Super Monster Gamera Talkback

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Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:03 pm

The Basics: A clip show of the previous Gamera films spliced together with the opening scene from Star Wars, various animes, and a film about a trio of groovy, superhero space women fighting another space woman...but this one's evil :eek:

The Plot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamera:_Super_Monster

The Kaiju:

Gamera:

He's pretty much just a flying prop in this movie and it's a pretty bad prop at that.

And he's the only kaiju in this film that comes from original footage so I'm not going to mention the others here outside of a brief line up:

Zigra
Barugon
Gyaos
Viras
Jiger


So...all of the Showa Gamera monsters are here...this should be Daei's version of DAM right? Wrong!

The Acting:
It's there...people do things...occasionally while saying lines of dialogue..


The SPFX:
Pretty craptacular I'm not going to lie


The Other Stuff:
-I was surprised to find that I don't hate this film as much as I mildly loathe it...some good stuff here, none of it involving kaiju really except

-I guess I can give some lethargic props to the fact that the kaiju footage here is edited in a very tight manner that leaves out everything but the highlights of these kaiju fights

-Ok, the Space Women are just plain dorky...they make me think of Reading Rainbow/The Magical School Bus...basically they're something you'd see on PBS

-God those anime scenes suck monkey balls...if those monkey balls were full of LSD

-So this finishes up the Showa series proper...I'm in a minority here but I'd rather watch most of these films than any Godzilla film...yep, I said it. The Showa Gamera films are more fun than most Godzilla movies, the Hesei Gamera films are better made. Gamera the Brave is a solid mix of the two.

-I'm going to try really hard not to watch this film ever again

-Ok, I changed my mind...I DO hate this film...but not as much as I hate Final Wars or Megaguirus..
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Re: Super Monster Gamera

Postby gila-monster » Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:53 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:-God those anime scenes suck monkey balls...if those monkey balls were full of LSD

What anime scenes? Do you mean the shots of Space Battleship Yamato and Galaxy Express 999? Those are classic Japanese animated shows from the 70's, pretty far from "monkey balls" as you can get for that era.
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Re: Super Monster Gamera

Postby king_ghidorah » Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:00 pm

gila-monster wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote:-God those anime scenes suck monkey balls...if those monkey balls were full of LSD

What anime scenes? Do you mean the shots of Space Battleship Yamato and Galaxy Express 999? Those are classic Japanese animated shows from the 70's, pretty far from "monkey balls" as you can get for that era.


Not the scenes themeselves but their batsh*t insane inclusion into this film. Stop being so defensive, I was not attacking either anime...
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Postby The Real McCoy » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:06 pm

This film definitely isn't for everyone. It was my first Gamera movie. I love it, but it is a really bad movie by most standards.
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Postby EricDent » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:36 pm

I am really surprised that Lucas never did anything about the very obvious "Star Destroyer" in this movie.

It was really odd that the kid could play the organ that well.

The whole super-girls thing was uber cheesy as heck, and maybe it was just me, but they did not look very good in those outfits. They looked better in their normal clothes.

The anime scenes were rather random, but I suppose they were trying to promote those 2 shows (which were on the air about that time).
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Postby The Real McCoy » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:31 pm

I wonder if there's anyone out there that actually enjoys this film as much as I do.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:39 pm

The Real McCoy wrote:I wonder if there's anyone out there that actually enjoys this film as much as I do.


If you enjoy this film then you are probably the only one :wink:

I guess the real question is, does anyone out there despise this film as much as I do?? lol
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Postby The Real McCoy » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:50 pm

That's probably not a valid question; more like a fact.

Just to clarify, when I say that about this movie, it's not to be a jerk to someone who doesn't like it. I save those remarks for the Godzilla's Revenge and Megalon haters. This really is a horrible movie any way you look at it. I just really like it. And it's hard sometimes; because when I want to discuss it, I'm a severe minority in regards to my opinion of it.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:53 pm

Fair enough man. I have a real hard time disliking any Showa era Gamera film truth be told
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Postby The Real McCoy » Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:59 pm

Well, it's a whole lot easier to dislike this one than most of them.

I wish that I could find a stable argument in this movie's favor. I'll let everyone know when that happens (it'll be a while).
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:25 am

The Real McCoy wrote:I wish that I could find a stable argument in this movie's favor. I'll let everyone know when that happens (it'll be a while).


How about the score? It's hard to go wrong with Shunsuke Kikuchi. That was the only thing about the movie I can honestly say I liked.
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Postby ryuuseipro » Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:25 am

Tyler E. Martin wrote:
The Real McCoy wrote:I wish that I could find a stable argument in this movie's favor. I'll let everyone know when that happens (it'll be a while).


How about the score? It's hard to go wrong with Shunsuke Kikuchi. That was the only thing about the movie I can honestly say I liked.


His score for this film was very good! It's right in the same range as his Super Robot stuff from the late 70s. It reminds me of his soundtrack for Great Sky Demon Dragon Gaiking (Toei; 1976)!
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Postby The Real McCoy » Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:49 am

The score was one of the better points of the movie, that's for sure. I don't know; I just found myself getting into the human story a lot. It was ridiculous, but not too far away from the other films in the series.
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:11 am

This was the only Gamera movie of the Showa series that I was seeing for the very first time when I watched it recently,

Super Monster Gamera really doesn't feel like a sequel to the seven films that came before it. The mega-cheap production values, the narrower aspect ratio, the video-generated titles, and the lack of any attempt to maintain continuity with the prior entries all make this feel more like a made-for-TV spinoff of the Gamera series than a film unto itself. The story here really seems to imply that Keiichi regards Gamera as the fictional hero he is and that Gamera appears for the first time in this world after growing from the turtle that Keiichi released into the wild. The stock footage monsters are all presented as though they originated from the alien Zanon's home planet, rather than being revived versions of the monsters in the earlier films. All of that makes me think this wasn't meant to be Gamera 8 but a patchwork one-off a la Kung Pow: Enter the Fist.

I have to give the crew props for editing the stock footage so attentively. I noticed a few brief new close-ups of Gamera that were tossed into the battle with Jiger for some reason. I think it's cool that they mixed up the monster lineup instead of going chronologically. Gyaos, Zigra, Viras, Jiger, Guiron, Barugon. Shunsuke Kikuchi's original score works well with the editing.

But this movie is pretty painful to watch. There's a surprising amount of time devoted to the aliens vs. aliens shell of a plot. It's just bad, and not in a fun way. The ripoffs of Star Wars and Superman: The Movie are stunningly shameless. It's neat to see how they edited the monster battles here but I'd rather watch any of the films they originated from, even the ones I didn't care for.


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This is Gamera's darkest hour. He killed himself at the end just to get away.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:23 am

Lol!!! So true!
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Postby Dr Kain » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:36 pm

So Saturday was the first time I had ever seen this movie. Hell, I never even heard of it until the DVDs came out. I do not know what to say about this movie other than it is crap. It makes Viras look good. We have a 90 minute movie that throws in nearly 30 minutes of stock footage, if not more than that, with Space Women and a boy. Not only was that whole thing creepy, but it was boring. And then the effects for Gamera is horrific. I do not even recall them showing his full body once that was not stock footage. And he suicides himself against a Star Destroyer. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. He manages to survive Barugon's ice tongue, Gyaos' bone splicing laser beams, Viras' tentacle porn, Guiron make dinner out of him, Jiger's baby, and Zigra's sharkiness to die by a space ship. :roll: I may not like some of the other Gamera movies, I may nitpick on them, but this movie had no redeeming qualities in it at all. Whomever at Daiei thought this movie was a great idea is an idiot.
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Postby The Real McCoy » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:51 am

You guys are just being cranky. :lol:
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:32 am

Gamera Super Monster has sapped my very will to live. I don't care. I just don't care anymore.

Kill me.

Please.
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Postby MekaGojira3k » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:10 am

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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:44 am

I wanted to add a picture of the Brundlefly holding the shotgun to its head but I couldn't find that on Google. :(
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:42 am

I feel your pain man. It IS that bad of a film.
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:46 am

I was actually entertained on a trainwreck sort of level for about twenty minutes or so. After that I very quickly descended into the depths of despair.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:52 am

I actually don't even count it as part of the Gamera series really. That's pretty bad revisionist history on my part, but I just can't stand this film lol
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Postby Benjamin Haines » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:56 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:I actually don't even count it as part of the Gamera series really. That's pretty bad revisionist history on my part, but I just can't stand this film lol


I don't think it was meant to be a sequel. It feels much more like a one-off.

When I was a little kid in Texas I was really into Barney the dinosaur. My parents took my brothers and I to some event at our local shopping mall where they played some kind of Barney special on a big screen with a crowd full of kids. I barely remember it, but while there was new footage of Barney talking to the camera and what not, it was all interspersed between clips from preexisting episodes of the show, and I'm sure continuity wasn't even on the creators' minds.

Super Monster Gamera feels like that kind of a special to me.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:02 pm

Yeah that's how it always felt to me too, which is why I have no problem not counting it as an actual Gamera film. I'm baffled why some people think Zigra is worse than this film. Even accounting for personal taste, I have no idea how to explain that.
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