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Postby 234fanatical » Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:11 pm

why'd betty stop the Hulk from killing the abomination? just let him finish the creature off
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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:09 pm

234fanatical wrote:why'd betty stop the Hulk from killing the abomination? just let him finish the creature off


Because he was still a person in the end, maybe? Either way, I disagree. I HATE when the villains get killed off in superhero movies. That's one of my biggest pet peeves with these movies like the Spider-Man movies or the old Batman movies, they think they have to kill the villains. That's not how it should be, it ruins their chances of coming back and its not how it has ever worked in the comics. Besides, remember Hulk is still a superhero and most superheros don't kill.
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Postby Danno » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:42 pm

I thought it was okay. Could of slowed down a bit. Editing was all over the place.
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Postby xmegalonx » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:58 pm

Danno wrote:I thought it was okay. Could of slowed down a bit. Editing was all over the place.


yeah, you'll have that when you chop out around 70 mins of footage to make the studio heads/producers happy.
My wife and i really enjoyed it and can't wait until that Bluray director's cut comes out, and hopefully, they'll also do the right thing and make Norton happy by also giving him his screenwriting credit either instead of, or along with Zak Penn when the BR comes out.
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Postby Destroyer D » Thu Jun 19, 2008 8:59 am

Really liked this movie. Only a couple of edits that was glaring to me.
CGI was pretty good and I thought the acting was very good. The
fight between Hulk and Abomination was savage!! Loved it. Looking forward to Cap,Thor,Ironman 2 but wonder if the Avengers movie
will have Giant-Man and the Wasp in it as well? Hope so!
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Postby ryuuseipro » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:01 pm

I finally saw The Incredible Hulk yesterday!

Long story short, I LOVED it! Superior to the first film in every way. This film fit the character more than the first film ever did. No artsy-fartsy crap to be found here! The film is fast-paced, the story and characters are well-concieved, the music totally fit the mood of the film, and the action is, as the title put it, incredible. The Hulk truly as a destructive Godzilla flair to him! He looks much meaner here! (Edward Norton was so much better for the role than Eric Bana, IMHO.) The Abomination was awesome as well! There's also some more tongue-in-cheek humor and some fun Hulk-related references. And the cameos (by Stan Lee, Lou Ferrigno, and veteran Canadian voice actor Paul Soles, the voice of Bruce Banner in the 60s cartoon) totally ROCK!!!

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Postby MouthForWar » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:29 pm

You know, as curious as I am to see the directors cut of the Incredible Hulk, I liked the theatrical version a whole lot as it was.
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Postby xmegalonx » Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:37 pm

ryuuseipro wrote:I finally saw The Incredible Hulk yesterday!

Long story short, I LOVED it! Superior to the first film in every way. This film fit the character more than the first film ever did. No artsy-fartsy crap to be found here! The film is fast-paced, the story and characters are well-concieved, the music totally fit the mood of the film, and the action is, as the title put it, incredible. The Hulk truly as a destructive Godzilla flair to him! He looks much meaner here! (Edward Norton was so much better for the role than Eric Bana, IMHO.) The Abomination was awesome as well! There's also some more tongue-in-cheek humor and some fun Hulk-related references. And the cameos (by Stan Lee, Lou Ferrigno, and veteran Canadian voice actor Paul Soles, the voice of Bruce Banner in the 60s cartoon) totally ROCK!!!

If you haven't seen this movie, please do so! This is the Hulk movie we should've gotten in the first place!


not to mention Lou Ferrigno voiced the Hulk as well in this :D
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Postby Shin_Edda_Robo!!!!! » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:00 pm

MouthForWar wrote:
234fanatical wrote:why'd betty stop the Hulk from killing the abomination? just let him finish the creature off


Because he was still a person in the end, maybe? Either way, I disagree. I HATE when the villains get killed off in superhero movies. That's one of my biggest pet peeves with these movies like the Spider-Man movies or the old Batman movies, they think they have to kill the villains. That's not how it should be, it ruins their chances of coming back and its not how it has ever worked in the comics. Besides, remember Hulk is still a superhero and most superheros don't kill.


It all depends on what defines Super Hero. Japanese Super Heroes like Space Detective Shaider or the infinity of Toei's Sentai Teams KILL the monster of the week. They KILL the lead head villan. A lot of the Super Robot shows form the 70s and 80s KILL their last enemy.
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Postby MouthForWar » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:18 pm

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MouthForWar wrote:
234fanatical wrote:why'd betty stop the Hulk from killing the abomination? just let him finish the creature off


Because he was still a person in the end, maybe? Either way, I disagree. I HATE when the villains get killed off in superhero movies. That's one of my biggest pet peeves with these movies like the Spider-Man movies or the old Batman movies, they think they have to kill the villains. That's not how it should be, it ruins their chances of coming back and its not how it has ever worked in the comics. Besides, remember Hulk is still a superhero and most superheros don't kill.


It all depends on what defines Super Hero. Japanese Super Heroes like Space Detective Shaider or the infinity of Toei's Sentai Teams KILL the monster of the week. They KILL the lead head villan. A lot of the Super Robot shows form the 70s and 80s KILL their last enemy.


That's almost a completely different genre though. The classic American superheroes are something different, IMO.
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Postby Xenorama » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:49 am

movies don't work like comic books. one can easily kill a major villain in a movie, since Spider-man and Batman and the Hulk and Superman all have great rogues galleries. who cares if we don't see Doc Ock again in a movie? i'd rather see the Lizard or Kraven instead of a repeat villain. maybe, after 10 or so movies, possibly a villain could be repeated. for these oh so realistic movies, killing the villain makes sense far more than letting him live.

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Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:19 am

*SPOILER WARNING* (for both The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man)

It all just depends on the situation, really. With the Abomination, I thought having Hulk spare his life did a great job of reflecting his character's humanity, and it worked for the story because Abomination really didn't need to die in order for the film to have resolution. On the other hand, Iron Monger was such a potential threat in and of himself that the smartest and most immediately necessary thing for Iron Man and Pepper to do was kill him. They had no readily available means of removing Stane from the suit, so it was either he died or he was let loose on the world with that superweapon. In each case, the villains' fates were consistent with what the story called for.
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Postby MouthForWar » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:35 am

Benjamin Haines wrote:*SPOILER WARNING* (for both The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man)

It all just depends on the situation, really. With the Abomination, I thought having Hulk spare his life did a great job of reflecting his character's humanity, and it worked for the story because Abomination really didn't need to die in order for the film to have resolution. On the other hand, Iron Monger was such a potential threat in and of himself that the smartest and most immediately necessary thing for Iron Man and Pepper to do was kill him. They had no readily available means of removing Stane from the suit, so it was either he died or he was let loose on the world with that superweapon. In each case, the villains' fates were consistent with what the story called for.


This is a great observation Ben. I agree 100%.

As far as it making more sense to kill the villains in the "realistic" superhero movies (whatever the heck that means), it doesn't. Either way it goes against what these heroes stand for (especially characters like Spidey and Batman). Seriously unless you are the Punisher or something, these heroes just don't kill, plain and simple.

Could you imagine a Superman movie where he killed Luthor? No. It was just as idiotic when Batman killed damn near everybody (including random goons) in the old Batman series. Batman, Superman and Spider-Man especially shouldn't kill in these movies (Batman's "I don't have to save you thing" with Ras in BB bordered on this, but I think they left it open enough.)

Killing Doc Ock was dumb because now we won't get a Sinister Six movie. Killing Venom was dumb because he was in the movie for like 3 seconds. It looks like the Hulk movies are gonna follow Abomination, Dr Samson, and the Leader with the sequels. And as Ben pointed out, him sparing Abomination was a great way to show the character's humanity and that he's not a killer.
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Postby ryuuseipro » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:32 pm

MouthForWar wrote:As far as it making more sense to kill the villains in the "realistic" superhero movies (whatever the heck that means), it doesn't. Either way it goes against what these heroes stand for (especially characters like Spidey and Batman). Seriously unless you are the Punisher or something, these heroes just don't kill, plain and simple.

Could you imagine a Superman movie where he killed Luthor? No. It was just as idiotic when Batman killed damn near everybody (including random goons) in the old Batman series. Batman, Superman and Spider-Man especially shouldn't kill in these movies (Batman's "I don't have to save you thing" with Ras in BB bordered on this, but I think they left it open enough.)


That's because these characters are bound by the Comics Code, which forbade these characters from killing, among a great many things. It was the Comics Code that shaped these characters' principles, even in the Direct Market (most of the time; At least once, John Byrne had Superman kill a villain in one of the comics he did).

That's definitely why we had Punisher, Wolverine, Spawn, Hellboy, and many other "rebellious" heroes breaking the mold of the Comics Code. Some of these characters are from independent companies that eluded the Comics Code.
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Postby MouthForWar » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:57 pm

ryuuseipro wrote:
MouthForWar wrote:As far as it making more sense to kill the villains in the "realistic" superhero movies (whatever the heck that means), it doesn't. Either way it goes against what these heroes stand for (especially characters like Spidey and Batman). Seriously unless you are the Punisher or something, these heroes just don't kill, plain and simple.

Could you imagine a Superman movie where he killed Luthor? No. It was just as idiotic when Batman killed damn near everybody (including random goons) in the old Batman series. Batman, Superman and Spider-Man especially shouldn't kill in these movies (Batman's "I don't have to save you thing" with Ras in BB bordered on this, but I think they left it open enough.)


That's because these characters are bound by the Comics Code, which forbade these characters from killing, among a great many things. It was the Comics Code that shaped these characters' principles, even in the Direct Market (most of the time; At least once, John Byrne had Superman kill a villain in one of the comics he did).

That's definitely why we had Punisher, Wolverine, Spawn, Hellboy, and many other "rebellious" heroes breaking the mold of the Comics Code. Some of these characters are from independent companies that eluded the Comics Code.


But comics code or not, the actual super villains would never be killed in their first appearances. And they shouldn't be killed in the movies because its restraining the series from sequel possibilities. The Joker was going to play a vital part in the third Batman movie, but they won't recast after Ledger's death. MOST of the time when they kill the villains in the movies, it just seems like a pointless and easy way out, and another limitation on future films. That's my point more so than who kills who in the comic books themselves. Besides, I think a hero that doesn't kill (Batman, Superman, Spidey, etc.) is more interesting than one that does.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:32 pm

I just got back from a double feature of Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk at my local dollar theater. Two great tastes that taste great together! I encourage everybody to go see these films back to back if you can.
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Postby MouthForWar » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:51 pm

DVD art um... well, it sucks... bad.

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Postby Jinzo Ningen » Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:38 pm

Well at least with the uber-deluxe 3-disc set there's hope we'll finally be able to see the complete film (either Norton's favored version, or something with the entire 70 mins. of additional footage edited back in), along with the truncated theatrical release.

Should be a boatload of behind the scenes extras and other goodies.

This will definitely be on my "buy" list, along with Iron Man's 2-disc offering.
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Postby Kailem » Sat Aug 16, 2008 3:27 am

Louis Leterrier says he does want to include all the deleted footage on the DVD/Blu-ray, but he won't be re-editing it back into the film, so I'd be very surprised if there turns out to be any sort of extended or director's cut on there.

I just hope the third disc isn't a pointless, stupid digital copy of the movie, as has been the case with certain multi-disc releases of late, and is actually something that's worth a damn.
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Postby MouthForWar » Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:12 pm

Kailem wrote:I just hope the third disc isn't a pointless, stupid digital copy of the movie, as has been the case with certain multi-disc releases of late, and is actually something that's worth a damn.


Its been confirmed that disc 3 is in fact a digital copy.
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Postby Kailem » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:39 am

Booooo!!! :x
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Postby Jinzo Ningen » Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:41 am

OK, so I'm not up to the minute on this stuff... what's a "digital" copy, versus a "normal" copy ??? After all, the film's digitally-encoded on a Digital Video Disc... so what's the deal? How can this disc be MORE digital than the other(s) ??? I am lost here... :(

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Postby Mysterio » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:15 pm

I was wondering the same thing... It's all digital... can someone clarify?
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Postby kidnicky » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:38 pm

I think it means you can download it on your PC,allthough why would you want to when you own the damn DVD?
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Postby Danno » Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:58 pm

Yeah I bought Hellboy on DVD not too long ago and it had a "Digital Copy" feature. You copy it to your PC and watch it. Whoopie!
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