Terminator: Genesis

[Rodanex]

I hope someone goes back in time and stops Hollywood from making the last three Terminator films.

[mr.negativity]

[XvGojira]

According to IMDB's trivia, Paramount has greenlit 2 sequels to this film before it even opened, because regardless of how well or poor it does at the Box Office, all film rights to the Terminator franchise are set to revert back to James Cameron in the year 2019.

Not sure if that info has been posted before or not but we may be in for some quick crap Terminator movies. Maybe.

[Dr Kain]

Jesus, people are just crapping all over this movie for the sake of it.

Dd these people actually watch the movie? It is better than Jurassic World... oh wait... they crapped all over that movie to, nevermind.

Seriously, if you don't go into it expecting Terminator 2 2.0, and just want a nice entertaining action movie with awesome Arnold dialog, you are going to be quite entertained. If you are looking for The Shawshank Redemption Terminator Edition, you are asking for way too much.

[jellydonut25]

[Dr Kain]

[XvGojira]

[Rodanex]

Personally, I just don't see any way they could make a Terminator sequel that I would like. The first two films are perfect, they should have just left the series alone.

[jellydonut25]

I'll have to see Genisys before I can comment on whether it's the same thing as Jurassic World, but my inkling is that I strongly disagree.

People said JW lacked in character development, but that the cast was capable and people like Chris Pratt just made everything seem a little more palpable because he's such a likable guy. Jai Courtney is awful, and I've not heard anything particularly good about the rest of the Genisys cast.

And again, I haven't seen Genisys, but I'd probably argue (even without having seen it) that JW's goals are a lot less lofty than those of Genisys. JW wanted to give us dinosaurs again, and it did. It also wanted to kinda steamroll the whole "Jurassic Park's dinosaurs AREN'T scientifically accurate" crowd, and it did that too. Genisys is trying to re-introduce, re-write, re-use, and re-invigorate an entire story. It'd be like if Jurassic World took place immediately after Jurassic Park and was about how Site B got the way it did...or if it was a prequel to Jurassic Park...or if it was both of those movies at the same time. Genisys is trying to Days of Future Past its franchise, and the number one concern everyone had for DOFP was that it would get too complicated, too convoluted, and not be smart enough to step around all the booby-traps of attempting to be a prequel, sequel, and reboot all at once...and the number one piece of praise was that it managed to do all those things without screwing it up. Genisys is trying to do the same thing, and that's a high mark to shoot for. If you fall short, it's a lot more egregious than having some shaky CGI in your movie about killer mutant dinosaur monsters.

[Dr Kain]

Jai Courtney is only one person of the cast though. Arnold and JK Simmons are pure gold with every scene they are in. The guy that plays John is great too. That is 3/5s of the cast that are great. JK Simmons also has one of the best lines in the entire movie, I do think Emilia Clark was a complete miscast, but she does have great chemistry with Arnold, and that is what matters most.

Both movies sequel bait too. I think both are entertaining movies, but I would put Genisys over World. However, the only way either of htem would end up being in my Top 10 list of the year is if everything else that comes out for the remainder of the year sucks.

[Hybrid Gojira]

I haven't seen this yet, but everything in the trailer felt like old hat...and wow the CGI is beyond awful. It's hard to top the first two films, but I'll into this film with really low expectations and see what happens (very similar to what happened with Jurassic World, which for my money has been the most fun I've had at a movie this year). If it comes remotely close to JW, I'd be thrilled...but my expectations say otherwise.

[Dr Kain]

I went in with really low expectations too, which could be why I enjoyed it so much. It could also be because tickets were free.

[XvGojira]

[Jorzilla]

I enjoyed this movie a lot more than Jurassic World, but it feels like fan fiction more than an actual movie.

[DannyBeane]

[mr.negativity]

[tbeasley]

[mr.negativity]

[MekaGojira3k]

I actually didn't mind this. Liked it better than the last two. T2 is still the best of these, though.

[jellydonut25]

Wow. I'm having a hard time recalling another movie in recent memory that started with a solid 15 minutes that had me totally on its side and then descended into complete and utter garbage and became an unconscionable failure on every possible level.

I don't even know where to START...Jai Courtney SUCKS as Kyle Reese. EVERYTHING about this character is wrong here. Everything. Emilia Clark is definitely mis-cast as Sarah, though quite probably one of the least egregiously terrible things about the film. The whole Arnold obsession with this franchise needs to stop...I mean, the whole franchise should stop, but if they keep going just keep him away, please. The "smiling" gag was awful.

Let's back up though...I guess, I dunno, like I said, I have no idea where to even START to wrap my head around this pile of excrement. The "smiling" thing though leads me into a fairly sizable complaint: pretty much everything flies in the face of everything that's been pre-established. The "smiling" gag is a minor symptom of that. It's already been established that the Arnold model terminator (seriously, can someone tell me if this is a T101 or a T800? Why is there still confusion about this?) can mimic human emotions...in only a matter of days...when taught by Eddie Furlong. "Pops" (UGH) has been with Sarah for 20(?) years. He still can't smile right? The bigger complaint I have with this, and this goes from not only a point of anger about continuity, but also general internal logic and overall drama, is that all the machines just straight-up DIE when Skynet's central core is destroyed? I always thought it'd be more like they lose their communications and ability to strategize on a global scale, but still have their standing orders and are still very deadly, just EXTREMELY disorganized and MUCH easier to ultimately defeat. Nope. They all just shut down...but wait...then how in the name of holy blue bumbles can any of the machines function in the past? There's no Skynet in 1984 (or 19XX when Pops first rescues Sarah), how can he function? Shouldn't he, according to the rules the movie establishes, get to that point in time and instantly just turn off because there's not Skynet central core?

Then there's the (spoiled by previews, because it's always a great idea to have a trailer give away the huge twist of a movie...like when all the trailers for Empire Strikes Back prominently featured the "I am your father" line, remember that? No? Oh right...) problem of the T-1-Connor. Unbelievably ill-defined, and yet at the same time overpowered, and yet at the same time stupid weak and yet at the same time over-explained. We have to labor through the actual "creation" of this thing, which anybody who sees the machine grab him and then what he turns into could have surmised, and yet we know nothing about it. What can it actually do? Don't worry about that, we'll just make it up as we go along. "Hey, in this scene, we need it to be able to grow a huge claw-hand to punch through a guy's chest." 'Do it. Nobody will care.' What is the PLAN here? It shows up, and claims to be willing to kill Reese and Sarah, so why doesn't it just do it right from the get-go? What's the plan here? "Hey, I'll let you live if you agree to let Skynet kill billions of people." ? I don't...WHAT?!?! Also, this thing is so overpowered (No bullets or punching can stop it or slow it down) that we have to constantly invent excuses for there to be lots of magnets or electricity so it can be forced to stand still while our human characters slowly back away in fear. It crushes the pacing. And yet, it's also weak as hell...

Also, it recombinates DNA into fluctuating capacitation of decoupled hemosplondifing? And "This timeline stuff isn't so hard"?



I also can't be the only person who noticed, and hysterically laughed at, the T1000 in the beginning wanting to go faster and thus smashing his foot through the gas pedal and through the floor of the car in order to make it go faster. Prreeeeetttty sure cars don't work that way.
Speaking of not working that way, helicopters. NOPE. Nope nope nope.

JK Simmons is utterly wasted here, not to mention a nonsensical character. An alcoholic crackpot who's convinced that time traveling robots have been around for the past 30 years? Why would that person still be on the force?

This movie actually shoots for the moon, "Let's do a sequel, a prequel, a reboot, and a remake all at the same time. Let's fan-wank people with tons of nostalgia bombs and direct rips of lines and moments, and at the same time introduce a bunch of new stuff to the mythology. Let's give people everything they expect in a new way." Unfortunately, it fails MISERABLY...or spectacularly, I kind of haven't decided yet.

It's either just a complete pile of garbage that is overly convoluted, occasionally poorly paced, mostly terribly acted, horribly scripted, and not anywhere NEAR as clever as it thinks it is....or it's all of those things in a damned entertainingly stupid way. I just can't decide which, though I lean towards just flat-out terrible because I did find myself pretty bored and like I would have walked out of a real-money theater and demanded a refund or passes to another movie had I paid full-price to see this monstrosity, and also because this movie doesn't even REMOTELY stand on its own two feet. It's SO dependent on the previous films, in terms of establishing its characters (which this movie doesn't bother to do), its pre-existing story (which the movie also doesn't bother to do), and the aforementioned fan-wankery (which it actually DOES bother to do in some shots to such an extent that a new viewer would almost HAVE to lean over to the person they're watching with and go, "Is that FROM something else?")


Is some of this overly harsh? Probably...but this movie can't even hold-up under MINOR scrutiny or maintain its own internal logic consistently. It's also SO over-the-top in its action as to be boring (when school buses are dangling off the side of bridges by their...I-don't-know-what-was-holding-it-ons then I just check out because it's more than one step too far; it's like 10 steps too far.

[XvGojira]

From my understanding on how Terminator models are categorized Arnold is a T-800 (I think a T-888 in T3 but whatever). The model number, 101, what appearance he has with flesh. So 101 is Arnold. A 107 could look like Steven Colbert. A 273 could be Chris Pratt. But under the flesh they are all T-800s.

[Dr Kain]

I thought the magnet scene was ingenious and well done. Not to mention it looked cool.

I agree about Reese's actor though. Oh, and Clark being miscast.

JK Simmons was the best character in the movie and every line he spoke was awesome. "God damn time traveling robots covering their tracks!"

It has massive amounts of issues, but I don't see why this movie should not be allowed to slide by when it is no different than Jurassic World. Both movies are identical in their poor CGI, bad characters, great one liners, and trying to do something new with the franchise. Yet JW is "THE #1 MOVIE IN THE WORLD!!" (until Star Wars) while Genisys was "An overproduced, baffling movie that falls flat."

[mr.negativity]

[mr.negativity]

[mr.negativity]

Ellison spoke briefly about the "bright future" of the 'Terminator' franchise.