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Introducing People to the Franchise Movie Order

Postby Jorzilla » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:06 pm

With Godzilla and Pacific Rim coming out (or out while reading this), I've been trying to introduce more of my extended friends to the franchise. I've come up with a list of films which are ranked and sectioned as follows:

1) What tells a complete story (while keeping the total number of films low)?

2) Provide the best context for a remake or a recycled character. I.E, a person needs to know who Mothra, King Ghidorah or Mechagodzilla are before you show them a character/movie remake.

3) Stacked according to quality of those film series, but only after considering options 1 and 2.

Ultimately I'd like to add story synopsis and context for each section of films. That way when someone new to the series reads the list, they can know what to expect and what movies need to be considered/ignored for the plot to make sense.

Here's the list of films:

Godzilla Character Trilogy

Godzilla (Godzilla, King of the Monsters) [1954]
The Return of Godzilla (Godzilla 1985) [1984]
Godzilla vs. Biollante [1989]

King Ghidorah and Mothra Saga

Mothra vs. Godzilla [1964]
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster [1964]
Invasion of Astro-Monster (Godzilla vs. Monster Zero) [1965]
Destroy All Monsters [1968]

Modern Throwback

Godzilla, Mothra & King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack [2001]

Original Mechagodzilla(s)

Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla [1974]
Terror of Mechagodzilla [1975]

Best of Heisei (Remaining)

Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah [1991]
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2 [1993]
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah [1995]

Mechagodzilla Remakes

Godzilla Against Mechagodzilla [2002]
Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. [2003]

70s Action Star!

Godzilla vs. Hedorah (Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster) [1971]
Godzilla vs. Gigan [1972]

Godzilla's Island Adventure!

Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster) [1966]
Son of Godzilla [1967]
All Monsters Attack (Godzilla's Revenge) [1969]

'Honoring' the Franchise

Godzilla: Final Wars [2004]

More Reboots?

Godzilla 2000: Millennium (Godzilla 2000) [1999]
Godzilla vs. Megaguirus [2000]

Remaining Showa Films

Godzilla Raids Again [1955]
King Kong vs. Godzilla [1962]

Worst of Heisei (Remaining)

Godzilla vs. Mothra (Godzilla & Mothra: The Battle for Earth) [1992]
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla [1994]

Jet Jaguar!

Godzilla vs. Megalon [1973]

Now You Understand the Pain

GODZILLA [1998]


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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:10 pm

I like "The Jun Fukuda Essentials"
-Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster
-Son of Godzilla
-Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla.
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Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:16 pm

I tend to just show everything in chronological order if possible, in order to give a clear sense of the historical development of the series.

I would certainly never wait so long to show people King Kong vs. Godzilla or Godzilla vs. Hedorah, since those both show off such unique tones; they really help give a sense of how broadly the concept of Godzilla can be applied.
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Postby Inferior Rodan » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:24 pm

I like this list you put together, for me if i was introductioning someone to Godzilla i`d start with Final wars as its the A.D.D action flick of Godzilla movies in my opinion. Then show them something far better while explaining why Final wars ani`t that great.
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Postby Jorzilla » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:27 pm

eabaker wrote:I tend to just show everything in chronological order if possible, in order to give a clear sense of the historical development of the series.

I would certainly never wait so long to show people King Kong vs. Godzilla or Godzilla vs. Hedorah, since those both show off such unique tones; they really help give a sense of how broadly the concept of Godzilla can be applied.
I think that the 70s Hero Films can probably go above the Mechagodzilla remakes. I'm on the fence about that one actually. As for King Kong vs. Godzilla it is a little bit of a shame that it ends up so far down the list. It might be a good fit before Mothra vs. Godzilla, but that would result in a huge shift in quality since Biollante is a pretty tightly made film, King Kong is so goofy, and then Mothra vs. Godzilla is amazing.

I get what your coming from with the tone issue, but for someone new to the franchise going from a brooding character in first films, to a space alien fighting hero should demonstrate the wide range of Godzilla tones :lol: .

jellydonut25 wrote:I like "The Jun Fukuda Essentials"
-Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster
-Son of Godzilla
-Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla.
I agree which is why they are grouped together (plus Revenge keeping the Island theme, it also leads into Final Wars which is another, similar style monster fest). However Mechagodzilla and Terror of Mechagodzilla build right off of one another. Together they make a good story, and they also provide context for why Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II is significant. Hence why they are further up in the list, together.

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Just for some clarification, this is my attempt at making something like the Machete order for the Star Wars films. If you haven't read about it before, check it out here because it's a really great way to get people to watch and enjoy Star Wars:

http://static.nomachetejuggling.com/machete_order.html
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Postby Jorzilla » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:30 pm

Inferior Rodan wrote:I like this list you put together, for me if i was introductioning someone to Godzilla i`d start with Final wars as its the A.D.D action flick of Godzilla movies in my opinion. Then show them something far better while explaining why Final wars ani`t that great.
Final Wars is best enjoyed (or hated) if you know who each of the monsters are. A new viewer isn't going to care about Ebirah or Hedora cameos if they haven't see the original films. However I agree, if I want to show someone one random film that they will probably enjoy, Final Wars is recommended (even though I personally despise that movie, though that is a different discussion).
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Postby DannyBeane » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:32 pm

It's Godzilla vs Gigan or go home.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:37 pm

If I'm introducing someone to the series, I'd start with the original film first and always.

After that, I'd probably skip over to Mothra vs. Godzilla, simply briefly explaining that a second Godzilla appeared as per Yamani's fears...

After that, I dunno, I may ruminate on this and come up with my own list...
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Postby Jorzilla » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:42 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:If I'm introducing someone to the series, I'd start with the original film first and always.

After that, I'd probably skip over to Mothra vs. Godzilla, simply briefly explaining that a second Godzilla appeared as per Yamani's fears...

After that, I dunno, I may ruminate on this and come up with my own list...
If I was going to do that, I'd organize as follows:

Godzilla Early Years
Godzilla (Godzilla, King of the Monsters) [1954]
Mothra vs. Godzilla [1964]
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster [1964]
Invasion of Astro-Monster (Godzilla vs. Monster Zero) [1965]
Destroy All Monsters [1968]

Modern Throwback

Godzilla, Mothra & King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack [2001]

Original Mechagodzilla(s)
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla [1974]
Terror of Mechagodzilla [1975]

Best Heisei

The Return of Godzilla (Godzilla 1985) [1984]
Godzilla vs. Biollante [1989]
Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah [1991]
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2 [1993]
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah [1995]
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:47 pm

I'd never show Destroy All Monsters so early.

Why would I want someone to be bored so very early in their viewing of Godzilla films?

Badoom ching!
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Postby Jorzilla » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:49 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I'd never show Destroy All Monsters so early.

Why would I want someone to be bored so very early in their viewing of Godzilla films?

Badoom ching!
:lol:

It's there because the two films leading up to it show an alien threat to Earth, and Destroy all Monsters will look like more of a last stand (instead of Godzilla hanging around the South Pacific). It also adds a final peg to the Showa series by showing King Ghidorah getting killed. Earth is saved! Expect Toho kept making Godzilla films!
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:31 pm

My educational style is a lot more inclusive of the rest of Toho's library (Original Godzilla followed by Mothra, etc.) and is predominantly Showa-focused. They can watch most of the rest of the stuff on their own time. :lol:
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Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:39 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:My educational style is a lot more inclusive of the rest of Toho's library (Original Godzilla followed by Mothra, etc.) and is predominantly Showa-focused. They can watch most of the rest of the stuff on their own time. :lol:


Yeah, since I usually take the "chronological history of the genre" approach, I like to include most or all of Toho's kaiju flicks (Daiei comes later, except the Heisei Gamera flicks, which are often key to getting people really interested in the first place).
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Postby O.Supreme » Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:54 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I'd never show Destroy All Monsters so early.


Exactly, always good t save the best for last. 8-)
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:01 pm

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jellydonut25 wrote:I'd never show Destroy All Monsters so early.


Exactly, always good t save the best for last. 8-)

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Postby O.Supreme » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:13 pm

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

Anyway. I know crtitically DAM isn't the best (It is my personal favorite). But boring? I've never made it through GXM without falling asleep, that film I would think gets the definition of boring in any Godzilla Dictionary.


Overall... If I was exposing anyone new to Toho Sci-Fi films, I'd probably just go Evan's route and show them chronologically, that's how they (aside from box sets) are displayed on my DVD shelf.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 6:15 pm

Oh, GxM is a dreadful pile of garbage.

But I find DAM to be quite possibly the most boring Showa film.
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Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:23 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:But I find DAM to be quite possibly the most boring Showa film.


I can see that, although it seems like most fans would give the title to GRA.

O.Supreme wrote:Overall... If I was exposing anyone new to Toho Sci-Fi films, I'd probably just go Evan's route and show them chronologically, that's how they (aside from box sets) are displayed on my DVD shelf.


The only problem with that approach, of course, is you run the risk of turning them off early with some of the less-than-exciting pictures, like GRA and Varan. I almost always have to show folks a few select later ones to whet their appetites (the one major exception to this being the wife, who was gung-ho for the idea from the start, though it helps that she was already a huge fan of the original film).
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Postby Jorzilla » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:35 pm

I think it's important to point out that this list is not: "Show people your favorite Godzilla film."

You may love films like Hedorah, Megalon, Gigan, Son of Godzilla, etc., but showing them too early to a non-fan may very well convince them that Godzilla can't be anything but campy.
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Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:41 pm

Jorzilla wrote:I think it's important to point out that this list is not: "Show people your favorite Godzilla film."

You may love films like Hedorah, Megalon, Gigan, Son of Godzilla, etc., but showing them too early to a non-fan may very well convince them that Godzilla can't be anything but campy.


In my experience, Hedorah and - to a slightly lesser extent - Son of Godzilla have proved to be among the most effective for winning people over. I'm sure that's as much a reflection on the kinds of people I hang out with as it is on the movies themselves, of course. But nobody I've ever shown them to has mistaken them for camp, or even regarded them as kitsch.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:59 pm

I'd be afraid of showing Hedorah to someone, because of how much I personally dislike it.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:05 pm

Man, I've made Gigan a BUNCH of people's first Godzilla film. Because F*CK DA POLICE.
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Postby lhb412 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:08 pm

Mothra, then Mothra vs. Godzilla and go from there.

... if you think they'll appreciate stuff more on the lighter side. If you reckon the person would like something a bit more somber then go with Gojira.
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Postby eabaker » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:09 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:I'd be afraid of showing Hedorah to someone, because of how much I personally dislike it.


Because you find that the people you associate with tend to share your tastes, because you think that your opinion of it would color their responses, a bit of both, or some other reason altogether?
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Postby DannyBeane » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:14 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:Man, I've made Gigan a BUNCH of people's first Godzilla film. Because F*CK DA POLICE.
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