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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:28 am

The new characters in G3 are among the worst in any Gamera film, IMO. I hate them.
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Postby lhb412 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:35 am

^Everyone's quite unpleasant, aren't they? That differs pretty dramatically from the first two films, so I can only assume it's an intentional part of the whole "these are dark times and even Gamera has gone bad" feel/misdirect.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:32 am

The only characters I like in G3 are the folk from the first film.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:14 am

I am totally fine with all of the new characters. The two crazies could stand to have their motivations clarified some, yes, but I still like them and I LOVE Ayana.
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Postby MouthForWar » Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:09 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:I am totally fine with all of the new characters. The two crazies could stand to have their motivations clarified some, yes, but I still like them and I LOVE Ayana.


Ayana is the only one I like.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:51 pm

kiryugoji04 wrote:I am totally fine with all of the new characters. The two crazies could stand to have their motivations clarified some, yes, but I still like them and I LOVE Ayana.


I agree with Jared and disagree with Kyle!! :eek:
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:23 pm

You have taste for once! :P
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Postby lhb412 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:56 pm

I really like that kid's grandma. I wish she had a bigger part.
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Postby jellydonut25 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:54 am

lhb412 wrote:I really like that kid's grandma. I wish she had a bigger part.
see, that's my thing with this movie and one of the reasons why (though I've definitely come around quite a bit) I didn't even LIKE it the first time I saw it.
Here's this movie that's constantly touted as one of the best, if not the best, kaiju films of all time...and it's got all these (not really "all these" just maybe one or two) half-baked ideas and underdeveloped characters and relationships.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:14 am

Still my favorite. Every time I watch this trilogy, I keep getting so excited over each movie that I have to reconsider which is my favorite but then when we finally get to three, nope, still the king, baby. To be fair, it's my favorite partially BECAUSE the other two films precede it and it handles the continuity in some really cool ways. After the huge scope of the last movie, I really love how they refocused this one on a much more personal story, despite the apocalyptic things that still surround it. I think it's fantastic when these kinds of plots are at the forefront of kaiju films. The original Godzilla and Gamera the Brave both do it to great effect as well and it's something I'm looking to do for an upcoming film of my own that I'm developing (which the Toho Kingdom crowd will probably hate :lol: ). I also still have zero issues with this film's ambiguities. I think they make for fascinating puzzles, not unlike the many unanswered questions posed by Prometheus. I like that we're given a bunch of world building that we're left to our own devices to figure out. Sue me. XD

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Postby king_ghidorah » Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:11 pm

Count me in as another person that isn't bothered by the ambiguous nature of this film. I think it works well here (partly because there's no magic, exposition dropping ghost in this film). I know some people are also annoyed by the human characters in this film, and again, this really has never been a problem for me. The villains are supposed to be annoying and repulsive so when they finally get 'theirs,' it feels like a victory for the audience.

You do hit something on the head about this film that makes it one of my favorite movies of all time and that is the personal nature of the film. When I spoke about the characters in G2 being a little bit thin, it's because we have a film like this to compare it to. Simply, there's very few kaiju movies (Godzilla and GTB are great examples) where the human story is interlaced with the kaiju action so intimately.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:03 pm

I re-read last year's kaiju issue of Famous Monsters again today. The article "Tomo'o Haraguchi vs. Fuyuki Shinada" had some excellent insights about the creation of the kaiju designs throughout the Gamera trilogy. Essentially, Gamera and Gyaos' designs were forced upon Kaneko by the studio in GOTU. After achieving success with GOTU, the studio loosened up the reigns a little bit for G2. By, G3, Daei was pretty hands-off (though they did want a Gyaos redesign to sell more toys).

I knew most of this before, but one thing that I found interesting regarding Gamera's design in G3 was that it was supposed to be frightning so that the audience didn't bond with the monster as much, but instead, developed a connection with Ayana. I think this concept works a little bit with the addition of the amped up violence in the movie as well. To paraphrase, Gamera is supposed to be scary because we're supposed to harbor doubts about his herorism, making us side with Ayana, until the very end when we realize that Gamera is still every bit the hero that we know him to be (when he saves Ayana).
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:08 pm

Very cool. God, I love everything about these movies. :lol:
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:12 pm

I'm just stupified that they were able to put that much depth into a kaiju film.

It's a shame Toho interfered so much with GMK. I'd really like to see an unfiltered Kaneko Godzilla film, almost more so than the new US reboot. Kaneko nailed his takes on Gamera and Ultraman, it's just a shame that his favorite character didn't get the same treatment. (I also hold out hope that Neo Ultra Q will be somewhat of success enough to warrant a feature film...directed by Kaneko maybe? That guy loves his Ultra Q)
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:18 pm

It's really continuity done right. The depth of Gamera 3 wouldn't have worked nearly as well without the other two films to back it up. I would have loved to have seen them do something similar with the universe introduced in Gamera the Brave. Not plunge it into darkness the same way but to have used sequels to explore that reality the way Kaneko did with his. The father-son relationship would have been neat to see continue, Japan's reaction to Gamera, and perhaps a new take on his "friend of all children" role that was solidified by the end of that movie. Would be nice to get a series of Godzilla movies with a similar continuity one day (the Heisei continuity is tenuous and stupid, don't bring it up :P ). In the meantime, my favorite example of continuity in that series is Ghidrah the Three-Headed Monster, because of how it portrays the way everyone's kind of settled into the idea of monsters as an everyday occurrence. :lol:
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:21 pm

Agreed on all points.
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Postby heroforhirerob » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:50 pm

I like this film quite a bit. I find the cinematography to be quite good. Some of the images in this film are just plain beautiful to watch....
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:06 pm

heroforhirerob wrote:I like this film quite a bit. I find the cinematography to be quite good. Some of the images in this film are just plain beautiful to watch....


That's another thing these films have on the Heisei Godzilla series: great cinematography! :D
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Postby Gohi » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:17 pm

The scene where Gamera fights the Gyaos is freaking jaw-dropping and has now become one of my favorite scenes in anything ever. My jaw hit the floor and I was completely shocked and, to be honest, kinda scared at the carnage and chaos. It really showed that Gamera had changed since the last film.
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Postby Gwangi » Tue Aug 13, 2013 6:49 pm

Saw the blu-ray the other day, and it had been a while since I last viewed this movie. Probably enjoyed it more this time around than I had in the past. However, I still think it is the least of the three.

Great action. Great looking monsters. Spectacular effects. And it was good to see some of the characters from the first movie return for this one. Yet, with all of that, it was still too much mysticism for me to handle. And the Shin'ya Kurata character, for me, really didn’t serve any interest other than just being weird (and a dull weird at that). Iris was an interesting looking monster, but I would have preferred this movie to be about the Gyaos instead. Much more interesting angle there (but I guess they didn’t want another 95 film on their hands).

In the end though, this film was still better than any of the Godzilla beam war movies of the 1990s (with Biollante being that one exception).
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Re: Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris Talkback

Postby jellydonut25 » Sun May 11, 2014 1:55 am

This movie has a legion (pun intended) of problems. I know this isn't "Advent of Legion" but one of the biggest problems this film has is the specter of a far greater film hanging over it, making every misstep look all the worse because the previous film had set this one up so well, and it failed to deliver and live up to G2 (or even GOTU, but that doesn't work for my pun).

Why does Gamera decide to shoot off his own hand instead of Iris's?
Why make Gamera so ruthless and violent if they aren't going to give us a REASON why he turns it around and suddenly nobody is afraid of him running amok anymore?
Why bring all the Mana stuff into this if there's absolutely no resolution to it?
Why bother with all this "guardian of the Ryuseicho" stuff if Gamera just takes care of it all anyway?
What the hell is the crazy chick talking about with like 95% of her lines?
Why couldn't they kill off the crazy chick and video game guy earlier so that the worst part of the movie could be over and done with?
Why bother with all the jewels stuff? There's really no payoff to this either.

This film only really wins me over through its effects and Asagi and Nagamine. It's the third best film in this series, and that only stands out MORE when you watch all three within 24 hours. Yeah, it's got better effects, but it doesn't hang together as a MOVIE and a STORY anywhere near as well as either of the first two.
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Re: Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris Talkback

Postby XvGojira » Sun May 11, 2014 2:55 am

jellydonut25 wrote: Yeah, it's got better effects, but it doesn't hang together as a MOVIE and a STORY anywhere near as well as either of the first two.


GotU and G2 are like Metal Gear Solid and G3 is Sons of Liberty, looks and plays sooo much better but the story goes off off the rails by the end.
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Re: Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris Talkback

Postby Gman2887 » Mon May 12, 2014 2:16 pm

jellydonut25 wrote:This movie has a legion (pun intended) of problems. I know this isn't "Advent of Legion" but one of the biggest problems this film has is the specter of a far greater film hanging over it, making every misstep look all the worse because the previous film had set this one up so well, and it failed to deliver and live up to G2 (or even GOTU, but that doesn't work for my pun).

Why does Gamera decide to shoot off his own hand instead of Iris's?
Why make Gamera so ruthless and violent if they aren't going to give us a REASON why he turns it around and suddenly nobody is afraid of him running amok anymore?
Why bring all the Mana stuff into this if there's absolutely no resolution to it?
Why bother with all this "guardian of the Ryuseicho" stuff if Gamera just takes care of it all anyway?
What the hell is the crazy chick talking about with like 95% of her lines?
Why couldn't they kill off the crazy chick and video game guy earlier so that the worst part of the movie could be over and done with?
Why bother with all the jewels stuff? There's really no payoff to this either.

This film only really wins me over through its effects and Asagi and Nagamine. It's the third best film in this series, and that only stands out MORE when you watch all three within 24 hours. Yeah, it's got better effects, but it doesn't hang together as a MOVIE and a STORY anywhere near as well as either of the first two.


I think a lot of this is either picking at the wrong stuff or minor gripes that really don't hurt the story at all. I also don't agree it's the third best in the series by any minor or major stretch of the imagination.

Why does Gamera decide to shoot off his own hand instead of Iris's? This smacks of nitpicking, but okay. Gamera didn't want to harm Irys in fear of hurting Ayana. I think blowing off his own hand instead of Irys's reinforces that.
Why make Gamera so ruthless and violent if they aren't going to give us a REASON why he turns it around and suddenly nobody is afraid of him running amok anymore? This comes down to who and why, though. Nobody's afraid of him? Kyoto doesn't know what he did in the train station. And the only reason the military switched their plan of attack was because of the Gyaos horde. Nagamine and especially Asagi weren't afraid of him to begin with. Seems to me the world didn't change their mind about Gamera, it's just the core characters stuck with him in the end. It's also one of those looming mysteries that make this film so tasty: The theories about whether or not Gamera bonded with Ayana at the end as he did with Asagi. Or a connection being made without the use of the mystical punctuations...etc... I think the answer is there, but it's not spelled out. Nor was it intended to be.
Why bring the mana stuff into it if there's absolutely no resolution? I'm not sure what you're getting at there. The mana stuff practically reversed the problematic deus ex machina moments from the prior two films and explained why so many Gyaos had risen by the film's end. Gamera's plasma fist seemed to be the cause of it. Or perhaps he used it to bring Ayana back? It seems to be loosely implied he had something to do with her recovery and if that's the case he used mana to do it.
Why bother with all this "guardian of the Ryuseicho" stuff if Gamera just takes care of it all anyway? Why bother with the Odo Island rituals if Godzilla's just going to attack anyway? The legends revolving around Gamera and Irys seem are loose, vague explanations-- perhaps even symbolic. The reason I love it so much is because of how loose it is and can be taken.
What the hell is the crazy chick talking about with like 95% of her lines? I'm not going through every one of her lines. You're on your own.
Why couldn't they kill off the crazy chick and video game guy earlier so that the worst part of the movie could be over and done with? I don't hate these characters like others seem to here, but I would think the build up to their deaths would make it more satisfying once it happened...
Why bother with all the jewels stuff? There's really no payoff to this either. Again, I'm not entirely sure what you mean here either. Do you mean the fact they're shown or explained early in the movie? I think making sure the movie stands somewhat on its own and letting the audience know Gamera can no longer form a connection with humanity through those jewels is important. I actually saw this movie before Gamera 2 and found that scene very helpful in understanding why Gamera was more violent. It also sets up the moment at the end presuming Gamera might have reconnected with humanity without using the jewels.

If anything it's the best of the trilogy. The story works fine and there's a lot more to think about here than most kaiju films. The fact that it keeps me on my toes with each viewing is something I love about it. And it's a mighty nice change from Gamera 2's bland characters and overly long, boring battles.
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Re: Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris Talkback

Postby DannyBeane » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:43 pm

The one regret I have on t his film is that I would have liked to have seen some sweet iris on gyaos action.
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Re: Gamera 3: Revenge of Iris Talkback

Postby lhb412 » Wed May 04, 2016 7:08 pm

Looking at jelly's complaints, and I mostly disagree: I think the plot and characters in G3 tend to hold up and hold together family well (although some plot points may warrant further clarification), it's just that for me the story and characters aren't quite as enjoyable as the ones in the other two films. I don't mean to badmouth it, as I do like the movie. G3 is a masterwork of traditional effects kaiju movie making that may never be surpassed in terms of realism as well as a smart trilogy ender that connects the themes from the previous films, takes things to an interesting climax, and then leaves the whole thing open ended in a way I find pretty cool.

Part of it may just be personal preferences: G1 and G2 lean heavily on classic genre tropes that I adore, while G3 leans on a lot of then-modern Japanese trends like anime and J-horror. Nothing against those things, it's just my loyalties are more earned by the former.
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