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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:48 am
by kpa
Jack B wrote:We need a new Yongary remake! With dancing! And anal bleeding! :D


I'll pass along your request to Hyung Rae Shim on Thursday.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:19 pm
by Shigamado
I just learned about this film today! That's bad advertising.

It looks like complete crap, but I am destined to see this movie. It's about dragons attacking L.A. (my city) and it's main star's name is very simular to my real name (Jason Behr). It's like I have no choice.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:36 pm
by August
Dread Central's hilarious negative review of this -- as one poster called it -- "Big Budget Sci-Fi Channel Original Movie"! :D

http://www.dreadcentral.com/index.php?n ... nt&id=1619

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:08 pm
by emeGoji
I find it hard to believe that it's worse than GFW.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 10:14 pm
by MouthForWar
Jack B wrote:I find it hard to believe that it's worse than GFW.


GFW isn't amazing or anything, but its far from the worst movie ever.
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I WOULD be very surprised if D-War is worse than Yonggary 2001

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:05 pm
by Outkaster
Well I just saw it and it was a mess. GFW looks like the director was on crack when he made that movie.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:10 am
by MouthForWar
Outkaster wrote: GFW looks like the director was on crack when he made that movie.


It wouldn't surprised me if the whole GFW crew was on all kinds of coke and speed while making it. I mean... look at it. I love that movie I think its ridiculous fun, but I think the guy that edited it might have been part of a special program of Japanese film makers trying to teach monkeys how to edit movies.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 2:23 am
by kpa
The edits helped, but D-WAR is pretty much how I remember it from a year ago.

I am so looking forward to seeing people's reactions to this film!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:44 pm
by kaijujr
I saw it today and was really quite happy with it. It did not suffer from the stilted acting and beast wars grade cgi that bogged down yonggary. I shared the theater w/ about 12 other people at 10 am so this was hopeful in that there is an audience waiting for it. Ultraman powered fans will note the detective played by Rob Roy Fitzgerald. I hope this film gets a fair shake. The progress Shim Hyung Rae has made with this production is really noticeable. BTW anyone have the original 1999 suitmation version of Yonggary?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:55 pm
by Enshohma
kaijujr wrote:I saw it today and was really quite happy with it. It did not suffer from the stilted acting and beast wars grade cgi that bogged down yonggary. I shared the theater w/ about 12 other people at 10 am so this was hopeful in that there is an audience waiting for it. Ultraman powered fans will note the detective played by Rob Roy Fitzgerald. I hope this film gets a fair shake. The progress Shim Hyung Rae has made with this production is really noticeable. BTW anyone have the original 1999 suitmation version of Yonggary?


Actually, the 1999 version was also done in CGI, though of a far poorer level then the 2001 Upgrade / Reptilian version. Suits were made, but went mostly unused not counting some brief bits with Cyker crashing through buildings / streets, and commercials staring the full suited Youngary.

I saw Dragon Wars last night at Hollywood's Egyptian Theater and although a big improvement over Youngary, it still had some pretty weak points, spreading among its high points, notably the drama and any basic story logic, like where the freaking climax took place...the Planet of Buraki?!? The plot holes make “Godzilla vs. King Ghidorahâ€

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:33 pm
by MouthForWar
Jack B wrote:I find it hard to believe that it's worse than GFW.


Believe it, my friend.

Well I just got back from seeing this thing. This movie makes Godzilla vs. Megalon look like Kurosawa or Scorsese.... seriously.

Wow... just... wow. I knew it was gonna be bad, but MY GOD THAT WAS BAD. Shim Hyung Rae has finally earned his title of the Korean Uwe Boll (director of Bloodrayne, Alone in the Dark, House of the Dead and other various flops) (and this DOES feel VERY much like a Uwe Boll movie... only funnier and less boring). His remake of the Korean kaiju movie Yongary held the record of the worst giant monster movie I'd ever seen... but even that didn't have as many plot holes as D-War did. This is what happens when the guy that made THAT piece of crap gets 70 million (who the hell financed this thing?!) to make a movie.

I knew it was gonna suck, but I decided to bite the bullet and see it because its so rare for an Asian monster movie to be released theatrically here, so I decided to see it to support the genre I hold so dear. How often do you see a Korean film with all American actors that's about giant dragons come to theaters here? Really, how often does THAT happen?! So I had to see it on principle alone. So this afternoon, myself and my good friend and fellow G-Fan Franz Vorenkamp ventured to the local cinema to see DRAGON WARS... IN THE THEATER! But honestly, it didn't deserve it... at all. It would have been best suited to come straight to DVD or the Sci Fi Channel. This is the exact type of movie that Snakes on a Plane was making fun of.

I can't even begin to describe the things wrong with this movie. The acting, the script, directing, editing, EVERYTHING was just so poorly done. The editing is so bad that there will be a long scene, followed by another long scene, followed by a continuation of the scene before it that leaves you thinking "I thought this scene was over?"

Robert Forester plays a flying, super strengthed, 500 year old Korean monk reincarnated... what happened to this guy? I greatly enjoyed him in Jackie Brown and Lynch's Mulholland Dr. but here he just looks, bored, old, and careless about what he's doing. His character disguises himself as various people to get to reach the main characters, but you really don't understand why he even bothers changing form.

Another thing that made NO sense was every time a character goes from one place to another, it looks like they are in different parts of the world. One second they'll be in the city, next they will be in the mountains...

Also, nobody seems to notice the giant f'ing snake wrapping around buildings and houses... ever (not until the battle with the military at least). You see a giant snake wrapping around a house in broad daylight and not one person is running... you see him wrap around a hospitial in the middle of Las Angeles, and nobody seems to even care.

Don't even get me started on the villain... basically a supernatural version of Shredder played by an aging white guy that speaks fragmented Korean.

Literally every scene of this movie opens a new plot hole. And don't even get me started on the character of the black friend (who was obviously written by someone who has never talked to a real black person) who is seen listening to rap music in his car, and OF COURSE has a gun, which he later gives to the hero in some kind of "good luck, I love you bro" moment.

The special effects themselves are mixed bag. The giant snakes look pretty decent, but its still not near the best CG in the world... every other creature looks like something from the Phantom Menace and basically looks like crap.

After one of the most cliched and contrived endings I've seen in modern films, I staggered out of the theater feeling like I had just been lobotomized.

But with all that said, this movie was HILARIOUS... unintentionally so of course. I was pretty much laughing at every scene... this could very well be the modern day Troll 2 (yes, I'm going there!).

Korea was never known for outstanding cinema, but in the last few years that's changed with great, original movies like The Host, Oldboy, etc. and they have carefully put Korean cinema on the map... but D-War sets Korean cinema back 20 years. Skip this unless you wanna laugh hard at a bad movie or if you are an enthusiast of giant monsters. Its a great comedy... but a terrible film (gee, what a surprise). But I really did have a great time laughing at this thing, so I really don't feel bad about paying to see it... it was worth it to laugh that hard.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:50 pm
by Jays
Caught the noon showing. What a train wreck. The story is downright moronic. When a film starts with a voice over that goes in a flashback, and the current flashback goes into ANOTHER flashback/story, you know it's a rough road ahead. The story is awful, PAINFULLY awful. The acting flat out stunk for the most part. A couple actors are ok, but the lines they must deliver are bad. I can do suspension of disbelief, I am a kaiju fan, but this movie asked for too much.

HOWEVER, all the dragon, action and monster stuff is great! The monster cgi are pretty much on the level of a mid-budget Hollywood movie. The dragon designs are top-notch and impressive. One design is downright beautiful.

At the end of the movie I was mad because Shim Hyung Rae blew it. If this film had a passable, half way decent script and actors to go along with great dragon FX, it could have been something special.

Only hardcore monster films will be able to stand the agony that is on screen when the monsters aren't.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:59 pm
by Jays
MouthForWar you pretty much summed up even more of my thoughts. I knew it was going to be bad, but I wasn't prepare for HOW BAD.

There was a trailer of an Uwe Boll film before Dragon Wars. :)

However, Troll 2 is waaaaay better on the "so bad, it's good scale". I doubt Troll 2 can be surpassed. :D

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:06 pm
by kaijujr
Well, so much for hoping. I have a lot of respect for the creative process and Zero Hour is one really big impressive venture to come out of the fan community. Having said that, it does not seem wise to sling derision on someone else's work unless you plan to guarantee and deliver a superior product, regardless of whatever budgetary defense you may be inclined to use. It looks like poor sportsmanship.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:06 pm
by MouthForWar
Jays wrote:MouthForWar you pretty much summed up even more of my thoughts. I knew it was going to be bad, but I wasn't prepare for HOW BAD.

There was a trailer of an Uwe Boll film before Dragon Wars. :)

However, Troll 2 is waaaaay better on the "so bad, it's good scale". I doubt Troll 2 can be surpassed. :D


Yeah, Troll 2 really is the Citizen Kane of bad movies. Perhaps I jumped the gun a bit with that comment. :lol:

And that Boll movie looked so bad... Burt Reynolds is the king and Ray Liotta is an evil sorcerer... How the HELL does he get people like that in his movies? Seriously. Only fitting that that trailer came on before D-War

Jays wrote:At the end of the movie I was mad because Shim Hyung Rae blew it. If this film had a passable, half way decent script and actors to go along with great dragon FX, it could have been something special.


Yeah, he can pretty much kiss his dreams of being a big name, blockbuster director goodbye... for good.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:08 pm
by kiryugoji04
kaijujr wrote:Well, so much for hoping. I have a lot of respect for the creative process and Zero Hour is one really big impressive venture to come out of the fan community. Having said that, it does not seem wise to sling derision on someone else's work unless you plan to guarantee and deliver a superior product, regardless of whatever budgetary defense you may be inclined to use. It looks like poor sportsmanship.


That's silly. If it's bad, why not say it's bad?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:08 pm
by MouthForWar
kaijujr wrote:Well, so much for hoping. I have a lot of respect for the creative process and Zero Hour is one really big impressive venture to come out of the fan community. Having said that, it does not seem wise to sling derision on someone else's work unless you plan to guarantee and deliver a superior product, regardless of whatever budgetary defense you may be inclined to use. It looks like poor sportsmanship.


GZH is a no-budget fan film... sorry, but if you're expecting Gamera 3 out of us, you might as well just stop. If you are expecting an interesting fan made, no budget take on these characters with a lot of new and cool ideas, then join us.

D-War was a 70 million dollar budgeted film with some well known (and even great) actors (not even Robert Forester was any good). We don't have those luxuries. We are college students, some of us in major debt, and we can barley afford food to eat at times... we are making a SHORT FAN FILM in our LIMITED spare time WITHOUT MONEY AND A VERY VERY VERY SMALL CREW. We are nothing more than a group of fans making a film and having fun with it when we get the chance to actually work on the thing. There's a BIG DIFFERENCE between that and a real, big budgeted, studio film. We aren't here to compete with D-War or even other kaiju movies in general. We are making a short fan film for FUN and out of tribute to the movies we love. If you fail to grasp that, you may as well not pay attention to our little film.

But I'm just the web master, production assistant and friend of the crew... not the director or even an actor in GZH, so I don't see the need for this response to my post. I'm not a film maker in the smallest sense of the word.

But with that said, I could film myself taking a dump and it would be a better and more entertaining film than D-War.

kiryugoji04 wrote:That's silly. If it's bad, why not say it's bad?

Exactly. Its like when I say I dislike a certain band and people say "LETS HEAR YOU PICK UP A GUITAR AND DO BETTER"- Well, no. I'm not a guitar player, but that doesn't mean I don't have the right to say it sucks. If it sucks, it sucks regardless of if I can play in a band or not.

You might as well say that nobody has the right to dislike anything until they prove they can make a better film or write a better song or a better story... its ludicrous thinking. Everyone hates a critic, but everyone is one, so you might as well embrace it and express your true feelings about things.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:21 pm
by kiryugoji04
Of topic, I can't decide on how I feel about Zero Hour. On the one hand, it's cool you guys are doing it and I'm jealous you've assembled such a large crew and all (I'm the only person I know with ambitions to make that sort of film at some point) but on the other the story sounds like one of those fanboy wet dreams and I can't say I care for the CGI.

Despite all that, I certainly hope I'll be impressed when it's finished. :)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:21 pm
by Jays
kaijujr wrote:Well, so much for hoping. I have a lot of respect for the creative process and Zero Hour is one really big impressive venture to come out of the fan community. Having said that, it does not seem wise to sling derision on someone else's work unless you plan to guarantee and deliver a superior product, regardless of whatever budgetary defense you may be inclined to use. It looks like poor sportsmanship.


I really forgot how wacky this place can be. :lol:

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:24 pm
by MouthForWar
kiryugoji04 wrote:Of topic, I can't decide on how I feel about Zero Hour. On the one hand, it's cool you guys are doing it and I'm jealous you've assembled such a large crew and all (I'm the only person I know with ambitions to make that sort of film at some point) but on the other it sounds like one of those fanboy wet dreams and I can't say I care for the CGI.

Despite all that, I certainly hope I'll be impressed when it's finished. :)


I'm about as anti-CGI as they come, but there really is no other way to pull off monster stuff in a fan film with no budget... The Godzilla vs. the Kaiju killer guys are doing it that way, and its alright for what they are doing, but even they have more money to spend than we do. We have some great, super expensive equipment that we've had for a long time, but we have all been broke for several years now. We can't afford miniatures and we don't know anyone good enough to make a suit, and if we did, we couldn't hire them... nobody working on GZH is even getting paid. But Franz is a great animator and he does it all by himself (along with all the directing and editing, and post production and well... everything else) and for that, it looks pretty remarkable. He's good at what he does and he has a lot of experience because he directs commercials for a living (but he lives in an apartment by himself, and he's 20 years old, so obviously most of the money he makes goes towards that). We DO want to incorporate more practical effects, but we are gonna have to do it ourselves... I just bought a book from Tom Savini when I met him at the Detroit Comic Con (super cool dude by the way), and it shows how to do that stuff by yourself... so hopefully we'll be able to make something of it, but I doubt we'll have to money to get the right supplies. Trust me, none of us are happy about going the all CG route, but its all we can afford right now.

Anyway, lets get back on topic, shall we? Anyone else see D-War yet?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:29 pm
by kaijujr
So I figured the relative budget/ resources argument would get going which is why I tried to frame the argument in terms of respecting other peoples work. I dont care if someone likes it or not, its an opinion so its cool. And no, it isnt a perfect film, I just said I liked it. When you compare it to your taking a dump you sound much less evenhanded and your comments lose credibility. I appreciate the invitation to join and actually considered getting in on the production but I am a suit builder and that is not what you are using, otherwise it would have been great to collaborate.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:29 pm
by kiryugoji04
MouthForWar wrote:
kiryugoji04 wrote:Of topic, I can't decide on how I feel about Zero Hour. On the one hand, it's cool you guys are doing it and I'm jealous you've assembled such a large crew and all (I'm the only person I know with ambitions to make that sort of film at some point) but on the other it sounds like one of those fanboy wet dreams and I can't say I care for the CGI.

Despite all that, I certainly hope I'll be impressed when it's finished. :)


I'm about as anti-CGI as they come, but there really is no other way to pull off monster stuff in a fan film with no budget... we can't afford miniatures and we don't know anyone good enough to make a suit, and if we did, we couldn't hire them... nobody working on GZH is even getting paid. But Franz is a great animator and he does it all by himself and for that, it looks pretty remarkable. He's good at what he does. We DO want to incorporate more practicaly effects, but we are gonna have to do it ourselves... I just bought a book from Tom Savini when I met him at the Detroit Comic Con, and it shows how to do that stuff by yourself... so hopefully we'll be able to make something of it.


Oh, I understand. My main issue is just how CGI indie CGI looks, y'know? But I have faith they'll still make it worth our while.

Still, after watching Gainax's Ultraman Parody (and making-of) I think I can pull off a decent minimal-CGI film with little-to-no budget. If I could get together a freakin' crew, that is... >>

Good luck to you guys!

Anyway, lets get back on topic, shall we?


Yes, sorry for helping to de-rail.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:30 pm
by MouthForWar
kaijujr wrote: When you compare it to your taking a dump you sound much less evenhanded and your comments lose credibility.


Dude, it was just a joke. I obviously don't ACTUALLY think that me pooping would be a better film. :lol: It was just an exaggeration.

Its cool that you liked D-War, I'm not ragging on anyone that liked it... I'd be lying if I said it was a complete bore... it was entertaining and often unintentionally hilarious, so I'd be lying by saying I didn't have fun watching it. It just wasn't... good.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:42 pm
by TheMaster
kaijujr wrote:So I figured the relative budget/ resources argument would get going which is why I tried to frame the argument in terms of respecting other peoples work. I dont care if someone likes it or not, its an opinion so its cool. And no, it isnt a perfect film, I just said I liked it. When you compare it to your taking a dump you sound much less evenhanded and your comments lose credibility. I appreciate the invitation to join and actually considered getting in on the production but I am a suit builder and that is not what you are using, otherwise it would have been great to collaborate.


dude if he thought it was crap he thought it was crap. Its his opinion-its not obliged to be "even handed"! Man p.c. gone too far!

PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:43 pm
by TheMaster
kaijujr wrote:Well, so much for hoping. I have a lot of respect for the creative process and Zero Hour is one really big impressive venture to come out of the fan community. Having said that, it does not seem wise to sling derision on someone else's work unless you plan to guarantee and deliver a superior product, regardless of whatever budgetary defense you may be inclined to use. It looks like poor sportsmanship.


Oh good lord! :lol: