U.S. Versions of Godzilla Movies... Lost?

[Legion]

[walshiam]

[Legion]

[SeaHawk]

[ebirahsmeg1]

[walshiam]

[KaiserGhidorah]

There are wonderfully done widescreen reconstructions of these films with AIP dubs out there that do exist online but for obvious reasons, I cannot state where. Smog Monster and DAM are excellent and both have english credits and titles intact. Smoggie was just as I remember it as a child which thrilled me quite so and I'm glad to have it again.

I haven't seen one yet for SOG (which I'm hoping for) but the Sea Monster reconstruction was a bit iffy. Unfortunately, I do not count that one as a true reconstruction as the edits aren't the same as the version seen on tv and vhs from so many years ago. Also, there are parts of the film where it switches from the AIP dub to the International and back to the AIP dub again. It's quite funny actually to hear it play out this way.

As far as Godzilla 1985, I did manage to acquire the Monsters HD version which has minor differences from the vhs version I still have. There also exists an 'updated' version of the american hd version where subtitles are included which I believe the author did take some liberty with. The dialogue is mostly the same but some new stuff was added that wasn't there before.

As far as TOMG is concerned, I'm quite satisfied with the CM effort. I didn't care for the prologue but I enjoyed the uncut international version probably just as much as I did the edited version I grew up with. I did think about trying to find the edited version but haven't really invested the time in doing so.

[kpa]

[August]

[jellydonut25]

[August]

No, that's not correct — Keith didn't work on the project and neither did you — that wasn't the point. The point was, we were talking with UCLA, got all of the appropriate paperwork (which they had already given us a hard time with), and once that was all said and done, they told us we had to give them a hefty donation or we couldn't use the elements (which was never mentioned before). Cliff felt insulted by this, and I agreed, and he refused to pay what amounted to a form of extortion — but that didn't mean we couldn't afford it within the budget. They pulled a fast one on us, and we refused to kowtow to their bullsh*t. Period. Please don't read into it what isn't there, or imply things that have no validity to the truth. Thank you.

[Legion]

August, come on man. Don't act so insulted. Relax a little, my friend.

[August]

Thanks, Legion, but I don't need to relax and I'm not insulted; just setting the record straight. People imply things, interpret their own stories, and these get swept into the mainstream (especially by folks like Keith whose word is taken as Gospel by a lot of fans). At that point, it's hard to filter it out, so it needs to be nipped in the bud. That's all. No harm, no foul. But, people can't just *imagine* what happened and then believe that's the truth. Look how long it took to set the "two endings" for KING KONG VS. GODZILLA straight, and that myth is still floating out there. We have nothing to hide — why would anyone think that? — so it's not up to a third party's "interpretation". It's pretty straight-forward. UCLA put a proverbial gun to our heads, after pistol whipping us, and we told them, "FU"!

[jellydonut25]

It still SOUNDS to me like a certain thing was budgeted and then didn't come into the budget...I'm not implying any sort of cash shortage or anything...

it'd be like if I got a quote from U-Haul on a truck for $1,000 and then when I went to go make the reservation they said, "Actually, due to some issue we don't feel like explaining, it will be $10,000"

I had a quote and verbal agreement for $1,000 and they tried to extort me and I told them to piss-off...


and all of that can be summed up in the simple phrase, "outside the budget"

not trying to spread any rumors or anything...

[Flame of Udin]

[kpa]

Before we do that, Flame, I'd like to clear up a few things. What I posted in this thread regarding Shout! Factory and GAMMERA THE INVINCIBLE came directly from information Cliff Macmillan shared in a series of emails we exchanged early this year. Here's an exact quote, minus the dollar amounts since I don't think it's my place to make those figures public.

"UCLA does have a print, but they made me run around in circles getting all sorts of information and then told me it was going to cost XX to borrow the print. I just can't afford to spend that plus another XX to transfer the film."

[Gojiraknight]

[armandv]

[walshiam]

[godziwolf]

[Goji 84]

[August]

[Gojiraknight]

Two things I've noticed lately about this board...

1.) Heated arguments over what basically amounts to semantics are getting a tad out of hand.

2.) Everyone is an expert about the business while everyone else is naive, though none more so than me.

In summation, UCLA wanted more money than Shout! was willing to pay. Thus, Shout's Gamera DVD doesn't include Gammera the Invincible.

And that is coming from someone who had nothing to do with anything!

[Tyler E. Martin]

[GFan]