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Monster Zero x SciFi Japan - Archive Only • Gamera vs. Viras Talkback
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Gamera vs. Viras Talkback

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:34 pm
by king_ghidorah
The Basics: Aliens plot to invade the Earth (Why? Because they are EVIL and that's what aliens do!) Masao and his young gajin friend Jim end up getting trapped in an alien ship and it's up to Gamera to save them! Meanwhile, the aliens probe Gamera's memory banks looking for weaknesses to stop the giant turtle resulting in a seemingly endless amount of stock footage...

The Plot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamera_vs._Viras


The Kaiju:

Gamera: He's pretty much unchanged since the last film.

Viras: An interesting kaiju, but I wouldn't call him one of my favorites. I do think he's better executed here than Gezora years later.


The Acting: Nothing special. The children of this film are less annoying than in Zigra, but not as fun as the ones in Guiron.

The SPFX: I love the spaceship in this film as well as the creepy, glowing eyes of the aliens. There aren't really any minatures worth pointing out.

The Other Stuff:

-I have a few editions of this film, Shouts! is easily the best but the semi legal one with the commentary by Carl Craig is pretty cool too. It's from that commentary that I learned one of the head aliens is also the same guy inside the Daimajin suit. That's a pretty cool bit of trivia there :D

-Gamera's thoughts...a great way to show past battles but it's execution is sloppy. It goes on for far too long and it's jarring to see the switch from color to the black and white footage of the original film

-This film was supposedly Noriaki's favorite Gamera film even though most fans hate it

-Overall, I like this film. It could have been a lot better had it not been for the abundance of stock footage...oh well, as is, it's still better than Zigra and miles better than Supermonster

Edit* I'd also like to say that I think this film could have been better than Gyoas had it not been hampered by the crazy amount of stock footage. I was actually engaged in the human plot of the children while they were in the spaceship...I cared more about the humans in this film than I did in Gyaos.

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:36 pm
by kiryugoji04
.............. where's Gamera Vs Gyaos?

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:49 pm
by king_ghidorah

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:15 pm
by heroforhirerob

PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2011 9:23 pm
by ryuuseipro

yes

PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2011 3:15 am
by Xenorama

PostPosted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:44 pm
by MekaGojira3k
This movie is actually kind of fine until STOCK FOOTAGE: THE MOVIE, cuts in. I'm not pleased with the more obvious "THESE KIDS ARE GONNA BE A BIG PART OF THIS" tone the movies post Gyaos embrace, but there's some neat stuff in here. In fact, the Viras spaceship is one of the coolest spaceships in ALL the history of scifi films. It'd definitely be in my top 10.
I love the weird alien/human things in the spaceship. I also love the opening with Gamera truly being a proactive defender of Earth. Viras himself isn't really a favorite design of mine.

The film is okay, but it loses me early on, and does little to get me back on board.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:45 pm
by MouthForWar

PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:50 pm
by Legion

PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 2:43 am
by ryuuseipro
This is my personal favorite Gamera movie. The first of the more cheery adventures we've come to know and love (depending on the viewer's point of view), considering the dark tone of all previous films! It's a great introduction to Gamera (for those who haven't seen the previous movies), and the climactic fight is insanely wild.

I also had the pleasure of meeting Carl Craig (who played boy scout Jim Morgan, the first Caucasian kid in a Gamera film) at Asian Fantasy Film Expo 2002. My family and I had great fun listening to his commentary while watching the film! He was a really down-to-earth guy with a great sense of humor. I also got an autograph from him.

And Viras is one of my favorite Gamera foes of all time (along with Gyaos and Guillon)! BTW, did anyone notice that Viras has a face just like a beaked version of Balok from Star Trek? :)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:18 pm
by The Real McCoy
The ten+ clip of stock footage in the movie was about the only thing that bothered me about this film. Unlike the two previous versus films, Gamera has more screen time. Plus, the humans are kind of fun, and the kids aren't nearly as annoying as they would be in later entries. Probably third or fourth on my favorite Gamera movie list.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:25 am
by kiryugoji04
Didn't I already post somewhere that I think Yuasa was the worst director the Gamera series had? I can't find the post but I think I did.

Anyway, yeah. This movie solidified that opinion for me. On the bright side, this was the first film where the "Friend of All Children" aspect felt natural and not incredibly forced as in Gamera and Gyaos (UGH, YUASA, STOP THAT) and the race between Gamera and the sub was delightful! Then the stock footage hit and BAM, I came THIS CLOSE to going unconscious. I realize the budget was slashed and all but Godzilla's Revenge is on of my favorite Toho films! And GIGAN IS MY FAVORITE FILM OF ALL TIME, so stock footage in and of itself does not bother me necessarily. Yuasa, however, doesn't know how to use stock footage well and all and his lifting scenes whole from previous films with little to no effort to integrate them into the film in an interesting way just kills it for me. I think this film would've been helped IMMENSELY if it had gone the Godzilla Vs. the Sea Monster/Son of Godzilla island film route instead of insisting on city destruction that it could never deliver.

I think all future viewings of this film by me will end once the aliens show up to capture Gamera. The 20 minutes up to that point come pretty close to making a nice, standalone little short film anyway.

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 2:39 am
by Benjamin Haines
I didn't like this one at all when I first saw it. Several years later, and with a quality presentation, that hasn't changed. Though not without its fun moments here and there, this movie for the most part is just dull. To me, these are the most annoying kids of the first seven movies. The part where they volunteer to sacrifice themselves for the world and the way Jim's parents react is hilariously melodramatic, and the decision by the United Nations to sacrifice all of humanity to save two boys is just ludicrous. The way the kids instantly know exactly which parts of the spaceship to switch around in order to foil the aliens is a real eye-roller. Just because a movie is made for kids doesn't mean the story needs to be dumbed down.

This has to be one of the worst applications of stock footage in any kaiju film. The 10+ minute flashback to Gamera, Barugon and Gyaos when the aliens are scanning Gamera's brain was bad enough, but then later we see stock footage from THOSE SAME MOVIES passed off as "present" footage of Gamera rampaging under alien control. The use of barely tinted black-and-white scenes from the original film amid the vividly colored new footage makes the day-for-night stock footage in Godzilla vs. Gigan look good. Having aliens blackmail Gamera into rampaging is a cool story idea, but it's wasted on a production as cheap as this.

The aliens here are actually pretty creepy, with the way their eyes glow in silhouette and the otherworldly manner in which they float down the corridors of the spaceship. The notion of the Viras monster in the cage seeming like an imprisoned animal but turning out to be the alien commander is an interesting twist, but it's undermined by a scene that makes no sense in context. When the kids rush in and tell the aliens that the monster has escaped, they all rush off to tend to the situation. Why would that even concern them if the monster is their boss and has the power to release itself at will? There's no internal logic there. The scene where he beheads all of his minions is awesome.

Viras is a creative, cool-looking monster and his fight with Gamera is well done. The part where Viras impales him multiple times and leaves a gigantic hole in his stomach looks like it should have killed him, but he ends up carrying Viras through the air and defeating him while still impaled. The monsters in Gamera films seem to all die in really morbid ways, and usually onscreen. I approve.

The ending with the kids is funny as hell. "Oh, your shenanigans ended up saving the world, and we're so thankful that you're still alive after being held hostage by aliens, but you still caused some mischief back at the beginning of the movie, so you don't get any dinner tonight."

This is a bad movie, and aside from a handful of memorable moments, it's boring to watch. A total dud.


:th-dn:


The subtitles on the Shout! DVD are a mess. I noticed a few instances where they mistakenly pasted the movie's time code as part of the lines (actually about 20 seconds off).

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:07 pm
by king_ghidorah

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:13 pm
by Dr Kain

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:46 pm
by king_ghidorah
I watched this again last night...I really have no idea what's going on with the "boss" Viras being locked in a cage and seemingly being held prisoner. WTF

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:25 pm
by heroforhirerob

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 7:39 pm
by king_ghidorah

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:49 pm
by Dr Kain
I think the bit for that that does not work for me is when the kids yell something like, "Help, the monster in the cage got out." You would think they would know that is not really a monster, and that there was no point in running to that room.

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:51 pm
by king_ghidorah
There's just nothing about that scene that makes sense honestly..

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:28 am
by kiryugoji04
The publicity still of the KIDS being in the cage, menaced by the Viras aliens and with their scout leader trying to save them is probably more interesting than the entirety of the final film, sans Gamera racing with the mini-sub.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:42 pm
by The Real McCoy
Hadn't seen this one in a while, so I gave it a watch last night. I'm not going to go into a big review, but I'll just say that I still enjoy this movie as much as I ever did before. Sure, everything about it is dumb, but it's just too much fun for me to hate it.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:20 am
by MekaGojira3k

PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:03 pm
by lhb412
If you disregard all the stock footage then this is a fairly short, almost unsubstantial but otherwise enjoyable kids monster movie.

When you regard the stock footage: this is the worst integration of stock footage since The Robot vs. The Aztec Mummy and it really kills it.

Re: Gamera vs. Viras Talkback

PostPosted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:41 am
by Gwangi
First Gamera movie I ever say way back when in the 1970s on KTLA Channel 5. Ultimately, this is my favorite of all Gamera films. Stock footage never bothered me. I would only see those other movies several years later (and Gamera vs. Barugon just once!).

The Viras spaceship is my all time favorite alien spacecraft in any movie (and that includes the Star Wars films).

Viras was a cool looking monster, the two boys were quite likeable and just thought it was neat for them having the freedom to explore the whole spaceship.

Of course, to me it will always be known as "Destroy All Planets".