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Re: The Official MZ Doctor Who Thread!

Postby Dr Kain » Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:46 pm

Well now that the Halloween festivities are over, it's time to dive back into Doctor Who.

A Christmas Carol - Easily the best Xmas special to date. It's competently written, well thought out, never bores, Michael Gambon is just awesome, it's based on the greatest book ever written, and most of all, Earth is not in peril at all because Earth is not even featured in it. Talk about a win-win all around. THis is easily Moffat at his finest.

The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon - A fantastic premier that has elements of horror, sci-fi, and ties it all together nicely with a lingering plot that is going to develop over the entire season. Awesome! We're off to a great start right from the get go, especially with the opening segment with an older Doctor dying and his younger self having no idea what is going on. I also have to give praises to the dude who played Nixon as he was fantastic. Then we have the Silence, who are just awesomely creepy creatures. Another praise to Moffat for coming up with yet again an excellent set of adversaries for the Doctor to face like he had with the Weeping Angels several seasons earlier. I will admit it is kind of weird that the Doctor just decides to push the little girl plot aside just so they could have some filler episodes.

The Black Spot - No where near as good as the two part premier, but not bad, though it does kind of get dumb towards the end. Also, what happened to the crew member that the captain's son scratched? He was in the room with Amy and gang when the other dude ran out and that was the last we ever saw of him. Is he just sitting in the back of the ship on his own after everyone went to the other ship and is all like, "Hello? Is anyone out there? Hello?"
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Re: The Official MZ Doctor Who Thread!

Postby Benjamin Haines » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:32 pm

The last new episode of Doctor Who that I had seen for the past few years was the 2015 Christmas special, The Husbands of River Song. With the show available to stream on Amazon Prime, my girlfriend and I have been rewatching Peter Capaldi's episodes over the last few weeks before proceeding to the ones we haven't seen yet.

Last night we finally watched the 2016 Christmas special, The Return of Doctor Mysterio. It's cool to see this show do its own take on the modern superhero trend. In terms of prior cinematic adaptations, it actually seemed to be influenced by Richard Donner's Superman, Tim Burton's Batman and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man more than anything modern, which was also cool. The ode to River was touching and it was fun to have Nardole stick around as a companion for at least one more episode.

Next we proceed with Peter Capaldi's final season as the Doctor, and then Jodie Whittaker's debut season!
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Re: The Official MZ Doctor Who Thread!

Postby Dr Kain » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:31 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:The last new episode of Doctor Who that I had seen for the past few years was the 2015 Christmas special, The Husbands of River Song. With the show available to stream on Amazon Prime, my girlfriend and I have been rewatching Peter Capaldi's episodes over the last few weeks before proceeding to the ones we haven't seen yet.

Last night we finally watched the 2016 Christmas special, The Return of Doctor Mysterio. It's cool to see this show do its own take on the modern superhero trend. In terms of prior cinematic adaptations, it actually seemed to be influenced by Richard Donner's Superman, Tim Burton's Batman and Sam Raimi's Spider-Man more than anything modern, which was also cool. The ode to River was touching and it was fun to have Nardole stick around as a companion for at least one more episode.

Next we proceed with Peter Capaldi's final season as the Doctor, and then Jodie Whittaker's debut season!


It's a shame BBC was able to make a better Superman movie as a parody than WB was with the actual Superman movie.
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Re: The Official MZ Doctor Who Thread!

Postby Tom R VanSlambrouck » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:26 pm

I still need to watch Peter Capaldi's final episode as the Doctor as well as anything Jodie Whittaker. Probably closer to Christmas I'll watch Capaldi's final episode as it'd be fitting since it is the 2017 Christmas special.
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Re: The Official MZ Doctor Who Thread!

Postby Dr Kain » Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:57 pm

Started the next disc, but I forgot to mention yesterday that I'm a little disappointed with the way BBC did Season 2 for Smith. Unlike Season 1, the prequel segments do NOT play before their respective episodes. As such, you have to constantly go back to the disc menu, go into the features section, and then play the prequel, then go back to the main menu, Episodes, and select the next episode. So freaking stupid and time consuming. Yes, I know, first world problems, but still. It's dumb.

ANyway:

The Doctor's Wife - Okay, so a few seasons ago with had and episode titled "THe Doctor's Daughter" and now we get "The Doctor's Wife." Um okay... not really sure how the Tardis is his wife, but sure, whatever. The episode itself is pretty good. Better than The Black Spot, but not as good as the two part premier. I do love the scene when the House takes controls of its two lackeys as I love how the duo just cease all body functions except for their mouths at the drop of a hat. The stuff happening in the Tardis later on with Amy and Rori is quite cool to. Overall, a pretty good episode.

The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People - And here we go, the first true major bomb in Smith's run. In fact, this is to Matt Smith what 42 is to David Tennant. A lackluster as all heck, unoriginal, uninspiring generic borefest that drags on and on. It feels like an hour long story stretched out to be a 2 parter because the writers couldn't figure out what to cut out and decided to just needlessly extend it. Most of the banter is extremely cliche. Thankfully there are some great moments between the Doctor the Flesh Doctor that can relieve some of the boredom, but for the most part, it's a train wreck. What makes it even worse though is that it HAS to be watched due to its last 5 minutes. There's nothing worse than a terrible episode being part of the show's main plot.

A Good Man Goes to War - There is so much build up, so much tension, so much suspense, and then it all peters out like a wet fart thanks to a poor payoff. Of course, it also doesn't help that we now have a comic relief Sontaran that's a nurse? That seems extremely out of character for everything that I've seen since Tom Baker's run revolving around their race. I know he states it was punishment by the Doctor, but that still doesn't make any sense. The reveal of River was cool though even if it leaves a lot of lingering questions. I did like the Sith Lord monks. They aren't as cool as the Silence, but still an intriguing concept.

Let's Kill Hitler - I loved this episode when I first watched it all those years ago. Sadly, I can't say the same this time around. I don't know, but it just felt off. First, showing us that Rori and Amy had this delinquent friend the entire time just seemed out of the blue as there was never once a hint of her at all. Secondly, the Inside Out Robot crew seems rather... well... dumb. Like really dumb even by Doctor Who standards. Also, they turned HItler into a blundering idiot. The man might have been a terrible person, but I don't think his persona fits with Saturday morning cartoon villainy. Next up, I'm a little confused. Mels told everyone the last time she regenerated was in 1969, which means she stayed a child for over thirty years just so she could grow up with Amy and Rori. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... what? That seems extremely convoluted. Oh right, I'm watching Doctor Who, I keep forgetting that it doesn't have to make sense. :-D
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Re: The Official MZ Doctor Who Thread!

Postby Dr Kain » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:13 am

And in the blink of an eye we have finished the second season to Smith.

Night Terrors - I really liked this one. It was weird, suspenseful, and featured a lot of creepy moments, which is how I love my Doctor Who. I do wish the apartment manager had gotten killed as he deserved it, especially because that meant nothing was ever at stake, but oh well. An enjoyable episode nonetheless and it's sad how relatable the parents were.

The Girl Who Waited - Some interesting ideas, but ultimately a very dull and boring episode that felt like it was never going to end. I do have to give praises to the make-up people though as they managed to age Amy without it looking extremely fake as aging tends to look.

The God Complex - Oh my god, it's like The Shining meets Doctor Who meets the Minotaur's Labyrinth. I LOVE IT!! This episode was so damn awesome with a lot of excellent visuals and so much suspense and tension. Easily one of the season's best episodes.

Closing Time - Huh, Craig's back and he has a baby. Interesting. I love the name Stormageddon. That is just badass! Anyway, this was a really interesting way to execute a Cybermen episode, though, I really think they should have used a more traditional Cybermen design given they were supposed to have been shipwrecked there for centuries. The resolution also comes off a bit farfetched, but as I said yesterday, it's Doctor Who, there are no rules. Anything can happen because the plot needs it to.

The Wedding of River Song - Well that was certainly an enjoyable, yet convoluted rushed mess. It makes more sense than the Pandorica season finale though, so I'll give it that. I wish they had done more with the Silence though, especially since I would have loved to have seen some sort of origin story for them. I do think using the robot lawmen body was quite clever. It's also cool that they planted seeds for the next season. However, like I said, it was way too rushed. This should have been a 2 parter instead of having the Flesh episodes be a multi-part story.

Overall, after I watched it the first time back in 2011, I thought this season was better than his first. This time around, I have to say the first was a much tighter season. This one kind of meandered around some ideas the excellent premier introduced as if the writers were trying to figure out what they actually wanted to do with the concepts introduced at the start. It had its ups and its downs, but it did end on a high note that wrapped almost everything up. As I said, more should have been done with the Silence, especially since I don't believe they really do anything else with them for the rest of the series beyond a brief appearance in the regeneration episode and nothing at all in Capaldi's run.

The development they gave Rori and Amy continued to rock and the trio has great chemistry. This may be the best DW trio since the Doctor, Sarah, and Harry in Season 12/Baker Season 1. It was nice how almost every episode tied into the overall plot, yet, I feel like the season still stalled a bit in its stand alone episodes. The Doctor's Wife and Night Terrors served absolutely no purpose to the overarching story at all while a borefest like the Flesh 2 parter did. That doesn't make them bad episodes, it just means that they should have been removed to do something more with the Silence, the Impossible Astronaut, or as I said above, paced the finale out better.

I also have to mention that upon thinking about it, Let's Kill Hitler was also pretty bad because the plot had absolutely nothing to do with Hitler. I'm surprised it wasn't written by Chibnall.

My rankings of this season's episodes are:

1. A Christmas Carol
2. The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon
3. The God Complex
4. Night Terrors
5. The Doctor's Wife
6. The Wedding of River Song
7. Closing Time
8. A Good Man Goes to War
9. Let's Kill Hitler
10. The Black Spot
11. The Girl Who Waited
12. The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People

I'm quite fearful for the next season as I hated it when it first aired. I especially hated how they brought Amy and Rori back despite this season feeling like a great finale for them. Hopefully it won't be as bad as I remember.
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Re: The Official MZ Doctor Who Thread!

Postby Dr Kain » Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:29 am

The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe - Not bad, it has some touching moments, and I like the concept of the tree people, not to mention the hilarious scene between the trio of dumb soldiers with the mother. The ending kind of plays it too safe, but it works with the context of the story. It doesn't compare to A Christmas Carol, but it isn't terrible.
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