be a big threat. The US Military could kill them all easily before they got out of control, even if there was enough of a particular species to breed. Of course It's the same problem I have with Planet of the Apes. Even with a virus wiping out human population by the millions. Human weapons could eliminate a small group of *intelligent* primates easily. But I guess again that the suspension of disbelief you have to have in a sci-fi flick
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby lhb412 » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:44 am

I think this may be my favorite JP sequel. It had the guts to just be an all-out monster movie with loveable monsters. The finale seems more inspired by Roger Corman and Hammer Studios then anything.

The biggest plus is that this film has a better director. Bayona is actually a capable, stylish filmmaker, where Trevorrow was engineered in a lab to be a director utterly incapable of creating suspense or staging action.
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