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Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:16 am

The announcement of the new comic got me thinking: "What kind of new foes will they come up with for Godzilla to battle?" and then I got to thinking "Just exactly how many foes have been come up with by someone who had LICENSE to do so that have never made it to an actual film? Basically just a retrospective on what the track record is on "original" creations (as we will see, some of these are not so original)

In order to not just have one HUGE post, I'm going to break it up by category:
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Red Ronin (Marvel)
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Yetrigar (Marvel)
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Batragon (Marvel)
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Centipor (Marvel)
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Ghilaron (Marvel)
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Lepirax (Marvel)
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The Beta-Beast (Marvel)
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Triax (Marvel)
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Rhiahn (Marvel)
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Krollar (Marvel)
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Robotic Devil Dinosaur (Marvel)
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Hero Zero (Dark Horse - though not created just for Godzilla)
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Bagorah (Dark Horse)
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The All-Terraintula (Dark Horse)
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The Lord Howe Monster (Dark Horse)
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Stranger/Visitor (Dark Horse)
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Burtannus (Dark Horse)
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Cybersaur (Dark Horse)
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Gekido-jin (Dark Horse)
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Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:20 am

The following monsters were ALL created for the Original Animated Series (aka the Godzilla Power Hour)

Fire Bird
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Earth Eater
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Stone Guardians
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Megavolt Monsters
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Seaweed Monster
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Energy Beast
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Atlantean Colossus
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The Horror (of Forgotten Island)
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Chimera
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Magnetic Monster
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Breeder Beast
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Great Watchuka
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Axor
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Moon Lode
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Golden Guardian
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I'm sure I'm missing some from this series, but it's hard to find images beyond what has been released on DVD...
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Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:51 am

The following were all original creations for Godzilla: The Animated Series (aka the GINO series)

Crestaceous Rex
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Nanotech Monsters
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El Gusano Gigante
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Cyberfly
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Cryptocleidus
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Crackler
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Giant Bees
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Nessie
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King Cobra
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Giant Bat
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Cyber-Zilla
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Chameleon
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Silver Hydra
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Norzzug
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the Fire Monster
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Megapede
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Giant Shrew
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Skeetera
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Dragma
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Giant Turtle
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Komodithrax
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Deep-Dweller
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Rhinosaurus
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Postby jellydonut25 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:05 am

The following were creations in the various Godzilla video games:

Super-Godzilla
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Bagan
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Balkzardan (Trading Card Battle)
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Barugaron (Trading Battle)
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Jyarumu (Trading Battle)
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Razin (Trading Battle)
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Shiigan (Trading Battle)
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Vagnosaurus (Trading Battle)
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MGR-II (Generations(
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SMG-II (Generations)
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Obsidius (Unleashed)
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Krystalaak (Unleashed)
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The Sphinx (Unleashed: Double Smash)
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i would have SWORN there were more monsters created for Unleashed.


ANYWHO - that's about all the kaiju I can come up with that never made to the silver screen

any favs? abominations?

personally, I actually REALLY REALLY like the El Gusano Gigante...and most of the monsters from the GINO Series.
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Postby DannyBeane » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:36 am

I really want to see either red rhonin or gekidojin in a godzilla movie. Preferably red rhonin though
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sat Oct 09, 2010 8:56 am

I've always dug the C-Rex and the Chameleon from GINO.
So I'd love to see one of those guys.
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Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:22 am

Is "none of the above" an option? They all pretty much suck or are rather forgettable.

There are only two who I think might be interesting:

Gekido-jin...not because I particularly like him, but I do recall that an amazing Godzilla script called Godzilla vs the Space Monsters featuring King Ghidorah, Gigan, and Megalon battling Godzilla, Angilas, and a ancient statue/diety named Maijin Tuol (The script was rejected in favor of what was eventually GvsGigan). Maijin Tuol was a statue on display at Science Land next to the Godzilla Tower. When Gigan tries to cut it open with his buzzsaw to insert Alien Miko, he bleeds, comes to life, and helps G and Angilas. Gekido-jin seems to be very similar to Maijin Tuol...

Razin also looks cool because he's so different from the standard, traditional bipedal foes we are use to seeing (in the same ilk as Dogora). In general, I think the Godzilla series as a whole lacks an opponent like a Razin or Dogora, which would be a totally different type of opponent for Godzilla to battle.

The worst on this list? Wow...that's like choosing between vomit and crap. For me, it's Bagan, simply for the reason that we had to put up with so many crappy, god awful fan fics focused on him throughout the 90s-early 2000s. God I hate him...just another uninspired bi-pedal design (looks like Baragon if he took HGH and steriods)...thankfully he never saw the light of day, and hopefully never will...
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Postby TerranigmaFreak » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:24 am

Never read the comics, but damn those monsters look terrible.
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Postby Legion » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:24 am

I can't be the only one who really doesn't care about any Godzilla opponent who wasn't actually in a film, can I?
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Postby ebirahsmeg1 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:50 am

Legion wrote:I can't be the only one who really doesn't care about any Godzilla opponent who wasn't actually in a film, can I?


Actually, I do think this thread serves one useful purpose...it provides a good summary on just how bad G comics are when they aren't allowed to use G's TOHO opponents. The new IDW comic should be a dramatic improvement over the junk enemies given to us by Marvel and Dark House (though DH's creations seem like Picasso paintings compared to Marvel's dreck)...
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Postby Henry88 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:19 pm

most of the monsters on this list are quite imaginative, good for for casual conversation. nice work jellydonut25 :th-up:
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Postby metal_bryan » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:05 pm

I love the Dark Horse comics, so I'm gonna have to go with the Stranger/Visitor (even though it has a heavy Bagan vibe-storywise) and Gekido-jin.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:22 pm

The cartoons had a lot of cool monsters.
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Postby lhb412 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:12 pm

Red Ronin is really cool. Just the idea of an American comic trying out its own anime inspired Super Robot in the '70s is... what word to use? retrotastic?

Almost all the GINO the Series monsters had wonderful designs. Really great work on those characters.
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Sat Oct 09, 2010 10:28 pm

ebirahsmeg1 wrote:Gekido-jin seems to be very similar to Maijin Tuol...


And they both seem to be very similar to Daimajin...
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Postby TerranigmaFreak » Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:07 am

ebirahsmeg1 wrote:
Legion wrote:I can't be the only one who really doesn't care about any Godzilla opponent who wasn't actually in a film, can I?


Actually, I do think this thread serves one useful purpose...it provides a good summary on just how bad G comics are when they aren't allowed to use G's TOHO opponents. The new IDW comic should be a dramatic improvement over the junk enemies given to us by Marvel and Dark House (though DH's creations seem like Picasso paintings compared to Marvel's dreck)...


Wait, the new IDW comics are allow to use the Toho monsters?
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Postby jellydonut25 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:37 pm

TerranigmaFreak wrote:
ebirahsmeg1 wrote:
Legion wrote:I can't be the only one who really doesn't care about any Godzilla opponent who wasn't actually in a film, can I?


Actually, I do think this thread serves one useful purpose...it provides a good summary on just how bad G comics are when they aren't allowed to use G's TOHO opponents. The new IDW comic should be a dramatic improvement over the junk enemies given to us by Marvel and Dark House (though DH's creations seem like Picasso paintings compared to Marvel's dreck)...


Wait, the new IDW comics are allow to use the Toho monsters?



well:
idwpublishing.com wrote:In addition to the King of the Monsters himself, the new comics from IDW Publishing and Toho Co., Ltd. will feature many of Godzilla's friends and foes, including MOTHRATM, KING GHIDORAHTM, RODANTM and more that have never before been featured in an American comic book series alongside Godzilla.


and there's others that have been confirmed too but i can't seem to find the "list"
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:48 pm

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Postby TitanoGoji16 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:16 am

The amount of "IF IT'S NOT A RUBBER SUIT FROM A TOHO MOVIE THEN IT'S THE WORST THING EVER!" in this thread saddens me. :?

jellydonut25 wrote:
idwpublishing.com wrote:In addition to the King of the Monsters himself, the new comics from IDW Publishing and Toho Co., Ltd. will feature many of Godzilla's friends and foes, including MOTHRATM, KING GHIDORAHTM, RODANTM and more that have never before been featured in an American comic book series alongside Godzilla.


and there's others that have been confirmed too but i can't seem to find the "list"


Oh man, that's awesome news! I've always loved Mothratm, King Ghidorahtm and Rodantm!

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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 1:23 pm

TitanoGoji16 wrote:The amount of "IF IT'S NOT A RUBBER SUIT FROM A TOHO MOVIE THEN IT'S THE WORST THING EVER!" in this thread saddens me. :?
well, i'll say that all the Marvel creations are terrible.
None of the Original Animated Series creations are anything special.
MOST of the video game stuff is garbage (my one exception would be the Trading Battle, there are a couple of neat designs there - balkzardan, razin, and vagnosaurus are at least different from the 'mold')

So for me, that leaves Dark Horse (who's sole contribution that I think is very original and actually cool in design is Burtannus) and the GINO Animated Series wherein i find a decent chunk of the monsters to be really cool.


personally, i think Toho has had their fair share of complete DUDS also:
Jet Jaguar
Battra
Moguera
Orga
Megaguirus

but at the end of the day, Toho hasn't had anything quite as Generations' MGR-II or as boring as any of Marvel's creations.
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Postby Arrow » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:03 pm

I've never really read the Dark Horse or Marvel Comics (though I've come close to looking into DH), but the DH designs are definitely better than the Marvel stuff. None of those Marvel monsters look like they'd fit anywhere else than the universe they were introduced in.

I don't care much for the general DH designs, but I quite like Cybersaur - even if he may be a Mechagodzilla knockoff. I wish that instead of "homages" to older Toho characters, Marvel and DH would've just spent more time creating more inventive creatures for Godzilla to fight. Not to mention that a lot of the Marvel artwork is just bad. DH Godzilla looks pretty cool though.

Hanna-Barbara's Godzilla... perhaps it's just the dated animation that H-B liked to use back then, but I honestly cannot say I care for any of those monsters. Godzilla: The Series on the other hand had some great designs. C-Rex, Komo, and others are monsters I wouldn't mind making a reappearance.
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Postby Mexigojira » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:07 pm

What about the Zone Figher Terror Beasts? Godzilla fought some of them, so it should count.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:33 pm

Mexigojira wrote:What about the Zone Figher Terror Beasts? Godzilla fought some of them, so it should count.
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Postby Gojiraknight » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:49 pm

I actually love all these "out-there" monsters. While it's no secret I want the movie to be relatively serious, I'd be excited for the comics to feature outlandish monsters. Cartoons and comics are a better medium for that stuff than film.
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Postby Xenorama » Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:42 am

Gojiraknight wrote:I actually love all these "out-there" monsters. While it's no secret I want the movie to be relatively serious, I'd be excited for the comics to feature outlandish monsters. Cartoons and comics are a better medium for that stuff than film.


I agree with the loving of the more out there monsters. that's what makes Japanese monsters so cool, they look SO wild. no mere animal here!
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