Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:23 pm

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canofhumdingers wrote:Also, a first order officer in the beginning of the film actually tells Hux that Poe is trolling him. Like, he actually uses the word “trolling”. Ripped me right out of the movie. These are military officers, not high school kids.


The word he uses is "tooling."


I only saw it twice, and only once in English, but I thought he said "I believe he's toying with you, sir." Or something like that. But, I definitely heard "toying", not "trolling", and certainly not "tooling." I could be wrong, of course.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby eabaker » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:47 pm

Moonlight SY-3 wrote:
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canofhumdingers wrote:Also, a first order officer in the beginning of the film actually tells Hux that Poe is trolling him. Like, he actually uses the word “trolling”. Ripped me right out of the movie. These are military officers, not high school kids.


The word he uses is "tooling."


I only saw it twice, and only once in English, but I thought he said "I believe he's toying with you, sir." Or something like that. But, I definitely heard "toying", not "trolling", and certainly not "tooling." I could be wrong, of course.


I'm going based on what I heard in two viewings, and the way I saw the line quoted on various websites.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Gman2887 » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:51 pm

I've sat through this thing three times. It's "tooling".
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby lhb412 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:30 am

So... the older Brit First Order captain was Vyvyan from The Young Ones, right?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:25 pm

This tooling discussion makes me want to rip my eyes out of my head.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby canofhumdingers » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:39 pm

Why? Is it because you didn’t like it in the movie or because you think we’re being too nitpicky?

I actually don’t think it’s the worst humor in the film; but it’s one of the more memorable bits and is easy to point to as an example where the humor went sour for me.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby lhb412 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:14 pm

I'm beginning to think none of y'all have even seen The Young Ones!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:16 pm

lhb412 wrote:I'm beginning to think none of y'all have even seen The Young Ones!


Is "tooling with someone" a British phrase Vyvyan used in The Young Ones? I watched that show quite a bit on MTV a million years ago, but I do not remember that phrase at all. My unfamiliarity with that phrase in general probably caused me to hear it as "toying with you", not "tooling with you".

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby lhb412 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:47 am

Moonlight SY-3 wrote:Is "tooling with someone" a British phrase Vyvyan used in The Young Ones?


Well, no. I just thought that guy being Vyvyan was way more interesting than the 'tooling' discussion.

- and Michaela Coel popped up for a second as a First Order officer! It's an organization entirely staffed by British comedians.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:18 am

lhb412 wrote:
Moonlight SY-3 wrote:Is "tooling with someone" a British phrase Vyvyan used in The Young Ones?


Well, no. I just thought that guy being Vyvyan was way more interesting than the 'tooling' discussion.


Okie-dokie. The way you kept pushing the Young Ones thing, I thought it may have had a direct connection.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:05 am

I'm pretty sure the line in question was "I saw it, it's a lion, it's huge, it's toiling with you."




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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby mr.negativity » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:36 am

Screen Rant:
China Drops 92% of The Last Jedi Screenings After Disappointing Opening
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby O.Supreme » Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:40 pm

SW has never been big in China. The OT was never even released theatrically until a few years ago. A lack of performance in China, while it would be a bad sign for most films profit, obviously isn't effecting TLJ. It's already surpassed RO global box-office, and sitting at 1.23 B. Estimates show it topping out at somewhere between 1.3 and 1.4. a 30% drop off from episode VII, and average for a sequel. If we extrapolate on that, then episode XIX worst-case scenario would be around 900M. I don't think that's anything to worry about. Anything beyond that however...is anybody's guess. keep in mind this in no way has anything to do with my personal opinion of the film, just stating that China's lack of support isn't going to hurt this franchise in any way, which is rare in todays global cinematic economy.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:09 am

canofhumdingers wrote:Why? Is it because you didn’t like it in the movie or because you think we’re being too nitpicky?

Both feels like the appropriate response here.
It’s the worst moment of humor in any Star Wars film. Including Jar Jar Binks. Also, who cares if he said trolling or toying or tooling or tolling or awful waffling? Does the word itself matter? They put Crank Yankees into a Star Wars movie just so we can have Tony Stark in every damn everything.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:26 am

jellydonut25 wrote:
It’s the worst moment of humor in any Star Wars film.


I disagree with statement emphatically.

I thought they handled the joke with tact: it plays with our everyday interactions with current technologies, but in itself doesn't explicitly reference anything from our world too specifically. I could see how it could go sideways, but they played it off well.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby klen7 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 9:37 am

^ didn't you say the same thing about Jar Jar stepping in "poo-doo"?
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby lhb412 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:31 am

^What are your thoughts on Minya playing jump rope with Godzilla's tail?

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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby klen7 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:39 am

It's on my bucket list!
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby canofhumdingers » Sat Jan 13, 2018 10:53 am

lhb412 wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:
It’s the worst moment of humor in any Star Wars film.


I disagree with statement emphatically.

I thought they handled the joke with tact: it plays with our everyday interactions with current technologies, but in itself doesn't explicitly reference anything from our world too specifically. I could see how it could go sideways, but they played it off well.


I completely disagree. I thought it was entirely tactless, was clearly a modern “our world” “oh look it’s like he’s on a cell phone” “dude, where’s my car drive-thru” joke, and it has pulled me right out of the movie each time. They didn’t play it well at all.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby eabaker » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:43 pm

lhb412 wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:
It’s the worst moment of humor in any Star Wars film.


I disagree with statement emphatically.

I thought they handled the joke with tact: it plays with our everyday interactions with current technologies, but in itself doesn't explicitly reference anything from our world too specifically. I could see how it could go sideways, but they played it off well.


I also felt that it was totally consistent with the character of Poe as established in TFA.

It's certainly no Luke Skywalker asking what a duck is...
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Gwangi » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:10 pm

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No, no, just no. Rey is from nobodies, leave it at that. That is what makes her character even stronger. She isn't some pampored brat who was left on a desert planet to be protected, she is just a nobody. Changing that would be the biggest copout ever.


While I thought that TLJ had its multitude of sins. I liked that aspect of Rey's parents. I thought it would have felt contrived if she was somehow related to Obi-Wan or Palpatine. However, I would not put it past the filmmakers of the next movie, if they want to "course correct", and say that Kylo only said that to Rey to further aggravate her in hopes of turning her to the dark side.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Gman2887 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:23 pm

Gwangi wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:


No, no, just no. Rey is from nobodies, leave it at that. That is what makes her character even stronger. She isn't some pampored brat who was left on a desert planet to be protected, she is just a nobody. Changing that would be the biggest copout ever.


While I thought that TLJ had its multitude of sins. I liked that aspect of Rey's parents. I thought it would have felt contrived if she was somehow related to Obi-Wan or Palpatine. However, I would not put it past the filmmakers of the next movie, if they want to "course correct", and say that Kylo only said that to Rey to further aggravate her in hopes of turning her to the dark side.


I don't necessarily think, and never have thought, that Rey's parents have to have been someone special, but why does she keep having vague flashbacks to them? Why does she see a ship leaving her if they're, "dead in a Jakku gutter"? Why was there so much build-up? There's a unique opportunity here to perhaps reveal a "surprise" around the circumstance of her parents, rather than who they were--And utilize what The Force Awakens built up for them.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby Henry88 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:28 am

after seeing it last week i can say....
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby eabaker » Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:30 pm

Gman2887 wrote:why does she keep having vague flashbacks to them?


Because regardless of their significance or lack thereof to the universe as a whole, they represent (or represented) something important to her personally.

Why does she see a ship leaving her if they're, "dead in a Jakku gutter"?


They could have left her behind by ship, regardless of whether or not they were leaving the planet, or leaving the planet permanently. Or she could be running together assorted childhood memories in a big jumble.

Why was there so much build-up?


I don't really feel like there was that much build up in the movies themselves, except, again, with regard to their importance to her as a character.
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Re: Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi 12/15/17

Postby lhb412 » Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:43 pm

eabaker wrote:
Gman2887 wrote:why does she keep having vague flashbacks to them?


Because regardless of their significance or lack thereof to the universe as a whole, they represent (or represented) something important to her personally.


That was my assumption as well.
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