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Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:18 am

And the movie only goes up to episode 8 of the anime. I doubt it's going to get to this supposedly important and good stuff in Part 2, and considering it's not exactly hitting at the box office, it seems unlikely that movies will be made to go on further.

And yeah, I definitely forgot about yoir belief that just because Peter Parker was drawn as white 50+ years ago when nobody would make a black hero, he this MUST be white...despite the actual character of Peter Parker having no racial characteristics.
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby Dr Kain » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:12 pm

So my Alamo is going to be showing the first movie on Sept 30 and Oct 5th, and the second movie on Oct 20th and 22nd. However, they don't say if it is subbed or dubbed. Hopefully subbed.
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Fri Sep 18, 2015 8:02 am

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Look at the comments below.
"The CGI stinks..."
"Eren's Titan looks like he is made out of wood..."
"Can't believe I'm saying this but pixels fight with centipede looked more believable...."

K...

G'16 is our last hope to have practical effects live on since this movie is such a dud. I'll be shocked if if the sequel makes any money at all.
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Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:59 am

Gargantuan Gargantua wrote:I'll be shocked if if the sequel makes any money at all.


Well, it's getting 1800 yen from me tomorrow! Starts here September 19. I loved part one, and I'm sure I'll enjoy part two as well.
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby jellydonut25 » Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:50 pm

The comments about the effects kinda hurt, and it's even a discussion I was having the other day with a bunch of people.

For some reason, American audiences are conditioned to swallow CGI and not practical effects. I don't get it, but everyone always says it's "better" because it looks more "realistic." I call shenanigans. I've NEVER looked at a CGI effects and said, "Holy damn. That looks so REAL. It's like they found an actual [whatever that is] and filmed it. I'm BLOWN AWAY!" Now, that doesn't mean I hate CGI or think practical effects are "better" or look more "realistic," but I think you just have to judge each effect unto itself.

Personally, I think the CGI in both Godzilla 2014 and Pacific Rim is amazing. The composite effects are great, things move with a sense of weight to them, and they are great examples of just good solid effects in general.
The CGI in Hobbit and Jurassic World on the other hand...definite parts that were extremely underwhelming. Some of the early shots of raptors in Jurassic World were shoddy, as were things like the CGI gate and stuff like that. Hobbit has some awful compositing, and the whargs (are they wargs? I dunno...the wolf-hyena things) float rather than actually appear to be running across the ground.
NONE of the things I talked about above looked realistic. Not a single thing. But I have NO complaints about two of them, while the other two, I wonder what they actually spent their hundreds of millions of dollars on, because it wasn't those particular effects at all.

Same with practical kaiju effects. I never (well, except maybe when I was y'know like 4 years old and watching Godzilla movies) thought a Godzilla effect was REALISTIC...but the 90s Heisei movies have a sense of laziness, bulkiness, and general ineffectivity, while the better Showa films show what can be done with suitmation done right. Again, NONE of it is realistic, but it's not about REALISM, it's about getting lost in the movie and enjoying it for what it is.

When a movie is good and the effects are good, it's easy to just get swept up, no matter the TYPE of effect being used....
...or rather, it SHOULD be.

Unfortunately, I (and probably everyone here, and a bunch of people I know) are in the minority. Studios disagree (execs are constantly pushing for CGI in place of practical effects, and have even been known to outright replace shots of practical things with CGI), and so do audiences (as shown by people lapping up even shoddy CGI and claiming it superior to practical stuff).

It sucks.



ALL of that said, I wonder if perhaps this particular movie/series is just getting backlash because the movie itself isn't very good, a lot of people have already seen it, and they're just picking on it in general.
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby lhb412 » Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:09 am

jellydonut25 wrote:The comments about the effects kinda hurt, and it's even a discussion I was having the other day with a bunch of people.

For some reason, American audiences are conditioned to swallow CGI and not practical effects. I don't get it, but everyone always says it's "better" because it looks more "realistic." I call shenanigans. I've NEVER looked at a CGI effects and said, "Holy damn. That looks so REAL. It's like they found an actual [whatever that is] and filmed it. I'm BLOWN AWAY!" Now, that doesn't mean I hate CGI or think practical effects are "better" or look more "realistic," but I think you just have to judge each effect unto itself.


It's a just conditioning. People are used to it, and they equate 'used to it' with 'like it.'

I never understood equating good effects with realism. A good effect is one which is visually interesting and supports the story and tone of the film. I love Harryhausen, Tsuburaya, I think Forbidden Planet is probably the prettiest sci-fi film ever made - and some of my favorite digital effects are stylized and unrealstic, like in Scott Pilgrim and Speed Racer.

... oh, and I agree that the effects in Godzilla '14 and PacRim were great, while the Jurassic World stuff was pretty unimpressive. I thought the raptors looked quite bad.

PS - The thing I really took away for that Attack on Titan scene was how satisfying bursts of artificial blood and goo are in special effects. '80s horror was based on this principal.
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:38 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:
ALL of that said, I wonder if perhaps this particular movie/series is just getting backlash because the movie itself isn't very good, a lot of people have already seen it, and they're just picking on it in general.


This has a lot to do with it. People jump on bandwagons and right now the anime community is going to hate that movie no matter what. Plus the word is out that the staff from the effects department is taking shots back at fans saying how bad the movie looked so people are going to dig in even harder. When someone makes a blatantly untrue statement about how the movie looks like SyFy channel movies like "Sharknado" it is just a jab cause they are pissed Captain Levi wasn't in the movie. However I love the fact they claim the CGI is bad when 90% of that scene isn't CG. It is just trendy right now to hate the movie.

These same people will probably go "Oooooooooooooh" and "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" when footage for G'16 comes out using the same exact techniques.

Kotaku took a big dump on the second movie just now. It does sound like the movie is a rushed piece of crud at 87 minutes but I am still excited to see the titan action.
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby Zack Metoyer » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:53 am

Saw this yesterday and thought the effects were, for the most part, fantastic. There's some really great stuff in this film. Unfortunately, most of it is buried underneath incompetent direction, and even when the direction is adequate, we're left to suffer through script issues. The deviations from the anime do hurt it, but I'm not going to dwell on them. The deviations from sensible storytelling hurt more. I'd rank it down there with Gunhed and Godzilla: Final Wars, but much prettier than either of those. I will be watching the hell out of this trainwreck on Blu-ray.
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Postby Dr Kain » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:43 am

I've read that the second movie is even worse than the first because a quarter of it is spent on flashbacks to the first movie. WTF?
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Postby lhb412 » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:43 am

Dr Kain wrote:I've read that the second movie is even worse than the first because a quarter of it is spent on flashbacks to the first movie. WTF?


Wha? Like an old Universal Mummy sequel?!
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Postby XvGojira » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:29 pm

lhb412 wrote:
Dr Kain wrote:I've read that the second movie is even worse than the first because a quarter of it is spent on flashbacks to the first movie. WTF?


Wha? Like an old Universal Mummy sequel?!


Or Silent Night, Deadly Night 2?
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Postby DannyBeane » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:42 pm

or any showa Gamera film?
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Postby Gargantuan Gargantua » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:57 pm

I believe Kotaku said it was a 10 minute flashback. That is still 8 minutes too long but whatever.
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Postby tbeasley » Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:44 am

Gargantuan Gargantua wrote:Kotaku took a big dump on the second movie just now. It does sound like the movie is a rushed piece of crud at 87 minutes but I am still excited to see the titan action.


I wonder if it was always going to be a two-parter or split after the fact.
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Postby Zack Metoyer » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:08 pm

My opinion of this film softened considerably on second viewing. I'm upgrading my rating from 2/5 to 2.5/5, which, objectively for me, puts it at around the same level as Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla vs. Biollante, which are the last two good Japanese Godzilla films, in my mind.
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Postby Dr Kain » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:52 am

Gargantuan Gargantua wrote:I believe Kotaku said it was a 10 minute flashback. That is still 8 minutes too long but whatever.


Exactly, especially for a movie that came out a month ago (which also means its run time is 77 minutes without the recap). I just don't feel comfortable spending money to watch these movies. I'll wait for them to be on Netflix or something.
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Postby Mac » Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:58 pm

Zack Metoyer wrote:My opinion of this film softened considerably on second viewing. I'm upgrading my rating from 2/5 to 2.5/5, which, objectively for me, puts it at around the same level as Godzilla 1984 and Godzilla vs. Biollante, which are the last two good Japanese Godzilla films, in my mind.


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Postby Zack Metoyer » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:22 pm

Mac wrote:Have you fallen out of love with Final Wars?


After ten long years, and more than a hundred viewings, I am finally able to admit its faults.

But it's still better than Masaaki Tezuka's films.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:43 pm

I dunno, bad reviews or no I'm still excited to see this on Wednesday! If only for the Titan effects.
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Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:33 pm

MekaGojira3k wrote:I dunno, bad reviews or no I'm still excited to see this on Wednesday! If only for the Titan effects.


To hell with the reviews, I loved part 1 and part 2! I saw part 2 opening night (Sept 19) in a nearly packed theater here in Sano. It was playing in the largest screen, 400-seat theater. Excellent action, terrific effects, and as far as I'm concerned, a decent enough story and acting. As I've mentioned before, I have nothing invested in the original manga and anime, so I feel none of the purist fan hatred for the movies.

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The battle between the Eren Titan and Armored Titan reminded me of Sanda vs Gaira so much I was smiling ear to ear the whole time. That alone was worth the price of admission!


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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:23 am

I feel like I'm being suckered back into seeing part 2.

I mean, if it condenses the first bit of mediocrity to 10 minutes, and then is 71 minutes of War of the Gargantuas...maybe I'll like it. (I used this same type of rationale for checking out part 1, "A lot of people who love the source material hate it. I hate the source material...maybe I'll love it." and it didn't work out for me).
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:43 am

jellydonut25 wrote:I used this same type of rationale for checking out part 1, "A lot of people who love the source material hate it. I hate the source material...maybe I'll love it." and it didn't work out for me.


That was my rationale as well and I wound up loving the first one. XD
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby MekaGojira3k » Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:39 pm

I like the Manga, but never watched more than the first ep of the anime. The black and white of the manga seems creepier. Although, with the movie, it's really just about watching for the toku stuff.
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Re: "ATTACK ON TITAN" - Man-Eating Giants Invade Japan!

Postby Moonlight SY-3 » Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:12 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I feel like I'm being suckered back into seeing part 2.

I mean, if it condenses the first bit of mediocrity to 10 minutes, and then is 71 minutes of War of the Gargantuas...maybe I'll like it. (I used this same type of rationale for checking out part 1, "A lot of people who love the source material hate it. I hate the source material...maybe I'll love it." and it didn't work out for me).



No, no suckering from me! If you didn't like part 1, you probably won't like part 2 much either.

It sure didn't seem like there was a 10-minute recap of part 1...maybe a couple of minutes at most. Then again, I didn't have my stopwatch out. And while I wrote that one battle reminded me a lot of WotG, it's certainly not 71 minutes of it.

I'll definitely be getting the Blu-ray of this!
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