Gamera vs. Zigra Talkback

Spinning flame-jetted turtles, space birds being chopped up like bologna, kids in shorts screaming for help...the original Gamera series was a strange mix of wacky fun!! The 90's Gamera films set a standard that other kaiju films are measured against! Discuss Gamera films here!!

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Postby king_ghidorah » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:03 pm

You're a fan of toku stuff and you're complaining that vintage movies don't have superb effects :?
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Postby Tyler E. Martin » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:54 pm

king_ghidorah wrote:You're a fan of toku stuff and you're complaining that vintage movies don't have superb effects :?


He is also Dr. Kain.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:11 pm

Yes, I feel like I could write a Master's Thesis on the insanity that is Kain at this point :D
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:28 am

king_ghidorah wrote:You're a fan of toku stuff and you're complaining that vintage movies don't have superb effects :?


Uh, the effects in a lot of the later-day Showa Gamera films are really clumsy compared to many of their contemporaries. Hell, I would go so far as to say say the FX-work of your average 70s Ultraman episode - while more rough-hewn - is more exciting, interesting, and inventive than what's seen in something like Viras, Guiron, or Zigra.
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Postby MouthForWar » Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:29 am

Yeah, I really think that after the first two films, the SPFX in the Gamera movies took a MAJOR nosedive. Everything just looks so much... cheaper. Its part of their charm, certainly, but the effects in these were never up to par with Tsuburaya's effects in the mid-60s.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:37 am

Ok, ok...I was just giving Kain a lil bit of crap, but it turns out contrary to everything we thought we knew about the established universe, that I'm wrong. My apologies to Kain. There IS a deffinite scale, even in the 60's, of good effects. The later Gamera films are on the "not so good" end of the spectrum..

I was trying to say that effects work shouldn't stop you from liking something. Kikaider has so-so effects but I love the crap out of that show!
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Postby Dr Kain » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:40 am

king_ghidorah wrote:Ok, ok...I was just giving Kain a lil bit of crap, but it turns out contrary to everything we thought we knew about the established universe, that I'm wrong. My apologies to Kain. There IS a deffinite scale, even in the 60's, of good effects. The later Gamera films are on the "not so good" end of the spectrum..

I was trying to say that effects work shouldn't stop you from liking something. Kikaider has so-so effects but I love the crap out of that show!


Oh no, the effects do not bother me one bit, its just that compared to the earlier movies, and even Jiger, the effects in this movie are extremely poor.
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Postby king_ghidorah » Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:49 am

Dr Kain wrote:
king_ghidorah wrote:Ok, ok...I was just giving Kain a lil bit of crap, but it turns out contrary to everything we thought we knew about the established universe, that I'm wrong. My apologies to Kain. There IS a deffinite scale, even in the 60's, of good effects. The later Gamera films are on the "not so good" end of the spectrum..

I was trying to say that effects work shouldn't stop you from liking something. Kikaider has so-so effects but I love the crap out of that show!


Oh no, the effects do not bother me one bit, its just that compared to the earlier movies, and even Jiger, the effects in this movie are extremely poor.


Ok, word to all of our mothers then :)
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Postby kiryugoji04 » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:32 pm

MouthForWar wrote:Yeah, I really think that after the first two films, the SPFX in the Gamera movies took a MAJOR nosedive. Everything just looks so much... cheaper. Its part of their charm, certainly, but the effects in these were never up to par with Tsuburaya's effects in the mid-60s.


Most of Gyaos and a great deal of Jiger manage to rise above that handicap though, IMO.
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Re: Gamera vs. Zigra Talkback

Postby jellydonut25 » Wed May 21, 2014 1:13 am

Gamera is really neat, He is filled with turtle meat....and it's killing me to attempt to watch all of his older films as back-to-back-to back as I've been to make sure these blu-rays work. My sense of irony can go on for a solid 90 minutes...but day after day after day? I swear, I'm beginning to forget what real movies even look like.

Zigra's marginally cool in appearance I guess but I dunno. I guess I liked it better than Viras? Who knows...

It's kinda like:
Guiron
Barugon
Gyaos
Jiger

Giant Monster Gamera, Viras, and Zigra on an equal plane of suck

Up next (tomorrow?) Super Monster. Which I've NEVER seen and will probably just sleep during.
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Re: Gamera vs. Zigra Talkback

Postby Rodan » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:49 am

This is probably my least favorite Japanese giant monster movie. Wikipedia (in an article that's almost as bad as the film) lists its runtime as 87 minutes. It feels like it's 100 hours long. I was on a bit of a Gamera info kick recently and finally watched the August Ragone Shout Factory! segments on YouTube, so I now have a better understanding of why this movie wound up the way it did, but ... yikes.

The kindest thing I can say about it is that Shunsuke Kikuchi did the score.
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Re: Gamera vs. Zigra Talkback

Postby lhb412 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:44 pm

Rodan wrote:I was on a bit of a Gamera info kick recently and finally watched the August Ragone Shout Factory! segments on YouTube, so I now have a better understanding of why this movie wound up the way it did, but ... yikes.


Man, I know: so much of the perplexing stuff about this movie makes sense when you realize it was essentially made guerrilla-style by a skeleton crew as the studio was imploding. This is one of those cases of how a movie about the making of the movie would be more interesting than the movie itself.
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