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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:23 am

I miss the days of the franchise being ambitious, just in general. Maybe what’s happening here is what happened in 1999 with Phantom Menace, but it’s just a kick in the pants to see Jurassic Park become a generic blockbuster with no ambitions.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:40 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I miss the days of the franchise being ambitious, just in general. Maybe what’s happening here is what happened in 1999 with Phantom Menace, but it’s just a kick in the pants to see Jurassic Park become a generic blockbuster with no ambitions.


Did it not make that transition long ago? I'd argue it started in The Lost World and was fully metastetized by JP3.

I see y'all lamenting the series no longer being revolutionary, broadening the public's scientific knowledge, etc.; but I think this may be a serious case of rose colored glasses. I'd say only the first film was truly revolutionary. And even it was far more a Hollywood monster movie than anything scientifically accurate. It did get the concept of dinosaurs evolving into birds more into the mainstream, but otherwise I'd say it's big scientific impact was getting people excited about dinosaurs again so they'd read books and visit museums where the real scientific knowledge is. But JP was neither the first nor the last dinosaur film to inspire further research...
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:12 pm

I don’t care about scientific accuracy. I care about the people involved showing care in their film. Jurassic World was so intangible. It got by on fun factor, but it’s like a piece of pepperoni when you want a slice of pizza. 3 has its faults. BIG TIME, but on a level of pushing the effects envelope, it’s still doing some things.

It’s kinda like my biggest complaint against Skull Island: the 33 film was REVOLUTIONARY. The 76 film pushed the effects too. The 05 film as well. Then Skull Island is content to have pretty middle of the road effects. It’s disappointing to see that level of commitment to excellence slide by the wayside.



And even that’s not totally the point when the trailer is as bland and uninteresting as the one for Fallen Kingdom.
If you’re saying “Dinosaurs, I’m in.” Then you’re just admitting that no matter HOW bad it looks, you’d see it? That’s a level of brand commitment I’m not sure I can do.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:44 pm

canofhumdingers wrote:
jellydonut25 wrote:I miss the days of the franchise being ambitious, just in general. Maybe what’s happening here is what happened in 1999 with Phantom Menace, but it’s just a kick in the pants to see Jurassic Park become a generic blockbuster with no ambitions.


Did it not make that transition long ago? I'd argue it started in The Lost World and was fully metastetized by JP3.


Jurassic Park III was a hollow endeavor but I'd argue that The Lost World: Jurassic Park is one of the most underrated sequels ever. It's every bit as ambitious as its predecessor and both films present some of the best acting and most naturalistic dialogue of any Hollywood blockbuster. The Lost World also boasts the best special effects of the series and a rapturous John Williams score that's totally unlike his work on the first movie.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby eabaker » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:00 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:both films present some of the best acting and most naturalistic dialogue of any Hollywood blockbuster.


I love Jurassic Park.

I love the dialogue in Jurassic Park.

But naturalistic is not a word I'd use to describe the bulk of it. It's all far too precise for that; what makes a lot of it feel naturalistic is the performances.

EDIT: As I was hitting "submit," the "of any Hollywood blockbuster" caveat leapt out at me. Somehow I'd missed it before. I suppose, on that heavily weighted scale, you do have a point.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:42 pm

eabaker wrote:I love Jurassic Park.

I love the dialogue in Jurassic Park.

But naturalistic is not a word I'd use to describe the bulk of it. It's all far too precise for that; what makes a lot of it feel naturalistic is the performances.

EDIT: As I was hitting "submit," the "of any Hollywood blockbuster" caveat leapt out at me. Somehow I'd missed it before. I suppose, on that heavily weighted scale, you do have a point.


I should have specified that I was referring to how the dialogue is spoken, not how it was written. Even then, though, I think little flourishes like the way different characters have simultaneous on-screen conversations and the way Malcolm stammers as talks over himself make the dialogue sound almost improvised at times.

I think the characters in the two Spielberg-directed JP films sound more like real-life people than movie characters, in a way that the characters in the later sequels just don't.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:47 pm

^Thats long been one of Spielberg’s great strengths. Look at the families in Jaws, Close Encounters, and E.T. They all feel like real people.

At any rate, I still stand by my statement that only the first film was really great. TLW is not terrible, but it has some really corny stuff that seems out of place and feels a lot like an stereotypical cheap sequel from the 70’s or 80’s to me for some reason. Effects-wise, it essentially took the effects from the first and did more of the same but ramped up to the next level. But it wasn’t nearly the groundbreaking event the first film was. It was just a logical evolution of those amazing feats.

JP3 is pretty terrible, but it’s still fun in a crappy B-movie sort of way.

JW is another cheesy B-movie but with a better story and better actors and (I assume) a bigger budget that really knew how to have fun with its ludicrousness.

This new film, based on the trailer, is growing on me. It looks to be another big budget B-movie, but they're (hopefully) using more animatronics/practical effects. And it looks like it’s gonna try out some of the classic dinosaur movie tropes like a big volcanic eruption. I’m not onboard because “ZOMG DINOSAURS!” I’m on board b/c “ZOMG Dinosaurs and volcanoes in a big budget sequel to a franchise that I’ve really enjoyed 3 out of 4 entries so far and returning cast members that I’ve found thoroughly entertaining!”
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Rody » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:55 am

canofhumdingers wrote:I see y'all lamenting the series no longer being revolutionary, broadening the public's scientific knowledge, etc.; but I think this may be a serious case of rose colored glasses. I'd say only the first film was truly revolutionary. And even it was far more a Hollywood monster movie than anything scientifically accurate.

Honestly, I was only referring to the first. I have some nostalgia for TLW and especially JP3, but I won't try to defend either film.
The first JP was half monster movie, sure; but only half. For every embellished feature of the dinosaurs (frilled, venom-spitting Dilophosaurus??), there was at least one totally naturalistic feature as well. The T.rex doesn't go on a rampage as soon as she's free* - she almost passes by the two jeeps altogether. JP presented its dinosaurs as real animals who occasionally acted monstrous.**
...And you mentioned the "dinosaurs into birds" aspect. The fact that JP made such an effort to establish that connection makes it almost shameful that none of the sequels ever tried to elaborate further (besides some slight design tweaks for the raptors in JP3). JW is just the most egregious example, being made over twenty years after the first.***


*unlike the Indominus AND the pterosaurs in JW, and arguably the male rex in TLW

**I admit the raptors are the exception here - those critters were always presented as bloodthirsty killing machines. Their being the exception is an important point, though, imo - for all the potentially hazardous animals on Nublar, it's the raptors' getting loose that gets everyone scared. JW loses this by having every single carnivorous animal immediately go on killing sprees upon escape. Even the dinos in TLW and JP3 seem a little too focused on killing every human they find.

***Not to mention how even the dinos not closely related to birds somehow look more dated than the ones from 1993/96.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:24 pm

Feels like a direct response to the "Not the island AGAIN!!!" complaints from the last trailer.

The movie looks like a turd, but a potentially enjoyable one. It should be FUN...and at least they're TRYING with their marketing here.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby lhb412 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:35 pm

Seemed to spy a few practical dino effects in there. Looks like a big B movie, like the previous one or (to use another example) the upcoming Rampage. I should be down for a fun B monster movie, but the first Jurassic World just didn't connect with me because I disliked the characters and didn't care for the action. Hopefully this one will connect.

... of course, I wonder if this film'll generate the same buzz as the first? You see, I think a large part of its success was that it just so happened to land at this exact time where there was a sweet spot of nostalgia for the original movie, and Jurassic World road that wave. Will there be the a similar energy this time?
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:44 pm

lhb412 wrote:Seemed to spy a few practical dino effects in there. Looks like a big B movie, like the previous one or (to use another example) the upcoming Rampage. I should be down for a fun B monster movie, but the first Jurassic World just didn't connect with me because I disliked the characters and didn't care for the action. Hopefully this one will connect.

... of course, I wonder if this film'll generate the same buzz as the first? You see, I think a large part of its success was that it just so happened to land at this exact time where there was a sweet spot of nostalgia for the original movie, and Jurassic World road that wave. Will there be the a similar energy this time?

Yeah, I definitely doubt it will be as big as the first.


As far as characters...they (sadly) don't look much better and from what (little) they've shown so far, the new character(s) are maybe even worse. That glasses guy is...well...I sincerely hope the stuff in the trailer is the WORST he is because he has the potential to be the most grating character to grace a silver screen this year.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:52 pm

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ok, so am I wrong, or does it basically look the same as the Indominus, just a darker shade, and with the Raptor Toe/Claw thing? I mean they've gone full monster-movie which is fine, I am giving this movie probably more of a chance than most folks, I'll probably catch it on a matinee or something, but what am I supposed to be seeing that I haven't seen before?...
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:07 pm

Isn't it the indomi-raptor or something? So, yeah, it's basically just a mini indominus.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Benjamin Haines » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:04 pm

That trailer seemed pretty spoilery to me. I think I'll avoid watching any more clips.


I've got a bad feeling about this movie. I'll still go see it and I hope it's at least fun to watch but it looks like they're making the action as ridiculous as possible.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby lhb412 » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:24 pm

Benjamin Haines wrote:I'll still go see it and I hope it's at least fun to watch but it looks like they're making the action as ridiculous as possible.


Spielberg can shoot the hell out of an action scene, as he does in the first two films, and that's part of the reason I thought the lackluster action in Jurassic World was lackluster. If they push things into a Fast and the Furious direction... I might like that.

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Re: Jurassic World 3 (2021)

Postby mr.negativity » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:38 am

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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Rody » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:17 pm

...So, there ARE some good things about this movie coming out:

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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby canofhumdingers » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:55 pm

Oh man, that looks like possibly the best dinosaur toy line ever! That big T Rex you control with the tail is flipping sweet. I may have to snag some of these for the kiddos... my 2 year old loves triceratops. Of course, it’s way cuter when he says it... Tie-tehr-wa-topppss!
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby O.Supreme » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:01 pm

Oh man that Dilophosaur Uno Attack is HI-Lar-Ious!. Unfortunately I'll never purchase another. After a couple of years the gears wear out on that thing, even with new batteries, the cards don't fly out like they should.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby klen7 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 3:13 pm

Ok, this new trailer is not my cup of tea. I was pretty excited with the previous trailers but this looks like a completely different movie and one with some unintentionally laughable scenes

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Fingers crossed this is just a poor trailer
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:17 pm

I'm on the other side of it:

I was pretty checked out on this movie. The island again? With explosions this time? It looked really dull and generic and wildly uninteresting...I STILL feel like Jeff Goldblum is being held at gunpoint and forced to read his lines but wants nothing to do with being there.


BUT


It finally looks interesting and fun and schlocky and I'm MUCH more in now. Gimme dat schlock. Gimme weaponized mutants and bidding on dinosaurs and dinos running around kids' bedrooms. Let's friggin break this franchise wide open and suck the sweet sweet marrow of its dried up bones instead of just making the same movie over and over. I hope Part III has raptors evolving to become super intelligent and becoming mob bosses.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby klen7 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:11 pm

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jellydonut25 wrote:Gimme weaponized mutants
there you go, as long as we're getting rid of the park might as well get rid of the Jurassic as well....
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby lhb412 » Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:25 pm

I also think this trailer seems to show off a more interestingly different movie than the 'same old, same old' of the previous trailers.
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Re: Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom (2018)

Postby Gentleman » Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:37 pm

I've found something to enjoy in every Jurassic movie, but this one... I don't know. I feel absolutely no pull towards it. I'll probably see it, but if I don't, I'm fine with waiting for Redbox.
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